Reason for power inconsistancy and why naruto's juubi mode is so strong

[Sennin of Logic]

First, let's get into how powerful Naruto's 6 paths mode(this is what I'm calling it) is.

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Even without it being fully activated, he was on par with Madara phsycially, who refuted the possibility of injures playing a part in it. It goes to show that, if using their physical feats as a reference, Naruto's 6 paths mode was stronger than Madara's at that point in time. However, this seemingly leaves a major plothole.

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The amount of biju chakra determines how powerful a 6 paths mode is. However, by this line of thinking, since Naruto only has half of Kurama and only pieces of the chakra of other bijus, he should be weaker than Juubito. In fact, this isn't the only inconsistency.


Here, gudou-dama shields could tank senjutsu-enhanced TBBS and a senjutsu-enhanced arrows together.

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However, here, a couple of ransengans opened up a larger shield.

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Some people joke around by calling this "friendship ransengan." However, the funny thing is, it's not really about friendship. it all comes down to this.....

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I believe that Kishimoto gave us the explanation through Hagoromo.

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I think Hagoromo makes it clear that power, even if divided, is stronger if individuals work together. It's not just multiplied by the number of people with the power, it's probably exponential. This is most likely why senjutsu TBBS and susanoo arrows couldn't penetrate gudou-damas, but the senjutsu ransengans could. It was because multiple individuals shared their power. This is probably because it's related more to the real nature of chakra.

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In fact, this seems to be a quickly growing theme.

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Divided power wielded by individuals working together> the complete power used by a single person. This is further supported by something that happened years ago.

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Need I say more about this? 9 tails<<<<<<<<<<<<Juubi. However, Kurama's chakra being spread out through individuals exceeded the 10 tails.


This is most likely why Naruto's 6 paths mode is stronger than the other ones.(bar Madara's) It's the true power. Obito's, Madara's, and Hagoromo's was merely enslaving a power to their will without cooperation. Infinite Tsukyomi is like a dark version of cooperation, an illusion that makes individuals work together to make an unrivaled power(chakra fruit) Naruto's is about 9 individual beasts willingly fusing their power with his own. So Naruto's juubi powers may very well exceed even Hagoromo's. (note, Madara's stronger now due to absorbing the tree and having rinnegan, and while Naruto's juubi powers may be better than Hagoromo's, he has the rinnegan and other overpowered techniques that put him above. I'm not saying Naruto's stronger overall)


This is why Naruto's so strong and why there's power inconsistencies. Hope you found it useful.

 

[Cwill94]

Skimmed through it, but the parts it did read you made some valid points.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto is this powerful because he got Hagoromo's power, not because of the 9 Bijuu or teamwork. Hence Madara saying "He has obtained the Senjutsu of the Six Paths" So there is no inconsistency of him being above Juubito or him being this strong, cause the fragments of the 8 Bijuu along with Yin Kurama isn't what pushed him up to this level.

 

[Conspirator.]

Pretty solid thread mate.

 

[paratise]

Makes sense...
So it works like instead of being 3 + 3 = 6 it goes as 3 x 3 = 9.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Naruto is this powerful because he got Hagoromo's power, not because of the 9 Bijuu or teamwork. Hence Madara saying "He has obtained the Senjutsu of the Six Paths" So there is no inconsistency of him being above Juubito or him being this strong, cause the fragments of the 8 Bijuu along with Yin Kurama isn't what pushed him up to this level.

Juubi power has also been refereed to as senjutsu by Madara.

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Going by manga portrayal, this probably is the nature of the power. Hagoromo did call it the true power after all.

Pretty solid thread mate.

Thanks!

Makes sense...
So it works like instead of being 3 + 3 = 6 it goes as 3 x 3 = 9.

Exactly!

 

[KidGamer65]

Juubi power has also been refereed to as senjutsu by Madara.





Going by manga portrayal, this probably is the nature of the power. Hagoromo did call it the true power after all.

That still doesn't change the fact that Naruto is this strong because he got a power up from Rikudo. Not to mention it still doesn't change the fact that Naruto got that Senjutsu power from Rikudo, not from the 9 Bijuu.

-The Juubi's power is Senjutsu, not the 9 Bijuu being used together in one body, cause the 9 separate Bijuu are not the Juubi.

-Madara was highlighting the power that they both obtained from Rikudo Sennin. (Sasuke got the Rinnegan and Naruto got the Senjutsu of the Six Paths) and a general power boost.


Though I will agree you have a point when it comes to cooperation, but that along with Rikudo's buff is what put him on this level.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That still doesn't change the fact that Naruto is this strong because he got a power up from Rikudo. Not to mention it still doesn't change the fact that Naruto got that Senjutsu power from Rikudo, not from the 9 Bijuu.

