[Theory] The True Final Villain, The Fate of Kaguya.

[Seventh Sama]

You're jumping to conclusions rationally. Kaguya died thousands of years ago. If she even made a merge with the Juubi or God Tree, Hagoromo would have realized it long ago, since he possessed the same God Tree. It was the God Tree that was talking to Madara. The panel shows behind Madara's forehead, could mean the powers you gain from eating the fruit, which of course equaling to Kaguya.

Plus, Kaguya has no relevancy to the story nor main characters. Her being final villain out of nowhere is idiotic for a writer. Not mention, Madara's mentality has proven to instantly overwhelm the Juubi. Kaguya taking over him is impossible at this point.

How about god tree + madara as FV?

 

[Jako98146]

A sentient fruit that can possess people seems a bit odd, but reading this theory makes it seem plausible, and it was an interesting theory with nice research

 

[Sauske Freakin Uchiha]

I see this as possible, would that make the fruit/deities motive to get chakra back from the human race?

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

This is a consistent theory. In fact, it explains why the old god tree disappeared if the juubi was an incarnation. Where did the original tree go? It probably died because it couldn't achieve rebirth through the fruit which was eaten by Kaguya.

 

[Silver Wolf]

Well, I hypothesized long ago that the fruit is the rebirth mechanism of the Shinju, kinda like the Banana Tree that focuses its nutrients to create its Flower (where the Banana Fruits reside) then dies afterwards and is reborn again, a cycle of Birth-Death-Rebirth

Exactly, what if the current Shinju/Juubi is the fruit that Kaguya ate and not the one that Kaguya ate the fruit from, abd since Kaguya was the one who ate the fruit it became part of it?

 

[Six Paths]

Yes! This all makes sense. The fruit impersonating kaguya is brilliant. kinda reminds me how zetsu can impersonate people.
anyways best FV theory i've heard all this year!

Thanks a Lot for Reading =D. I appreciate that!

You're jumping to conclusions rationally. Kaguya died thousands of years ago. If she even made a merge with the Juubi or God Tree, Hagoromo would have realized it long ago, since he possessed the same God Tree. It was the God Tree that was talking to Madara. The panel shows behind Madara's forehead, could mean the powers you gain from eating the fruit, which of course equaling to Kaguya.

Plus, Kaguya has no relevancy to the story nor main characters. Her being final villain out of nowhere is idiotic for a writer. Not mention, Madara's mentality has proven to instantly overwhelm the Juubi. Kaguya taking over him is impossible at this point.

I have another point of view. The God Tree didn't talk to Obito. Why didn't he? Obito's resovle was to strong. He talked to Madara the only person power hungry enough to be later Ripped apart by the Fruit.

How about god tree + madara as FV?

Nope, It would be lame

A sentient fruit that can possess people seems a bit odd, but reading this theory makes it seem plausible, and it was an interesting theory with nice research

Lol, Thanks a lot.

I see this as possible, would that make the fruit/deities motive to get chakra back from the human race?

Yes and Rule over the World. The Fruit wants Ultimate Control.

Exactly, what if the current Shinju/Juubi is the fruit that Kaguya ate and not the one that Kaguya ate the fruit from, abd since Kaguya was the one who ate the fruit it became part of it?

Yes. The Fruit took control over Kaguya, and it was the one pulling the strings from behind. Kaguya died the Day she ate the Fruit.

 

[Byron123]

The Fruit is incredibly weaker as what it was Suppossed to be. It doesn't have the strength it used to have. It will need someone else in order to do the Work for him until it gets stronger. Kaguya's personality and true self was being surpassed by the Fruit the whole time. Kaguya was never in control of her body, after she ate the Fruit. The Fruit Ruled with Iron fist, and it wanted to Rule forever. This is the reason the Fruit is returning back. It want's to have all the chakra again since it was rightfully it's

I see, well it makes sense but still it's more like a prediction rather than a theory. I mean you say that Kaguya was never in contrl of her body but still that's need to be proven. In any case, I liked it.

