Who is stronger? Tobirama or Kakashi?

[ShiroT]

Kakashi has more feats

tobirama had only kage hype and suicide jutsu

kage hype with ftg. Ftg can counter kamui so without those two i belive the 2nd takes this. Also ftg can be used to get behind kakashi and since he cant use kamui if he cant see him, he would lose. I say 2nd wins due to ftg

 

[Dark Magician]

Tobirama mid diff.

 

[ShiroT]

yeah either Kakashi high difficulty, or Tobirama Med difficulty in my opinion



I disagree with the underlined statement. Its not easy to counter kamui. only a S/T user can counter kamui effectively. Kamui is the BEST S/T jutsu in the series..I agree with everything else though

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obito's does the samething if he touches you and minato got out of that

 

[ultraChalk]

Kakashi is Kage level and almost as fast as Gai with a couple gates, but Tobirama is simply more skilled than him.

 

[MightGai]

Kakashi is Kage level and almost as fast as Gai with a couple gates, but Tobirama is simply more skilled than him.

Wait what? Kakashi being almost at the same speed that a Gated Guy?

 

[ultraChalk]

Wait what? Kakashi being almost at the same speed that a Gated Guy?

Yes. As a youth, he was capable of defeating 19 clones before the original became aware of his presence.

You have to be really fast to defeat that many opponents before the knowledge syncs back to the user.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Kakashi is better Imo

Tobirama would lose extreme high diff I believe. People keep saying he uses FTG to escape kamui, but I don't remember Tobirama having FTG kunai around the battlefield that allow him to do so.

To be honest it could go either way, but Kakashi's feats outnumber Tobirama's by a huge amount that I just think it goes in the copy ninjas favour.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Tobirama high diff

 

[MightGai]

Yes. As a youth, he was capable of defeating 19 clones before the original became aware of his presence.

You have to be really fast to defeat that many opponents before the knowledge syncs back to the user.

Not that I doubt you but can you post a manga scan of that? The only situation that pops to mind where that might have been said is during Naruto's waterfall training but I don't see it anywhere.

 

[dms_kakashi]

Um ... thanks to Tobirama the alliance wasn't wiped out by Obito, Madara and the Juubi Jinchuuriki afterwards.

by alliance u mean useless fodders!???

 

[dms_kakashi]

This is why I hate versus threads with Kakashi. Kamui snipe is lame af.

Without Kamui, Kakashi is fodder.

Tobirama wins for the sole purpose of pissing of Kakashi fans.

kakadhi fought with deva and asura wo kamui(until last moment) and u call him fodder

manga fact:kakashi>obito so he isnt fodder[both wo kamui]

 

[Kamui Sama]

I don't get the argument saying that if you remove Kamui Kakashi is fodder. By that logic if you remove Itachi and Sasuke's MS techs (just examples) they are fodder as well

edit: Anyway if Kakashi doesn't kamui right at the beginning he will most likely end up losing. I don't see why he wouldn't go for it though if he knew he was fighting to the death with one of the founders of the village.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Clearly kakashi wins :|

 

[SuperChief]

Tobirama and there really isn't much room for debate. Kamui is useless against Tobirama unless Kakashi targets specific limbs, assuming he even gets that chance.

 

[Conspirator.]

Just to point this out to everyone: 1vs1 isn't the only thing that should be taken into account when judging how strong someone is. Some people are almost impossible to beat in a one on one, but are not as good as other shinobis at wiping out countless shinobis at once. So what I am saying is, people shouldn't say "x can beat y, therefore x is stronger than y....." That logic is fallacious.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Just to point this out to everyone: 1vs1 isn't the only thing that should be taken into account when judging how strong someone is. Some people are almost impossible to beat in a one on one, but are not as good as other shinobis at wiping out countless shinobis at once. So what I am saying is, people shouldn't say "x can beat y, therefore x is stronger than y....." That logic is fallacious.

totally agree

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Why are people hyping Tobirama so much? The guy didn't do much other than talk big during the war. What happened to his almighty suiton jutsu? Did he forget how to use it properly?

His FTG is below Minato's
He can't make more than 3 shadow clones despite being a senju

Tobirama did not to much better than Hiruzen during the war