Deidara & Hebi sasuke vs Thee Sanin

[Apêx1]

Good point regarding Deidara's mixing his clay with jirayia's hair but it wont be easy considering his hands and arm's will be restrained? Depending on how far deidara is also, Jiraiya may even see deidara mixing clay and react immediately.

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so that further backs up my statement of it being a troublesome task for deidara to mix in his clay bombs with jiraiaya's hair when he cannot use his arms nor hands, ( if I said anything wrong let me know since I am a bit rust on deidara)

His arms will be restrained once the hair reaches, it isn't instant nor has it been shown to be extremely quick. Deidara simply has to hold it in his hand as the hair approaches and release it when it's there, unless there is some proof of it prioritising the hand when he has no intel of Deidara's bombs. Again, mixing clay won't have much effect since there's no intel of it. You seem to be assuming that Deidara reaching into his pouch for clay isn't what he does at the beginning of every fight. If they start at the same time Jiraiya's hair shouldn't be assumed to reach Deidara before Deidara finishes with his clay, considering its speed is featless.

As for sasuke using katon, orochimaru can simply counter by summing a snake similar to what sasuke did against deidara's clay bomb.

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Nope. I fail to see the comparison you are making. Sasuke engulfed himself in it. I don't recall there being a large range for Oro to summon the snake. Once the hair has started approaching Deidara, Sasuke uses Katon on the hair. I fail to see how the snake being there will stop the entire range of the hair. We are talking a 65m distance between them. The snake isn't covering all hair's distance, so the hair catches fire via Sasuke's Katon and turns to ashes.

Any way's to counter deidara from going airborne, he first had to mold the clay and make a hand seal for it to activate.

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During this time frame, this obviously keeps jiriaya or orochimari the means to attack. ( now those scans are only for deidara's normal bird, I am not sure if the process is the same for his other birds such as c2 dragon and etc.)

Again, this is 65m distance. He has more than enough time to do such a measly hand seal with Sasuke backing him. Jiraiya is attempting to restrain Deidara, I don't recall him being capable of two things at once. Tsunade, however, is their, but she lacks anything powerful enough to bypass Sasuke's rape zone. Oro can get there but I also have some doubts of whether he can handle a C2 Sasuke given his feats.

Now you said that deiadara can mix his clay in with jiraiay's hair, that is a possibility but

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. Now depending on how jiriaya restrains him he may or not be able to form the hand seal.

My knowledge on deidara got rusty so if I made any errors my apologies.

Indeed he needs to form a handseal to detonate the bombs in the hair. First of all, the hair doesn't cover his entire body, and his fingers are a part of what isn't covered. If you disagree then fine, Sasuke guts it with his increased raiton enhanced Kusanagi range [

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]. He shouldn't have diffuclty doing this even if he is fighting someone else, as he can force a swipe which would hit his opponent, if his opponent dodges/is cut in half then it still will go towards it original path, Jiraiya's 60m long hair. He doesn't need to cut it all, he can simply cut off a part which is restricting Deidara's hand, and then he can detonate the bomb. And np, my knowledge of Deidara is also somewhat rusty, but from what I recall I used to think he should win, so I don't see a difference now.

 

[shelke]

This will be a close match. We know for a fact that Orochimaru has no counter for Sharingan's Genjutsu. Unless someone here has proof, then this argument stays. Deidara was shown to make a bird and get air borne when Gaara's sand was right in his face. This means that he's pretty damn fast. When also know for a fact that Deidara's dragon can throw out Homing missiles with incredible potency. I wonder how the Sanin can counter them.

The Hair argument is good, but it is countered with Nagashi and Cs2 if used on Sasuke and if on Deidara then Sasuke can easily go for Jiraiya himself, as he cannot simply maneuver at high-speed and keep someone restraint at the same time. Sasuke can also use Snakes to restraint Jiraiya altogether, allowing Deidara to prepare C2 and combat Orochimaru.

Tsunade is an inferior fighter here and can be CQC'd by Sasuke with relative ease as he's much faster than her. Orochimaru's speed by feats is much inferior than Sasuke, so I don't think how he overpowers him unless he doesn't bring out the 8 branch technique. Sasuke can also take to air and use Dragon Katon attack and Chidori spear to keep them at bay for Deidara to prep more homing bombs.

Honestly, all of them lack the speed to dodge the homing Bomb Sasuke dodged. The next one he threw at him, Sasuke couldn't dodge it even with CS2 activated and lost a wing as well. Once in air - as Deidara will take to air easily - the match is over. If Jiraiya tries to get into SM, he'll be shot down like a duck in a barrel. Basically nothing but a sitting duck and a burden on his team mates.

Team one wins mid difference.

 

[Nattana]

The Sannin win mid diff.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Tsunade is non factor in this. I say Team 1 wins.