 

[Honord Sage]

It's the Tree calling Madara not Kaguya,it is the Tree who wants To join with Madara not Kaguya. The Tree wants things to go back to before Kaguya.

 

[Xāvî1]

great theory

 

[Silver Wolf]

Yes. The Fruit took control over Kaguya, and it was the one pulling the strings from behind. Kaguya died the Day she ate the Fruit.
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No what i'm trying to say here is that Kaguya is the tree not being controled by it(aka she and the tree are the same entity, the original shinju had already died once Kaguya ate the fruit, so in time Kaguya inherited the will of the shinju because of the fruit she ate is the offspring of the shinju and now that she is one with the fruit, she herself became the fruit and eventually the Shinju/Juubi, which later on fought her own sons to take their chakra after it bloomed in them, which they eventually defeat, seal into Hagoromo, and having it's chakra divided into the nine bijuu, gedo mazou and among all mankind, and Hagoromo and his brother's chakra as well qs their descendants(Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki and Hyuuga). Right now Kaguya/Shinju is trying to reclaim back as much chakra as she can by implementing Tsuki no me, to become complete again

 

[OopsWrongHole]

Haven't logged in for awhile but had to for this. This theory is literally the best one I've read so far since the latest chapter was released. Extremely well written out and is very plausible. Good work my friend. 10/10!

 

[Six Paths]

I see, well it makes sense but still it's more like a prediction rather than a theory. I mean you say that Kaguya was never in contrl of her body but still that's need to be proven. In any case, I liked it.

We gotta wait and See U_U

It's the Tree calling Madara not Kaguya,it is the Tree who wants To join with Madara not Kaguya. The Tree wants things to go back to before Kaguya.

Did you read the theory?

great theory

Thanks for reading, I appreciate it.

No what I'm trying to say here is that Kaguya is the tree not being controled by it(aka she and the tree are the same entity, the original shinju had already died once Kaguya ate the fruit, so in time Kaguya inherited the will of the shinju because of the fruit she ate is the offspring of the shinju and now that she is one with the fruit, she herself became the fruit and eventually the Shinju/Juubi, which later on fought her own sons to take their chakra after it bloomed in them, which they eventually defeat, seal into Hagoromo, and having it's chakra divided into the nine bijuu, gedo mazou and among all mankind, and Hagoromo and his brother's chakra as well qs their descendants(Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki and Hyuuga). Right now Kaguya/Shinju is trying to reclaim back as much chakra as she can by implementing Tsuki no me, to become complete again

I think Kaguya is just a shell. Not the actual Villain. She was used by the Fruit since when she ate it.

 

[Silver Wolf]

We gotta wait and See U_U

I'll say it again, what i'm trying to say here is that Kaguya and the fruit are the same thing/entity/person, kaguua is the fruit,and thevfruit is Kaguya


Did you read the theory?



Thanks for reading, I appreciate it.



I think Kaguya is just a shell. Not the actual Villain. She was used by the Fruit since when she ate it.

I'll say it again, kaguya is the fruit and the fruit is Kaguya, this is what i'm trying to say i swear, the fruit was probably eaten by Kagiya before gaining any conciousness therefore Kaguya became the contiousness of the fruit

 

[Bronze]

I have another point of view. The God Tree didn't talk to Obito. Why didn't he? Obito's resovle was to strong. He talked to Madara the only person power hungry enough to be later Ripped apart by the Fruit.

It has nothing to do with resolve. The point here is either Hagoromo or Obito must have realized the existence of Kaguya inside the tree. Its pretty much a plot hole, since the fruit doesn't open until 15 minutes past, which didn't pass when Obito was defeated.

 

[Six Paths]

It has nothing to do with resolve. The point here is either Hagoromo or Obito must have realized the existence of Kaguya inside the tree. Its pretty much a plot hole, since the fruit doesn't open until 15 minutes past, which didn't pass when Obito was defeated.

