A Correct Power Analysis. I.

[Wolfus]

Even if the power power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were of an equal portion it doesn't deny the fact that they have their own personal power unto which it was added. Before Hagoromo gave Sasuke Indra's inheritance he already had Senju DNA [Yoton] being fueled into his body; something Indra did not possess.

Regarding Senjutsu you're forgetting that Sasuke now has Hashirama's DNA which can be used to gather Natural energy; also to be used as the medium to perfectly balance Natural energy with his Physical and Spiritual energies----essentially replicating Madara. We've already seen that he can channel thise energy through his Mangekyo techniques and it is in this regard that he surpasses Madara. ​

Hmmm...

My thought's are that it's an overlapping of Doujutsu. Sasuke may be able to jointly use Rin'negan and Sharingan abilities and/or entirely display each Doujutu's abilities through abilities of the other. Allowing Susano'o to use Shinra-Tenesi would be an example. ​

"What happens when he decides amplifies his Doujutsu with it?" <- is the obstacle that prevents me from seeing how Naruto could possibly be potentially stronger. ​

I'm not talking only about the power they were given, but about the way they are being portrated in general. Besides, their previous powers they had, BM naruto was equal to PS sasuke, and BSM was somewhat above. Not by much tough. And tough sasuke has hashi's cells, we don't know in what portion he got it. Besides, naruto now has acess to the powers of all other 8 bijuu.

No, I'm not forgeting it. In fact, I said it myself that perhaps that would even help sasuke, but it wouldn't allow him to acess SM. As we've seen with madara, he didn't fully enter SM. The natural energy was balanced with the hashirama cells he had, not within his whole body, as we've seen with naruto. That's why he said "only this much power? this will be easy to handle".
Sasuke could do the same, as I also said previously. But that alone wouldn't put him above naruto.
However, all this isn't enough for him to master SM. He still can't balance it with his chakra(all his chakra), and he still needs to learn that in order to fully enter SM.

 

[Bronze]

Not if the Rin'negan and Sharingan were originally the same Dōjutsu...which so happens to be the case.​

But the Rinnegan is an evolution version of Sharingan. And supposedly, Kaguya's eye can only cast Infinite Tsukuyomi. Nothing was said about the Rikudou No Jutsu.

 

[shelke]

Hmmm...

My thought's are that it's an overlapping of Doujutsu. Sasuke may be able to jointly use Rin'negan and Sharingan abilities and/or entirely display each Doujutu's abilities through abilities of the other. Allowing Susano'o to use Shinra-Tenesi would be an example. ​

Perhaps, or maybe it's the hidden Doujutsu Itachi talked about for EMS. Maybe it is the final eye mutation and not a Doujutus at all?​

 

[Waltz]

@ Wolfus: A portrayal is only a depiction but can it currently be validated----and validated entirely? In order to do so you would need to fully contrast Sasuke's potential to Naruto's; which is my route. I'm not saying that in the end Sasuke will be the stronger of the pair but that currently his potential is greater than Naruto's.

Error on your part, Wolfus. Hashirama's cells are in fact dispersed throughout and have mingled with his body and it naturally should have, over time. Which is why he was able utilize his regenerative abilities or to do this: [

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]. Madara fully had Sennin Modo. You should be able to see why I've drawn the extension to Sasuke. ​

But the Rinnegan is an evolution version of Sharingan. And supposedly, Kaguya's eye can only cast Infinite Tsukuyomi. Nothing was said about the Rikudou No Jutsu.

Visualize it: The modern day Sharingan only surfaced after Indra's Doujutsu suffered attenuation and was dispersed among his offspring: The Uchiha. Indra's Doujutsu is Hagoromo's Doujutsu lacking the Yoton poritons which were inherited by his brother. When you combine both, Hagoromo's Rin'negan results. Hagoromo in turn inherently received his Doujutsu from his Mother Kaguya who was hosting the power of the Fruit and the Shinju's Doujutsu at the time of giving birth. Both the Sharingan and Rin'negan originate form the Shinju. ​

Perhaps, or maybe it's the hidden Doujutsu Itachi talked about for EMS. Maybe it is the final eye mutation and not a Doujutus at all?