-The Juubi's power is Senjutsu, not the 9 Bijuu being used together in one body, cause the 9 separate Bijuu are not the Juubi.

-Madara was highlighting the power that they both obtained from Rikudo Sennin. (Sasuke got the Rinnegan and Naruto got the Senjutsu of the Six Paths) and a general power boost.


Though I will agree you have a point when it comes to cooperation, but that along with Rikudo's buff is what put him on this level.

Ah, I can agree one that. It also fits my theory that senjutsu users would be better juubi jins than Obito or Madara.

 

[Ultimateone]

yea, i noticed that also. it makes a lot of since that this may be the reason for it, good thread.

 

[Bronze]

Naruto possess half of pre Juubi Hagoromo. Therefore, he is below any power below Juubi.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Naruto possess half of pre Juubi Hagoromo. Therefore, he is below any power below Juubi.

(facepalm) He clearly has juubi powers. Therefore, it was not half of pre-juubi Hagoromo.

 

[Bronze]

(facepalm) He clearly has juubi powers. Therefore, it was not half of pre-juubi Hagoromo.

I didn't say he didn't have them. Hagoromo inherited his mother's powers of the fruit. That doesn't change the fact its lesser and weaker than the Juubi's power, because its the actual source.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

I like your theory or should I call this an established fact. Excellent work for putting a lot of time into this.

 

[Behemoth55]

Naruto is this powerful because he got Hagoromo's power, not because of the 9 Bijuu or teamwork.

^This.

So far as we know, Naruto has only a little part of eight Bijū. Narutos Rikudō-Mode is the result of Hagoromos Senchakra. Gudōdama is one of his own Senjutsu too. We could argue that Jūbi is the source of Hagoromos power, which is true, since he was born with his mothers chakra(chakra of the fruit) inside his body. Jūbis power manifested itself also in many Kekkai Genkai. But Naruto uses a power of base Hagoromo.
Hagoromo was a monster and now we can see what Naruto is able to achieve with the "body-component" of the Sage of the Six Paths.

My two cents.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

^This.

So far as we know, Naruto has only a little part of eight Bijū. Narutos Rikudō-Mode is the result of Hagoromos Senchakra. Gudōdama is one of his own Senjutsu too. We could argue that Jūbi is the source of Hagoromos power, which is true, sine he was born with his mothers chakra(chakra of the fruit) inside his body. Jūbis power manifested itself also in many Kekkai Genkai. But Naruto uses a power of base Hagoromo.
Hagoromo was a monster and now we can see what Naruto is able to achieve with the "body-component" of the Sage of the Six Paths.

My two cents.

Actually ur wrong,naruto posesses both yin and yang kurama,plus the eight bijuus
check where rikoudu stated that the tym for the prophecy concerning the blue eyed boy.

 

[Behemoth55]

Actually ur wrong,naruto posesses both yin and yang kurama,plus the eight bijuus
check where rikoudu stated that the tym for the prophecy concerning the blue eyed boy.

Yang Kurama is inside Madara. I think, these scan serves more like an ideogram to underline Narutos connection with the Bijū(that's also the reason the Bijū had the same size), but, actually, there's no reason to deny legitimate facts.

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[KCMNaruto]

Fantastic thread and *Bow down* shit load of efforts put into making it.

Really amazing work.

Base New Naruto - Juubi Jin Obito level or close to it
Fully transformed Naruto - above Juubi Jin Obito's level, around weakened Juubi jin Uchiha Madara and much below Full power fresh Ten tails host Madara.

 

[Jimihendrix]

I like where your head's at kid

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Fantastic thread and *Bow down* shit load of efforts put into making it.

Really amazing work.

Base New Naruto - Juubi Jin Obito level or close to it
Fully transformed Naruto - above Juubi Jin Obito's level, around weakened Juubi jin Uchiha Madara and much below Full power fresh Ten tails host Madara.

Whats the difference between base new naruto and fully transformed Naruto?

I dont think Naruto needs the chakra cloak now, thats useless.
I'd also like to see him fight purely like Madara, not some shiny aura around him, looks stupid

Naruto is clearly beyond Madara without Shinju, otherwise he wouldnt have to run for his life and get cut in half.

But sasuke is needed in order to defeat Madara, he is too OP now :S

 

[KCMNaruto]

Whats the difference between base new naruto and fully transformed Naruto?

I dont think Naruto needs the chakra cloak now, thats useless.
I'd also like to see him fight purely like Madara, not some shiny aura around him, looks stupid

Naruto is clearly beyond Madara without Shinju, otherwise he wouldnt have to run for his life and get cut in half.

But sasuke is needed in order to defeat Madara, he is too OP now :S

The Madara you talk about was weakened version of Madara.

I doubt he could give run of money to Full power TTH Madara.