Neither one of them knew. They would have warned Naruto if they did.

 

[Handsome Jack]

Great theory , Altrough I still belive that Madara is the final villain

 

[Leinad Sotam]

Well :|, I don't have a Funny Start for this Theory :|, So I will begin Directly.

Hello Everyone. How you doing?
This got me thinking fr quite some time, I must stay it will have a little bit of Biology. So I hope you have passed Biology Exams.
We all have Read the latest Chapter and we know that someone was talking to Madara. It was most likely an Entity of the Juubi. It Said "Take me In"

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We all thought that The Juubi started to Talk, but it was something else when we saw that this Image appeared Later on

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We all thought that Kaguya was inside Madara, and that Kaguya was the actual Final Villain. Since we saw that the image had Byakugan and The Juubi Eye.

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It was most likely Kaguya then. There is it when we thought Madara will be killed in future chapters, and Kaguya will be the true final villain.

But this way of thinking will be a mistake. Kaguya was never actually evil. She actually wanted peace. Kaguya never wanted anyone to suffer and become part of the Holy Tree. But this is in contradiction to the facts right?
So this is it when the actual theory begins.

We will start with Biology. The Holy tree functions most likely as a normal tree. Like the trees in our World. So I think the same Laws that apply to trees will apply to the Shinju as well.
The Shinju has a Flower (Lotus)

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The Shinju has a Fruit as well

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When the Fruit was said to be created again, Hagoromo really feared that. He even Signaled that if the Fruit would be Born again it will be the Doom for everyone in the World. The world itself will cease to Exist.

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Why was he scared so much?!?!
The Fruit gives the eater power stronger, than being the Jinchuriki of the Tree itself. It was even stated by Hagoromo. That his mother was a lot stronger than everyone. Do you think he would lie about that? No he doesn't.

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The Fruit Bores once a Millenium. While the Fruit is being created all the Water, and Energy goes to it in order to make it stronger. The Holy tree was About to create a Fruit and Reproduce itself. The Fruit holds the Seeds of a Future Tree. Another Tree would have grown from that. The Fruit is the Key Element it seems. Now we come to the Basic Part of a Story.

Kaguya knew about that. She knew that the Fruit Would be Continuation of all the Other Trees. She evn knew that the Fruit must be a material of very Dense chakra. A chakra that was being deposited in the Fruit for 1000 years.
Kaguya didn't care about the Wars. She later on Ripped the Fruit and Ate it. Hre it is when the magic Happened. The Fruit was the True Successor of the Whole Tree. And evolution proposes that Trees may be able to Itroduce Logic.
The Fruit was the Conscious Form of the Juubi. It was the birth of evolution. The Fruit was the creation that was said to be Eternal. and It wanted to live forever.

When it realised it was being consumed by a Normal Human, It had to do something. It was eaten but I think it later knew. In order to achieve dream it had to take control of Kaguya. The Tree realised it was being Worshipped as a God. It knew that the thing a God must do it to keep The world at peace so it used Kaguya's Body to take control of the World. It misscalculated one thing only. Kaguya was nearly dying so....

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The 2 Kids would be a key for it to achieve the Rest of the Body, and eternal power. I think it just put a little part of it's will there. Hagoromo was just to strong to be possessed, His resolve was to Bring peace and the Fruit couldn't take control of the Mind of Hagoromo. When Kaguya Died she was Cursed to eternal Suffering from the Enormouc Chakra of the Fruit. Thus the Shinigami of the Shiki Fujin got to be.
(I will Leave a Theory of Derp, Becaus it is Derp after all, and he explains the

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Really well.)

After The Fruit realised it had no chance and it was Bound to Die, It used the smallest chance it could and became seperated with the other Bijuu as well. So that It would have the Slightest chance fr revival. I think it tried Obito out, But Obito just like Hagoromo had the Objective clear. Obito never wanted power he just wanted to continue with the Plan.