I think Itachi was referring to the imperfect, modern day Rin'negan. If Sasuke bestowed with power from Hagoromo then he would have the same Rin'negan as Madara. ​

 

[Wolfus]

@ Wolfus: A portrayal is only a depiction but can it currently be validated----and validated entirely? In order to do so you would need to fully contrast Sasuke's potential to Naruto's; which is my route. I'm not saying that in the end Sasuke will be the stronger of the pair but that currently his potential is greater than Naruto's.

Error on your part, Wolfus. Hashirama's cells are in fact dispersed throughout and have mingled with his body and it naturally should have, over time. Which is why he was able utilize his regenerative abilities or to do this: [

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]. Madara fully had Sennin Modo. You should be able to see why I've drawn the extension to Sasuke. ​

Hum, I see. Perhaps. The possibility of him acessing the whole SM could make him surpass naruto. Judging his potential, then, yes, it would be bigger. But to completelly make an acurate affirmative, we have to see what sasuke is capable of. Something we have yet to see. But I understood your point.

Of course the cells were spread arround his body. As we saw, he could wield it's power in a great form, even able to do use the wood dragon. However, the reasonx for which it's likely that he didn't fully have SM are: Hashirama's cells wouldn't be enough for him to control natural energy. Even hashirama had to stay still a little bit to acess his sage mode. It's likely that it works like naruto's. Therefore, even though having his own cells, and the mokuton, he most likely needed to learn to master natural energy, just like naruto learned. Madara never learned that. If even hashirama had to do it, then madara, and as a consequence, sasuke, would have to the same.
The other is that, differently from the usual SM, the marks of it appeared in the place in which madara injected hashirama's cells(the place where now there is hashi's head). This, and the fact that he only absorbed a bit of natural energy, leads us to conclude that he wasn't in a full SM. The same can be applied to sasuke.

 

[EPICMenma]

So you are saying that Hagoromo and Madara have Rinnegan which is weaker version of original Rinnegan Juubi had?

 

[shelke]

I think Itachi was referring to the imperfect, modern day Rin'negan. If Sasuke bestowed with power from Hagoromo then he would have the same Rin'negan as Madara. ​

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He was talking about a Hidden Doujutsu that awoke with EMS. Rinnegan seems like a different mutation from the looks of it.​

 

[Waltz]

Hum, I see. Perhaps. The possibility of him acessing the whole SM could make him surpass naruto. Judging his potential, then, yes, it would be bigger. But to completelly make an acurate affirmative, we have to see what sasuke is capable of. Something we have yet to see. But I understood your point.

Of course the cells were spread arround his body. As we saw, he could wield it's power in a great form, even able to do use the wood dragon. However, the reasonx for which it's likely that he didn't fully have SM are: Hashirama's cells wouldn't be enough for him to control natural energy. Even hashirama had to stay still a little bit to acess his sage mode. It's likely that it works like naruto's. Therefore, even though having his own cells, and the mokuton, he most likely needed to learn to master natural energy, just like naruto learned. Madara never learned that. If even hashirama had to do it, then madara, and as a consequence, sasuke, would have to the same.
The other is that, differently from the usual SM, the marks of it appeared in the place in which madara injected hashirama's cells(the place where now there is hashi's head). This, and the fact that he only absorbed a bit of natural energy, leads us to conclude that he wasn't in a full SM. The same can be applied to sasuke.

Doable.

