Wait!!!!!!!! Shisui had Susano'o? The anime killed Shisui

[Brother Numpsay]

That's fine, although you'd have to use video game feats. Lol

Conditions can be change making it compatible to Manga Susanoo, but using Game/Kishimoto design

 

[Solo]

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Whether you accept something as canon or not is up too that individual, tbh. What's canon and what's not is a real thin line in this manga. Kishi will incorporate an idea from the anime into his manga. (The bubble blowing Jinchuriki and that Raiga dude) There's also gaps in the manga. Like the Akatsuki's past, Shisui's past, etc.

We take what we want as canon, as not what the author believes. For all we know, he might say the anime is canon one day.

Canon is only important when it comes to debates. Then you want facts not speculations.

 

[Bogard]

KA+Shunshin master+Susanoo? Damn that dude must have been overpowered

 

[6ari8]

It was F.I.L.L.E.R.

In canon, I really think that Danzo got that eye using an underhanded method he set up when Shisui was much younger,way before Shisui became as good as he was; Something like the curse seal that he uses on all root members to paralyze them when they try to leak information.

 

[Draphsin]

Who knows........... Maybe it is, and it's just in hiding, waiting to make its entrance as the final villain!

Lol Well I'd take mecha naruto over madara any day.

I never used the word canon. I'm just saying believing that someone like Shisui has Susanoo isn't something to really doubt. He never used Fireball jutsu in the manga but I think we all know he can.

Fair enough, not doubting it I'm just trying to make sure that people understand this is not something to confirm yet.

I'd very much like for this to be the real deal, hopefully it does end up being part of his arsenal.

 

[Solo]

Not certain about that. For one thing. That'd mean that he only used it once in his life, which I find unlikely. Itachi may have been talking about it without an Uchiha as a host.

No, that only applies to non-Uchihas who don't have Hashirama's cells.

Shisui could likely use the technique once a day or something, which would make sense, being that he's an Uchiha and the original owner of the jutsu.

It's possible.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Fair enough, not doubting it I'm just trying to make sure that people understand this is not something to confirm yet.

I'd very much like for this to be the real deal, hopefully it does end up being part of his arsenal.

At least it was all Kishi's design and concept. If I see it used in a vs thread or something, I won't even dispute it

 

[Draphsin]

We take what we want as canon, as not what the author believes.

Lol No, canon is the original source material, not what we want it to be. [

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For all we know, he might say the anime is canon one day.

& Until that day comes it's not

Canon is only important when it comes to debates.

Then why on earth are you saying that we can take what we want as canon? So we can choose between what's important & what's not? Logic sounds a bit flawed to me.

At least it was all Kishi's design and concept. If I see it used in a vs thread or something, I won't even dispute it

Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat as you.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

This susanoo isn't canon, it's exclusive to the game.

But created by Kishi B^| deal with it

 

[Chie]

It doesn't insta-kill your enemies. It just takes any disadvantageous situations and delete them, not teleport to your enemy as a counter-attack.

It might as well be considered as part of Shisui's arsenal. Neither the manga, nor the anime goes into his arsenal other than "he had KA, was the best genjutsu user, was good at body flicker, has fireball jutsu." The game's making the closest thing to an arsenal for him.

I agree on the teleportation part. That wasn't Izanagi, Danzo just turned Shisui's attack into an illusion, then used his own body flicker technique to get to Shisui that quickly.

But it was never said that Shisui was the best genjutsu user, other than by Bee. But Bee knows nearly nothing about Itachi and didn't really know much about Sasuke. So I think that Itachi surpasses Shisui in that department, considering that his entire arsenal revolves around genjutsu, he is the only Uchiha that we know of that can control multiple people while bypassing the range of sensors, and can cast non-ocular genjutsu. He also trained with Shisui, at least I assume that they trained together considering that they are best friends, so he probably picked up some pointers. So I just believe that Shisui was the best genjutsu user during his time, but later on Itachi surpassed him. That and Shisui does use the most powerful genjutsu, but that doesn't mean that he is the best genjutsu user overall. Sorry for the rant. U_U

 

[Draphsin]

But created by Kishi B^| deal with it

Doesn't matter it isn't canon, learn the difference between the two.

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

the filler made a complete plot fail, nothing more

 

[Chie]

Not certain about that. For one thing. That'd mean that he only used it once in his life, which I find unlikely. Itachi may have been talking about it without an Uchiha as a host.

No, that only applies to non-Uchihas who don't have Hashirama's cells.

Shisui could likely use the technique once a day or something, which would make sense, being that he's an Uchiha and the original owner of the jutsu.

I actually think that he could only use it once a decade. Otherwise, Itachi himself would not know of the wait time. That and if Shisui could use it multiple times, he wouldn't have told Hiruzen about his attempt on Fugaku, he could have just told him about it after considering that no harm would be done and he would have been able to use his KA on future missions. Also, if he could use KA more than once every ten years, he would have used it on the entire Police Force, or even the entire Uchiha clan, not just Fugaku. He also wouldn't have given Itachi his other eye if it didn't require such a wait time and instead just attempted the KA again. And if it didn't require such a wait time, Itachi would have just taken out on of his own eyes and implanted Shisui's eye, so that he could have used it on Sasuke during their fight. He could only use it once a decade.

If Shisui could only use it once a decade, that doesn't necessarily mean that he could use it once in his life. He was older than Itachi and we don't even know his exact age. All we know is that his father was Kagami Uchiha, who was the same age as Hiruzen/Danzo. Shisui also was a jounin and had the priviledge of having his own team. He was probably anywhere from 5-9 years older than Itachi. Also, Itachi got MS after watching Shisui die, but not long after was very capable of using Tsukiyomi, so maybe Shisui didn't have to use KA that often in order to know its effects. That and he could use it with either eye, so he could have just lost one MS for ten years and realized how it works.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I agree on the teleportation part. That wasn't Izanagi, Danzo just turned Shisui's attack into an illusion, then used his own body flicker technique to get to Shisui that quickly.

But it was never said that Shisui was the best genjutsu user, other than by Bee. But Bee knows nearly nothing about Itachi and didn't really know much about Sasuke. So I think that Itachi surpasses Shisui in that department, considering that his entire arsenal revolves around genjutsu, he is the only Uchiha that we know of that can control multiple people while bypassing the range of sensors, and can cast non-ocular genjutsu. He also trained with Shisui, at least I assume that they trained together considering that they are best friends, so he probably picked up some pointers. So I just believe that Shisui was the best genjutsu user during his time, but later on Itachi surpassed him. That and Shisui does use the most powerful genjutsu, but that doesn't mean that he is the best genjutsu user overall. Sorry for the rant. U_U

Here's the thing. Itachi didn't refute it, and Itachi's abilities were well known amongst the cloud ninjas.

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So they knew about Itachi's MS abilities, so their judgement is valid.

 

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Basically, I said I don't argue with what someone believe is canon. Unless it's a debate I don't really care. This is a very very VERY inconsistent series. That's why I said there is a thin line between what's canon and not. Why? One year ago, people would call you an idiot for saying you can use Susano'o without eyes.

To me canon and what's not has always been fan opinions. We're basically just picking what we believe is canon. When everything can change in a second. Dragon Ball GT, people will argue you to death saying it's not canon. Yet the Akira Toriyama helped with DBGT.

Edit: I believe people should wait until the series is done before deciding what's canon.

 

[Chie]

Here's the thing. Itachi didn't refute it, and Itachi's abilities were well known amongst the cloud ninjas.

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So they knew about Itachi's MS abilities, so their judgement is valid.

I doubt that Itachi would refute it, even if it was true because Shisui was his best friend and he was glad that he was getting praise. He's not an arrogant person, also he's dead so having such a title no longer matters. Itachi also doesn't care for titles, or pride through a name.

Yes, the cloud ninja did know of Itachi's amaterasu, but we don't know if they ever saw it in action. That sensor could have just assumed before that Itachi could use amaterasu, but not be able to manipulate the flames (which is true, Sasuke has better control) and perhaps could have just heard about it. Zetsu, who has seen numerous fights and recorded them had yet to see Itachi's amaterasu and susanno, but he knew that Itachi had them.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

naruto storm isnt canon. like fillers, and if you look, theres a mecha-naruto. tell me thats canon.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

It might as well be considered as part of Shisui's arsenal. Neither the manga, nor the anime goes into his arsenal other than "he had KA, was the best genjutsu user, was good at body flicker, has fireball jutsu." The game's making the closest thing to an arsenal for him.

Dude if that is the case then everybody needs that, to keep it balance. But no lol they just needed something to make him interesting, I think it's stupid cause Susano'o is suppose to be rare

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

No the game is giving him moves that he's never shown or has been known to possess.

There are things created for games, that are exclusive to games. Calling shisui's susanoo canon is the exact same thing as calling every single move & jutsu in that game canon which just isn't true.

I definitely agree bro

 

[Thundergod123]

C'mon, Itachi was able to react in 1/1000th of a second to Sasuke's Kirin. Shisui had more time than that,

Nope, Sasuke had to prepare his Kirin, so Itachi knew something big and fast would come....