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But Madara, Madara just wanted to be complete. The time he had to start the Plan was infinite and he still didn't do that. The number of Scans is just limitless. You can find them easily yourself.

The Fruit took advantage of that, It realised everything and now it is becoming complete. The Fruit talked to Madara by using Kaguya's image. The Fruit know that if it would make Madara believe it is Kaguya, it would be able to become complete. Madara was arrogant and he is becoming more and more complete. Till the Fruit will emerge and Be the actual Villain. The Final Villain.

Kishimoto is using the Theory of the Dharmapala that Derp had.

The Dharmapala is a Wrathful deity, Not necessarily Evil but wrathful. The Dharmapala had to be born from the Lotus.
"Technically" he Fruit comes from the Lotus, just Like the Dharmapala does. So it just logical to Say that the Fruit is the Dharmapala and the Final Villain as well.

The Fruit told Madara the story in the Name of Kaguya and he In the end Sad It is time to become one again. Something Kaguya would have clearly never done. It even than changed the tense of the Verb. Before it Said
"Take me in", Later on when Madara started doubting and questioning, It said Absorb the Holy tree. Not to let Madara know.

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Phew..... Now a Summary for some LazyA**es
•) Kaguya is not Final Villain
•) Kaguya wanted to prevent the reproduction of the Shinju, She didn't care for peace.
•) The Fruit took control over her Kaguya and wanted to Terror the World
•) Kaguya was dying so he put some of his chakra in the Sons
•) The Sage was to strong for the Fruit to be controlled so it spit itself with the Juubi
•) The Fruit didn't control Obito because it couldn't
•) When Madara became jinchuriki, The Fruit knew, he was arrogant and it was the time to take action
•) The Fruit will be the Final Villain.


Thanks for Staying till the End, I hope you did :|

Good theory, I think was a bit inconstant on the writing but otherwise you explained it well .

 

[07srinis]

Good theory. I think its very possible, but personally I feel that Kaguya could still be responsible. I remember a few chapter earlier, Hagoromo said that Kaguya also possessed the 9 tomoe sharingan and was also capable of using and SHE DID USE the infinite tsukayomi on people. It was also very clear that Hagoromo did not accept that way of controlling people and he felt that no one person should have that much power and as a result they will lose control of it. But your theory does make sense cause he says the same thing is happening to madara what once happened to kaguya. At the same time it seems that he did not agree with his mothers methods. We also don't know a lot of things like why the fruit was forbidden to be eaten before people even knew about the ten-tails, what happened to Hagoromo's brother, what happened to kaguya and what happened to the part of the juubi that was once inside Hagoromo's brother.

All in all though. This is a very realistic theory.

 

[Six Paths]

Great theory , Altrough I still belive that Madara is the final villain

No Prob, Lol. Thanks for Reading.

Good theory, I think was a bit inconstant on the writing but otherwise you explained it well .

Sorry, I was trying to write quick and made some minor mistakes.

Good theory. I think its very possible, but personally I feel that Kaguya could still be responsible. I remember a few chapter earlier, Hagoromo said that Kaguya also possessed the 9 tomoe sharingan and was also capable of using and SHE DID USE the infinite tsukayomi on people. It was also very clear that Hagoromo did not accept that way of controlling people and he felt that no one person should have that much power and as a result they will lose control of it. But your theory does make sense cause he says the same thing is happening to madara what once happened to kaguya. At the same time it seems that he did not agree with his mothers methods. We also don't know a lot of things like why the fruit was forbidden to be eaten before people even knew about the ten-tails, what happened to Hagoromo's brother, what happened to kaguya and what happened to the part of the juubi that was once inside Hagoromo's brother.

All in all though. This is a very realistic theory.

Thanks for Reading. Kaguya couldn't even use Ninjutsu. It is obvious The Fruit knew about everything and how to use it as well.

 

[Vega]

Nice theory Lord SixPaths
You brought us some great points and connections, I thought something

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but yeah can't wait to see how Kishi plays his last cards :yeah: