Are the likes of Minato, Tobirama, and Itachi out of the Top 10?

[ChocolateVanilla]

Itachi should have been kicked out of the top ten a while ago.

 

[Im Still Robin]

What?! If he is Top 10 still he's 9 or 10, too many OP characters.

Madara
Sasuke/Naruto
Jubbito
Hashirama
Nagato
Minato
Kabuto
Orochimaru
Itachi

Kabuto does not > Minato...if a minato fan like you believe that then you're not a minato fan.
Its just stupid to believe.

 

[Gaaraske]

the one and only true list

1. kaguya
2. hagoromo
3. madara
4. naruto
5. obito
6. hashirama/ashura/indra
7. tobirama/minato
8. nagato
9. kabuto/itachi
10. killer bee/sasuke/hiruzen

Probably the WORST list I've ever seen

 

[Gambitz1]

Interesting point but should we really include acquired/temporary power ups? Or maybe what i mean is shouldnt longevity be a big factor? Gai is awesome but a technique that can only be used once gives me hesitation. Guess this is a mute point because the only name i'd take off is "Juubito". I'd move Hashirama to the top as i would disqualify all except regular Madara who would be number 2. No edo madara(edo anyone would be unstoppable), No juumadara or whatever we might call his current form. Thoughts?

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Kabuto does not > Minato...if a minato fan like you believe that then you're not a minato fan.
Its just stupid to believe.

I agree with you in saying that Minato beats Kabuto 1v1, however, I think Kabuto beats more other opponents more easily and is more versatile giving him a higher spot on the list.

Interesting point but should we really include acquired/temporary power ups? Or maybe what i mean is shouldnt longevity be a big factor? Gai is awesome but a technique that can only be used once gives me hesitation. Guess this is a mute point because the only name i'd take off is "Juubito". I'd move Hashirama to the top as i would disqualify all except regular Madara who would be number 2. No edo madara(edo anyone would be unstoppable), No juumadara or whatever we might call his current form. Thoughts?

I would say that temporary powerups such as 8 gates and becoming Juubi Jin do count. I take into account everyone's strongest form (prime) that they've showcased whether for a single panel or 100 chapters. This means no "Prime Hiruzen" or "Healthy Itachi" as these characters technically do not exist. If it is a power that they can and have utilized in battle, it counts towards their spot in the list in my opinion.

 

[Im Still Robin]

I agree with you in saying that Minato beats Kabuto 1v1, however, I think Kabuto beats more other opponents more easily and is more versatile giving him a higher spot on the list.

Kabuto lost to genjutsu...
Minato is a sensor...higher than Kabuto I would say, remember Minato is a natural sensor and has sage mode...so yes Minato has double on Kabuto.

That being said...anything Kabuto has is useless. He has a few jutsu's but vs FTG its useless, and Sasuke and Itachi managed to hit him a few times and they aren't even close to Minato in close combat.

 

[assface3]

Your list is pretty legit, OP.

 

[Gambitz1]

And Orochimaru > Kabuto

 

[AGoodBoy]

tobirama was never in top 10.

Either wya, it depends if you restrict sage family from it or not.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Kabuto lost to genjutsu...
Minato is a sensor...higher than Kabuto I would say, remember Minato is a natural sensor and has sage mode...so yes Minato has double on Kabuto.

That being said...anything Kabuto has is useless. He has a few jutsu's but vs FTG its useless, and Sasuke and Itachi managed to hit him a few times and they aren't even close to Minato in close combat.

I know... I agree with basically everything you said. I already admitted Minato beats Kabuto 1v1. However, given Kabuto's vast arsenal of techniques, I would STILL place him higher on the list. Minato is very predictable considering all he really does is Rasengan + FTG + throw special Kunai. However, his Sage Mode is the weakest one known and cannot really accomplish much aside from pack a little extra punch into a Rasengan.

And Orochimaru > Kabuto

Refer to previous comments and present an argument please.