 

[Prince Charles]

His arms will be restrained once the hair reaches, it isn't instant nor has it been shown to be extremely quick. Deidara simply has to hold it in his hand as the hair approaches and release it when it's there, unless there is some proof of it prioritising the hand when he has no intel of Deidara's bombs. Again, mixing clay won't have much effect since there's no intel of it. You seem to be assuming that Deidara reaching into his pouch for clay isn't what he does at the beginning of every fight. If they start at the same time Jiraiya's hair shouldn't be assumed to reach Deidara before Deidara finishes with his clay, considering its speed is featless

Your assuming he will already have the clay ready before he get's restrained. You say their is no intel, yet I see no reason why orochimaru cannot fill in jiriaya on deidara's abilities? What? Do you not see the size difference between the rinnegan crab and deidara? All it took was a clap from jiriaya to subdue the crab near instant. Deidara being smaller, the process will even take less time.

Not too mention we see the lion's mane go after Asura path, you can clearly see the speed of the jutsu.

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Not too mention Jiriaya

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. Again jiriaya's lack of info on deidara's clay making abilities should be filled in by orochimaru who should logically know a thing or two about deidara's set. Of course Deidara will prep clay bombs as soon as the fight starts but as you said, which jutsu will perform quicker? Jiriayas hair or deidara molding his clay?

Also what if deidara stands on the ground for a period of time as he did against sasuke? This is why I didnt like debating this because their are too much factors to consider.

What if deidara as I said stands on the ground for a period of time, and preps his c1 and throws it at let's say tsunade or orochimaru? He will leave himself open to wild lion's mane from jiriaya.

Regarding shelke's comment in regards to deidara immediately dropping out a bird against gaara's sand I believe that bird was already molded and prepped so obviously he was capable of already having out.

Bold, I never knew the distance was 65 meters.. If I had known I never would of made those accusations lml Yeah I probably go with team 1 due to the distance, I need to read the OP more :erm: So I will only comment on the first part of your post

 

[Prince Charles]

yeah just disregard my whole post INdra, i wasnt aware of the distance... :hyper:

 

[shelke]

@PrinceCharles

You could be right. But I always factored in the distance:

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The bird is quite far off. It doesn't make sense for it to cover such a large distance in an instant.

 

[Apêx1]

Your assuming he will already have the clay ready before he get's restrained. You say their is no intel, yet I see no reason why orochimaru cannot fill in jiriaya on deidara's abilities? What? Do you not see the size difference between the rinnegan crab and deidara? All it took was a clap from jiriaya to subdue the crab near instant. Deidara being smaller, the process will even take less time.

I didn't say it would be ready, I said he would've started preparing it. Anyways, Jiraiya has no feat for his hairs speed that actually factors in someone dodging/evading, Deidara has quite a speed feat of his clay being created

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Him free falling in the air with a quicker acceleration due to Gaara's sand and still having made the bird while being extremely high off ground level proves his ability to create it at insane speeds. Restraining a featless crab isn't special tbh. Panels don't share a constant time, each panel has a different amount of time in- between. Although ok, he can engulf all of Deidara, wouldn't change the fact that Deidara would be quicker, nor would it change the fact that Sasuke can use his Katon on the hair, blitz Jiraiya, or simply cut the hair with the chidori spear/kusanagi enhanced range.

Not too mention we see the lion's mane go after Asura path, you can clearly see the speed of the jutsu.

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Not too mention Jiriaya

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. Again jiriaya's lack of info on deidara's clay making abilities should be filled in by orochimaru who should logically know a thing or two about deidara's set. Of course Deidara will prep clay bombs as soon as the fight starts but as you said, which jutsu will perform quicker? Jiriayas hair or deidara molding his clay?

There is no noticeable attempt from Ashura to dodge it. Ashura isn't noted for his speed in the manga as well. However, you seem to have forgotten that Ashura was confident for a reason

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Once again, you don't seem to be reading correctly. Konan was basically paper, after oil was put onto her, there was no way for her to escape. You're taking things out of context and interpreting them in your own way bro. Orochimaru's talking speed=Deidara putting his hand into a pouch and creating his c1 bird at an insane speed? The more he talks about Deidara's bombs the more time Deidara has to create his bird and go airborne. It was a 50/50 chance before, factor in the talking and Deidara is at the moon by now. If the fight was 20m I would agree with you, but this is 65m we're talking about. Diedara is done long before Jiraiy'a hair reaches.

Also what if deidara stands on the ground for a period of time as he did against sasuke? This is why I didnt like debating this because their are too much factors to consider.

If you want to factor IC then Jiraiya is summoning Bunta before he uses his hair at a 65m range. I don't recall Jiraiya ever using his hair to restrain when he wasn't doing it to interrogate at first. IC would change this whole debate, but no one ever said it is IC so it is assumed we can create any scenario for them.

What if deidara as I said stands on the ground for a period of time, and preps his c1 and throws it at let's say tsunade or orochimaru? He will leave himself open to wild lion's mane from jiriaya.

Regarding shelke's comment in regards to deidara immediately dropping out a bird against gaara's sand I believe that bird was already molded and prepped so obviously he was capable of already having out.

