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Have any of you guy looked at his scores and recognised something?
Well let's have a look. He only has a score of three in three categories. Guess what catagories they are? Yes one's that are effected as you get older. Some people state that there is no such thing as prime Hiruzen. Well let's look at Naruto's stats.
We can speculate he would have around the same stamina as Naruto in his prime probably more because Naruto is still not in his prime at all yet.
Again let's look at speed, he is still only slightly lower than naruto by 0.5 of a point. Althoug Hiruzen may be closer to 2.5 than 3.0. Anyway Naruto can be pretty fast.
Now let's look at orochimaru, he has exactly the same stats as old Hiruzen, they're nearly the exact same. Orochimaru is extremely strong and known as a prodigy and he is in his prime/possibly exiting it and here we have Hiruzen in his old age with nearly the same stats. Now we have to speculate, although you will all say that I can't do that, well guess what I can. Hiruzen would be quite exceptionally powerful.
Now what I want to look at is could he have been able to defeat Madara or Hashirama? Well let's see.
If I remember correctly when Madara edo put Ay into a genjutsu, Onoki released him really quicky.
Hiruzen was said to be the strongest out of the five kages, the includes Onoki since he was ruling during Hiruzen's reign.
Now let's look at the battle between Hiruzen and the first and second hokages.
First of all what happens is Hiruzen build up chakra, now what happens when he does this? Will the pressure in the air increased which cause tiles to begin to rise. Now we have seen this before. Yes, Hashirama does this when he is revived, although he doesn't have to build up chakra because he is nearly/virtually at full power anyway, while Hiruzen would be probably be about 35-40% of his prime power.
Now we see that his summon said he was pathetic as well, considering he found enma's staff form to weigh a lot heavier.
Now let's look at a very recent chapter. Hiruzen was able to use all the 5 basic elements at a very high, large and powerful level. We can barely see him in the scan. What else is impressive is that he used five clones, which would only allow him to use only a fifth of his already low chakra reserves.
Now if he has only 40% of his prime chakra reserves to work with due to old age and edo only allows you to use what reseverves you have but you can use any technique that doesn't require more what the user has, then that means these jutsu's used can and would be at least five times as powerful in a single body at old age and then two time more powerful than that at least when he was in his prime. That means that Hiruzens fire jutsu's would absolutely dwarf that of madara's and obito's when they were standing side by side.
Now because of this Hiruzen would be able to release himself from genjutsu, have incredible speed a lot faster than 4 tails naruto would orochimaru was able to fight while in his prime(without arms) have incredible strength enough to lift enma easily and use the staff as profeciently as Sasuke with his katana and his wide range/large chakra reserves would make him be more than enough for EMS Madara. Now we see what Hiruzen could do to the large statue by spiral zetsu.
Hashirama's his huge no doubt about that, but don't forget prime Hiruzen's jutsu's would also be larger as well. So the two would balance each other out in a sense by scaling. Therefore Hiruzen would atleast be able to burn it down or take it out like Tobirama did to the god tree. Hashirama's ultimate technique would be history. The bringer of darkness genjutsu well Hiruzen already knows how to combat that so we won't need to go there.
Anyway the database scores led to this but I do believe Hiruzen was stronger that Hashirama by a tiny margin and EMS Madara by a decent margin, probably the same margin between EMS Madara and Tobirama.
Anyway guess thanks for reading if you did. Im not a Hiruzen fan but his prime is something to really think about.
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Well let's have a look. He only has a score of three in three categories. Guess what catagories they are? Yes one's that are effected as you get older. Some people state that there is no such thing as prime Hiruzen. Well let's look at Naruto's stats.
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We can speculate he would have around the same stamina as Naruto in his prime probably more because Naruto is still not in his prime at all yet.
Again let's look at speed, he is still only slightly lower than naruto by 0.5 of a point. Althoug Hiruzen may be closer to 2.5 than 3.0. Anyway Naruto can be pretty fast.
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Now let's look at orochimaru, he has exactly the same stats as old Hiruzen, they're nearly the exact same. Orochimaru is extremely strong and known as a prodigy and he is in his prime/possibly exiting it and here we have Hiruzen in his old age with nearly the same stats. Now we have to speculate, although you will all say that I can't do that, well guess what I can. Hiruzen would be quite exceptionally powerful.
Now what I want to look at is could he have been able to defeat Madara or Hashirama? Well let's see.
If I remember correctly when Madara edo put Ay into a genjutsu, Onoki released him really quicky.
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Hiruzen was said to be the strongest out of the five kages, the includes Onoki since he was ruling during Hiruzen's reign.
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Now let's look at the battle between Hiruzen and the first and second hokages.
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First of all what happens is Hiruzen build up chakra, now what happens when he does this? Will the pressure in the air increased which cause tiles to begin to rise. Now we have seen this before. Yes, Hashirama does this when he is revived, although he doesn't have to build up chakra because he is nearly/virtually at full power anyway, while Hiruzen would be probably be about 35-40% of his prime power.
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Now we see that his summon said he was pathetic as well, considering he found enma's staff form to weigh a lot heavier.
Now let's look at a very recent chapter. Hiruzen was able to use all the 5 basic elements at a very high, large and powerful level. We can barely see him in the scan. What else is impressive is that he used five clones, which would only allow him to use only a fifth of his already low chakra reserves.
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Now if he has only 40% of his prime chakra reserves to work with due to old age and edo only allows you to use what reseverves you have but you can use any technique that doesn't require more what the user has, then that means these jutsu's used can and would be at least five times as powerful in a single body at old age and then two time more powerful than that at least when he was in his prime. That means that Hiruzens fire jutsu's would absolutely dwarf that of madara's and obito's when they were standing side by side.
Now because of this Hiruzen would be able to release himself from genjutsu, have incredible speed a lot faster than 4 tails naruto would orochimaru was able to fight while in his prime(without arms) have incredible strength enough to lift enma easily and use the staff as profeciently as Sasuke with his katana and his wide range/large chakra reserves would make him be more than enough for EMS Madara. Now we see what Hiruzen could do to the large statue by spiral zetsu.
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Hashirama's his huge no doubt about that, but don't forget prime Hiruzen's jutsu's would also be larger as well. So the two would balance each other out in a sense by scaling. Therefore Hiruzen would atleast be able to burn it down or take it out like Tobirama did to the god tree. Hashirama's ultimate technique would be history. The bringer of darkness genjutsu well Hiruzen already knows how to combat that so we won't need to go there.
Anyway the database scores led to this but I do believe Hiruzen was stronger that Hashirama by a tiny margin and EMS Madara by a decent margin, probably the same margin between EMS Madara and Tobirama.
Anyway guess thanks for reading if you did. Im not a Hiruzen fan but his prime is something to really think about.
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