 

[Konohas gelber Blitz]

Everyone has his own opinion who is the strongest and this is my list


Top 10 "With PowerUp - List"

1) Currently Madara, I guess
2) Naruto (So6P Power, Tailed Beast Power, Sage Mode, Indra Chakra)
3) Sasuke (So6P Power, Rinnegan Upgrade but has Limits, Susanno, Ashura Chakra)
4) Guy (8 Gates!!!)
5) Hashirama (Indra Chakra, Sage Mode, Wood Style)
6) Juubito (Hashirama Cells, 1-7 Tailed Beats)
7) Minato ( Sage Mode, FTG, ... )
8) Itachi (Susanno, ....)
9) Tobirama ( Inventer of Everything haha XD )
10) Nagato (Madaras Eyes (Rinnegan))


* Hashirama is above Obito, because of Sage Mode. Simple as that.


Top 10 of " Without PowerUps - List"

1) Guy (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
2) Minato (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
3) Itachi (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
4) Hashirama (Without Indras Chakra)
5) Madara (His Own Eyes)
6) Obito (Kamui)
7) Tobirama
8) Oonoki
9) Naruto (Sage Mode, Rasengan - Beated Raikage)
10) Jiraya


* Didn't count Sasuke (Whole Life was a present)
* Naruto without Kurama
* Obito not sure (Actually one Jutsu haha)

 

[Forest]

top 10 is now legit god tier
1)Kaguya
2)Juubidara
3)hagoromo / brother
4) Naruto
5)sasuke
6)Ashura
7)Indra
8) Juubito
9) Hashirama
10) Nagato / 8 gates gai

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Everyone has his own opinion who is the strongest and this is my list


Top 10 "With PowerUp - List"

1) Currently Madara, I guess
2) Naruto (So6P Power, Tailed Beast Power, Sage Mode, Indra Chakra)
3) Sasuke (So6P Power, Rinnegan Upgrade but has Limits, Susanno, Ashura Chakra)
4) Guy (8 Gates!!!)
5) Hashirama (Indra Chakra, Sage Mode, Wood Style)
6) Juubito (Hashirama Cells, 1-7 Tailed Beats)
7) Minato ( Sage Mode, FTG, ... )
8) Itachi (Susanno, ....)
9) Tobirama ( Inventer of Everything haha XD )
10) Nagato (Madaras Eyes (Rinnegan))


* Hashirama is above Obito, because of Sage Mode. Simple as that.


Top 10 of " Without PowerUps - List"

1) Guy (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
2) Minato (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
3) Itachi (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
4) Hashirama (Without Indras Chakra)
5) Obito (Kamui)
6) Madara (His Own Eyes)
7) Tobirama
8) Oonoki
9) Naruto (Sage Mode, Rasengan - Beated Raikage)
10) Jiraya


* Didn't count Sasuke (Whole Life was a present)
* Naruto without Kurama
* Obito not sure (Actually one Jutsu haha)

Your lists are both pretty good! Hashirama vs. Juubito is subjective; would be a great fight but it seems like the omnyouden (spelling?) still beats Hashi's Wood Style and obviously I have Nagato higher than the 3 mentioned in the title, but still, nice lists. I really like the fact that you added a "natural powers" list as well! + rep for you.

 

[Im Still Robin]

I know... I agree with basically everything you said. I already admitted Minato beats Kabuto 1v1. However, given Kabuto's vast arsenal of techniques, I would STILL place him higher on the list. Minato is very predictable considering all he really does is Rasengan + FTG + throw special Kunai. However, his Sage Mode is the weakest one known and cannot really accomplish much aside from pack a little extra punch into a Rasengan.



Refer to previous comments and present an argument please.

Just because he has more moves doesn't make him > Minato lol.
That would be like saying Kabuto > current Naruto because of his moves.
No, Minato all in all > Kabuto. Just because he does the same thing doesn't mean Kabuto can do anything about it.

You saw Minato, it takes the sages powers, plus rinnegan, plus sharingan, plus the Juubi's powers.
All that and Madara and Obito each took only one arm. That's sad imo.
He is instant and sage mode lasts probably 5 to 10 minutes...logic behind FTG is that time isn't a problem.

 

[Gambitz1]

I agree with you in saying that Minato beats Kabuto 1v1, however, I think Kabuto beats more other opponents more easily and is more versatile giving him a higher spot on the list.



I would say that temporary powerups such as 8 gates and becoming Juubi Jin do count. I take into account everyone's strongest form (prime) that they've showcased whether for a single panel or 100 chapters. This means no "Prime Hiruzen" or "Healthy Itachi" as these characters technically do not exist. If it is a power that they can and have utilized in battle, it counts towards their spot in the list in my opinion.