Bold, I never knew the distance was 65 meters.. If I had known I never would of made those accusations lml Yeah I probably go with team 1 due to the distance, I need to read the OP more :erm: So I will only comment on the first part of your post

Again, not IC. Katon still leaves no trace of Jiraiya's hair=half his kit is lost.

It wasn't molded.

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his right hand holds no clay.

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his right hand no holds the bird prepped.

Ight np. Team 1 still wins xd

yeah just disregard my whole post INdra, i wasnt aware of the distance... :hyper:

nigguhhhh...

 

[Joker]

I didn't say it would be ready, I said he would've started preparing it. Anyways, Jiraiya has no feat for his hairs speed that actually factors in someone dodging/evading, Deidara has quite a speed feat of his clay being created

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Him free falling in the air with a quicker acceleration due to Gaara's sand and still having made the bird while being extremely high off ground level proves his ability to create it at insane speeds. Restraining a featless crab isn't special tbh. Panels don't share a constant time, each panel has a different amount of time in- between. Although ok, he can engulf all of Deidara, wouldn't change the fact that Deidara would be quicker, nor would it change the fact that Sasuke can use his Katon on the hair, blitz Jiraiya, or simply cut the hair with the chidori spear/kusanagi enhanced range.



There is no noticeable attempt from Ashura to dodge it. Ashura isn't noted for his speed in the manga as well. However, you seem to have forgotten that Ashura was confident for a reason

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Once again, you don't seem to be reading correctly. Konan was basically paper, after oil was put onto her, there was no way for her to escape. You're taking things out of context and interpreting them in your own way bro. Orochimaru's talking speed=Deidara putting his hand into a pouch and creating his c1 bird at an insane speed? The more he talks about Deidara's bombs the more time Deidara has to create his bird and go airborne. It was a 50/50 chance before, factor in the talking and Deidara is at the moon by now. If the fight was 20m I would agree with you, but this is 65m we're talking about. Diedara is done long before Jiraiy'a hair reaches.



If you want to factor IC then Jiraiya is summoning Bunta before he uses his hair at a 65m range. I don't recall Jiraiya ever using his hair to restrain when he wasn't doing it to interrogate at first. IC would change this whole debate, but no one ever said it is IC so it is assumed we can create any scenario for them.



Again, not IC. Katon still leaves no trace of Jiraiya's hair=half his kit is lost.

It wasn't molded.

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his right hand holds no clay.

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his right hand no holds the bird prepped.

Ight np. Team 1 still wins xd




nigguhhhh...

Team one wins? I hope you're kidding

 

[Apêx1]

Team one wins? I hope you're kidding

Yes I wrote a wall of text and am kidding. You got me.

 

[makosheva7]

Mindset is bloodlusted? Deidara and Sausage win. Deidara will go to C4 right off the bat, and with no intel on C4 all the Sannin get killed.

I agree if the mindest is bloodlusted then Deidara isn't gonna be his usual cocky self he's just gonna tear them apart with C4.

 

[Misconception]

Deidara and Sasuke wins... The argument that Sasuke said Orochimaru was stronger than him is invalid when feats says otherwise... Manda or Gamabunta gets controlled via genjutsu... Also how are they going to survive c3 which is village level??? None of the sannin have a counter for Genjutsu aswell... I just don't see them winning...

 

[UchihaNagashi]

First team mid-high difficulty. Sasuke picks them off one by one, as Deidara holds them off.

Orochimaru - his main weakness lies in his neck. After decapitated, Orochimaru cannot perform Kawarimi that is executed through mouth. Sasuke has Kenjutsu advantage; possesses Kusanagi and Raiton. If they clash, Sasuke easily comes out victorious. All summons are dead (except Aoda and Manda that are not in their arsenal), so this is a CQC battle mainly. He also possesses no counter known to Sharingan.

Tsunade - Laughable. Sharingan and Raiton Kenjutsu are too much. She's not going to land a hit, and Katsuyu can be killed with C4. If Sasuke decapitates her, she dies instantly.

Jiraiya - strongest among them. But if Deidara and Sasuke team-up, he has much lesser chance. But he possesses threat though.​

 

[Prince Charles]

I just hope Indra doesnt get cocky... only reason u owned me cus a niga didnt pay attention to the OP..

smh

 

[Latios]

If the mindset is bloodlusted then Deidara probably won't care about killing Sasuke along with the Sannin in a big explosion.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I just hope Indra doesnt cocky... only reason u owned me cus a niga didnt pay attention to the OP..

smh

Even I can own you son. It's okay.​

 

[Prince Charles]

Even I can own you son. It's okay.​

this niga lol

 

[Unorthodox]

prince charles lmao

damn indra did the work for me

team 1 wins here med-high diff max

 

[Prince Charles]

prince charles lmao

damn indra did the work for me

team 1 wins here med-high diff max

niga shut up lol i didnt see the distance!!! fuk -_-

 

[Apêx1]

I just hope Indra doesnt get cocky... only reason u owned me cus a niga didnt pay attention to the OP..

smh

Lol niga you got rekd gg. Kidding.. I don't get cocky, being right once doesn't mean you're always right. Although... excuses?... Stop the bittchin' boii.