[VS] Jiraiya vs. Bee

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Location: Bee vs. Sasuke

Restrictions: Full Bijuu Transformation

Jiraiya starts in SM

Who'd win?
 

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Damn, Jiraiya destroys with these conditions.
With Full bijuu mode unrestricted and Jiraiya starting in base, Jiraiya still can pull off a win high diff
 

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Damn, Jiraiya destroys with these conditions.
With Full bijuu mode unrestricted and Jiraiya starting in base, Jiraiya still can pull off a win high diff

can't Bee just instantly go 4 tails or 6 tails?
 

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Killer Bee comfortably wins this
 

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can't Bee just instantly go 4 tails or 6 tails?

If he tries to speedblitz Jiraiya could just reverse summon back to Mount Myobou and enter sage mode there, then come back and counter with a dozen clones holding house-sized rasengans. Or he could go into his barrier to enter Sage Mode. Or he could crawl into a toad's mouth, make the toad shrink, and then use a transformation jutsu to make the toad appear as a rock or a stump, and then enter sage mode.

If bee goes full 8tails then Jiraiya counters with sinking him with Dark Swamp from below and crashing a toad on him with Food Cart Destroyer from above.
 

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If he tries to speedblitz Jiraiya could just reverse summon back to Mount Myobou and enter sage mode there, then come back and counter with a dozen clones holding house-sized rasengans. Or he could go into his barrier to enter Sage Mode. Or he could crawl into a toad's mouth, make the toad shrink, and then use a transformation jutsu to make the toad appear as a rock or a stump, and then enter sage mode.

If bee goes full 8tails then Jiraiya counters with sinking him with Dark Swamp from below and crashing a toad on him with Food Cart Destroyer from above.

I think that the whole entire point of speedblitzing is that you can't respond to it.

I think that Jiraiya does have a huge arsenal, but he almost died when dealing with four tailed Kyuubi cloaked Naruto. I don't see him taking on a seven tailed KB with a bijuu cloak. Bee counters Ma and Pa's Genjutsu with Kirabi, Bee is too fast to any of Jiraiya's Ninjutsu to land (even if it did, his cloak will protect him), etc. It would basically be a battle of Taijutsu, in which case Bee stomps. And if Bee can use a TBB while in that mode (which Naruto did against Oro and Pain), Jiraiya is screwed.
 

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I think that the whole entire point of speedblitzing is that you can't respond to it.

I think that Jiraiya does have a huge arsenal, but he almost died when dealing with four tailed Kyuubi cloaked Naruto. I don't see him taking on a seven tailed KB with a bijuu cloak. Bee counters Ma and Pa's Genjutsu with Kirabi, Bee is too fast to any of Jiraiya's Ninjutsu to land (even if it did, his cloak will protect him), etc. It would basically be a battle of Taijutsu, in which case Bee stomps. And if Bee can use a TBB while in that mode (which Naruto did against Oro and Pain), Jiraiya is screwed.

Bee isn't blitzing shit if Jiraiya starts in SM. Frog kata reflexes + elephant sized double rasengans, he easily nails Bee. He got injured by Naruto because he wasn't trying to kill him, only restrain. Plus Joraiya can have Shima to spit out her sand dust thing while Jiraiya erects his sensong barrier...bee has no sensing feats so jiraiya could sense bee's location while Bee becomes disoriented. Wide rang attacks like Goemon overcome his speed. He can restrain him with dark swamp, food cart destroyer, or toad mouth trap. Jiraiya has practically limitless nature energy so he can just begin pure ninjutsu spam. Bijuudama, especially in V2 form, take a long start up time so Jiraiya would be able to use dark swamp or food cart destroyer to restrain him before that happens. Plus, Jiraiya has five elements seal so if he gets even a hand on Bee one time he can restrain the Hachibi...
 

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Bee isn't blitzing shit if Jiraiya starts in SM. Frog kata reflexes + elephant sized double rasengans, he easily nails Bee. He got injured by Naruto because he wasn't trying to kill him, only restrain. Plus Joraiya can have Shima to spit out her sand dust thing while Jiraiya erects his sensong barrier...bee has no sensing feats so jiraiya could sense bee's location while Bee becomes disoriented. Wide rang attacks like Goemon overcome his speed. He can restrain him with dark swamp, food cart destroyer, or toad mouth trap. Jiraiya has practically limitless nature energy so he can just begin pure ninjutsu spam. Bijuudama, especially in V2 form, take a long start up time so Jiraiya would be able to use dark swamp or food cart destroyer to restrain him before that happens. Plus, Jiraiya has five elements seal so if he gets even a hand on Bee one time he can restrain the Hachibi...

Talk about overestimating a character
 
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Bee isn't blitzing shit if Jiraiya starts in SM. Frog kata reflexes + elephant sized double rasengans, he easily nails Bee. He got injured by Naruto because he wasn't trying to kill him, only restrain. Plus Joraiya can have Shima to spit out her sand dust thing while Jiraiya erects his sensong barrier...bee has no sensing feats so jiraiya could sense bee's location while Bee becomes disoriented. Wide rang attacks like Goemon overcome his speed. He can restrain him with dark swamp, food cart destroyer, or toad mouth trap. Jiraiya has practically limitless nature energy so he can just begin pure ninjutsu spam. Bijuudama, especially in V2 form, take a long start up time so Jiraiya would be able to use dark swamp or food cart destroyer to restrain him before that happens. Plus, Jiraiya has five elements seal so if he gets even a hand on Bee one time he can restrain the Hachibi...
What about TBB spam, eh?
 

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Killer Bee wins, mid difficulty. The sannin are no match for perfect jinchuriki
 

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What about TBB spam, eh?

The instant Bee goes full 8tails, Jiraiya sinks him with Swamp of the Underworld from below and Food Cart Destroyer from above. Food Cart Destroyer was capable of holding down a larger tailed beast while they were forming a bijuudama:

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Keep in mind that Dark Swamp will be enormous, more than enough to sink a bijuu. Jiraiya used it when he was drugged and commented on how pitiful it was compared to its normal size, yet it was still able to sink a boss snake. Add in the Sage Mode factor and it becomes even huger.
 

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Its kinda of more like a tie between the two shinobi
 

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Jiraiya can take this high diff. He starts in SM so v2 Bee won't be too big of a deal. Frog call will leave Bee vulnerable, swamp of the underworld will leave him sinking, toads can cancel out TBB since it will explode upon contact with any force in the opposite direction. Hair and swanp will keep Bee in place for Bunta smashes. Goemon can end. Massive katon collaboration jutsu can end. I dont personally believe Bee can take this.
 

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Toad Mouth Trap will kill Bee.
 
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