I've never really bought into "prime hiruzen" or "healthy Itachi", maybe it should be restricted to powers no one else can get? Maybe i'm just not a fan of "absorbing" power.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Just because he has more moves doesn't make him > Minato lol.
That would be like saying Kabuto > current Naruto because of his moves.
No, Minato all in all > Kabuto. Just because he does the same thing doesn't mean Kabuto can do anything about it.

You saw Minato, it takes the sages powers, plus rinnegan, plus sharingan, plus the Juubi's powers.
All that and Madara and Obito each took only one arm. That's sad imo.
He is instant and sage mode lasts probably 5 to 10 minutes...logic behind FTG is that time isn't a problem.

I just think Kabuto beats more opponents 1v1 than Minato does. Why is that concept so hard to grasp? Like take this for example... Omoi could potentially beat Deidara because he uses the Lightening Style... Does that mean Omoi should be ranked higher on the list? Of course not; Deidara is a much better overall ninja and takes down many more opponents.
Like this, I think that there are several opponents that Kabuto could take down that Minato can not. Fair enough?

 

[Forest]

Everyone has his own opinion who is the strongest and this is my list


Top 10 "With PowerUp - List"

1) Currently Madara, I guess
2) Naruto (So6P Power, Tailed Beast Power, Sage Mode, Indra Chakra)
3) Sasuke (So6P Power, Rinnegan Upgrade but has Limits, Susanno, Ashura Chakra)
4) Guy (8 Gates!!!)
5) Hashirama (Indra Chakra, Sage Mode, Wood Style)
6) Juubito (Hashirama Cells, 1-7 Tailed Beats)
7) Minato ( Sage Mode, FTG, ... )
8) Itachi (Susanno, ....)
9) Tobirama ( Inventer of Everything haha XD )
10) Nagato (Madaras Eyes (Rinnegan))


* Hashirama is above Obito, because of Sage Mode. Simple as that.


Top 10 of " Without PowerUps - List"

1) Guy (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
2) Minato (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
3) Itachi (NO GIVEN UPGRADES, TALENT !!!!)
4) Hashirama (Without Indras Chakra)
5) Madara (His Own Eyes)
6) Obito (Kamui)
7) Tobirama
8) Oonoki
9) Naruto (Sage Mode, Rasengan - Beated Raikage)
10) Jiraya


* Didn't count Sasuke (Whole Life was a present)
* Naruto without Kurama
* Obito not sure (Actually one Jutsu haha)

this is illogical... without kurama naruto would have died multiple times and never learned SM....
there many instances before the point where he learned SM where he would have been raped if it were not for Kurama... how can you say sasuke's whole life was a present? how do you assume SM when he would have never learned it without kurama keeping him to that point? DO you see what i am saying?

 

[Gambitz1]

Orochimaru is way more skilled than kabuto. Kabuto's edge comes from sage mode which orochimaru couldnt get because of his weak body. Kabuto unlike others hasnt surpassed his master.......not yet

 

[Im Still Robin]

I just think Kabuto beats more opponents 1v1 than Minato does. Why is that concept so hard to grasp? Like take this for example... Omoi could potentially beat Deidara because he uses the Lightening Style... Does that mean Omoi should be ranked higher on the list? Of course not; Deidara is a much better overall ninja and takes down many more opponents.
Like this, I think that there are several opponents that Kabuto could take down that Minato can not. Fair enough?

Minato solo'd an entire nation with only those kunai's :|
It takes Kabuto strong dead people....if he had the RDS thing like Orochi Minato would be there...he already tried to revive Minato vs the third.

I can understand that its your opinion, but beating more doesn't mean a higher ranking...it matters who you've beaten or who you can beat in order to really get on the list at all.

Sasuke attacking the summit alone killed his future, but attacking and standing against the kages and actually living is just death on sight.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Minato solo'd an entire nation with only those kunai's :|
It takes Kabuto strong dead people....if he had the RDS thing like Orochi Minato would be there...he already tried to revive Minato vs the third.

I can understand that its your opinion, but beating more doesn't mean a higher ranking...it matters who you've beaten or who you can beat in order to really get on the list at all.

Sasuke attacking the summit alone killed his future, but attacking and standing against the kages and actually living is just death on sight.

Thank you for proving my point for me... @ bolded
/debate