Hashirama's Sage Mode is not the regular mastery under an animal instructor, further implication of that is that he displays no animal traits as did Naruto and Jiraiya. Mokuton possesses the ability to rejuvenate the users chakra and energy naturally as seen

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. Mokuton techniques can be produced from anywhere, as the user's chakra is literally converted into a source of life because of its composition (Doton, Suiton, and Yōtōn (physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form.)). Hashirama's ability to regenerate wounds is a clear sign that Mokuton absorbs Natural energy as we've seen Jūgo possessing the same ability to regenerate via his

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that allows him to absorb natural energy. It's a similar biological function. The life giving properties of Yōtōn energy is what enables Mokuton to maneuver about----as if alive.
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So you are saying that Hagoromo and Madara have Rinnegan which is weaker version of original Rinnegan Juubi had?

Yeah .​

 

[Wolfus]

Doable.

Hashirama's Sage Mode is not the regular mastery under an animal instructor, further implication of that is that he displays no animal traits as did Naruto and Jiraiya. Mokuton possesses the ability to rejuvenate the users chakra and energy naturally as seen

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. Mokuton techniques can be produced from anywhere, as the user's chakra is literally converted into a source of life because of its composition (Doton, Suiton, and Yōtōn (physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form.)). Hashirama's ability to regenerate wounds is a clear sign that Mokuton absorbs Natural energy as we've seen Jūgo possessing the same ability to regenerate via his

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that allows him to absorb natural energy. It's a similar biological function. The life giving properties of Yōtōn energy is what enables Mokuton to maneuver about----as if alive.
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Yeah .​

It is still likely that it requires mastery. Even though it's possible that mokuto allows natural energy to be absorbed naturally, it's highly unlikely that it allows the user to instantly master the natural energy, thus entering SM.
The part in which the user stands still is the part in which the energy he absorbed is balanced. Hashirama needed to do that. In fact, if he didn't need it, then he could stay in SM forever, as his body or mokuton would absorb natural energy, and he wouldn't need to balance it. But that is not treu, as shown in his battle with madara.
Then, I simply re-state my point of sasuke being unable to master natural energy without training.

 

[Waltz]

Hashirama's body can be attributed as Mokuton which is why he possesses regenerative abilites and didnt say it instantaneously absorbs Shizen Enerugī. I can see your reasoning but it's hard to chew on Shodai enduring the same process as Jiraiya and Naruto----Mokuton's the greater plausibility.​

 

[Wolfus]

Hashirama's body can be attributed as Mokuton which is why he possesses regenerative abilites and didnt say it instantaneously absorbs Shizen Enerugī. I can see your reasoning but it's hard to chew on Shodai enduring the same process as Jiraiya and Naruto----Mokuton's the greater plausibility.​

I agree that perhaps he didn't endure the same process, perhaps due to the mokuton attribute you stated. But it was evident that he still had to balance natural energy. It's likely that he can balance it faster and easier than naruto could, due to the attribute mentioned. But it's still a process he had to learn, which is why he still does it. It is, then, a stet sasuke can't skip.

 

[Darkas]

Equals...?

The entire Yin-Yang concept was unbalanced the moment we saw Ashura besting his brother. One of Hagoromo's sons unconsciously inherited more than the other; it is the reason why Hagoromo had a 'favorite'. Regarding Senjutsu, read below. ​

No need to speculate, Shiro. As the Kage summit exposed that Jugo's ability to absorb Natural energy is a doubtlessly similar biological function as Hashirama absorbing Natural energy through Mokuton; it was a foundation later built upon after we witnessed

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. The effects brought about were easily observed as the Zetsu spores within Sasuke's body grew to maximum extent.

It would make Jūgo no longer necessary.

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Yet your thread is not meant to be taken seriously and this is all made up assumptions, do we got that clear? Let's just let the manga speak for itself. Al though I strongly disagree with the Senjutsu part when Sasuke had no type of practice with Senjutsu and besides how's this Sasuke of yours going to be able to use techniques with no type of practice or knowledge. That's like someone telling me to fly a plane when I have no experience. You understand now?