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I see your point- but personally I could care less.

Buu fights with stolen powers
Alucard fights with stolen powers
Aizen fights with stolen powers
Batman fights with stolen powers etc.... There are manyany more.

Perhaps it's because of all the different fiction I read but I could care less about where a power comes from.
I suppose if it really bothers you- you could ways take some peace with the fact that power alone doesn't win fights- you need at least some skill to use that power.

Basically, even if naruto fought using biju chakra- it's still impressive because very few people have the skill to use biju chakra like naruto does.

I don't like anyone but kid buu because that's his own power, the way he was created, and his strongest version.
The rest are little *****es lol. Ohhh my lord do I ever hate batman :p
 

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I agree. Most people consider every strong character to have borrowed powers but I count it as the opposite. Sasuke for example, doesn't have anything borrowed currently. Itachi's eyes? It was required to upgrade his own powers, he didn't get anything from it except for his sight. The only other thing would be the curse mark, but he no longer has it. It also dissapoints me how they needed the Sage's power as well, and are only as strong as they are because of basically "being" these other people; Ashura and Indra.
 

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...they taught him those stuff and he trained extremely hard to get to his level. He's not using their power. He doesn't have another being inside him making him stronger. It's OK to have a teacher..otherwise you won't got strong at all.

this... :)
 

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Naruto has been training and using his own power almost the whole series.

His own power? From what we heard that about incarnations, Naruto's very body may not even be fully his own. Naruto has been able to be Kage level thanks to either Senjutsu or Kurama. Both which by your definition seems to be "outside sources".
 

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I agree. Most people consider every strong character to have borrowed powers but I count it as the opposite. Sasuke for example, doesn't have anything borrowed currently. Itachi's eyes? It was required to upgrade his own powers, he didn't get anything from it except for his sight. The only other thing would be the curse mark, but he no longer has it. It also dissapoints me how they needed the Sage's power as well, and are only as strong as they are because of basically "being" these other people.
Well somehow itachi just poked him and he gained amaterasu from it lol. I forget exactly but Tobi at the time said something about it being a defense against him.
 

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Except those are things he LEARNED and TRAINED to achieve.

And Naruto LEARNED and TRAINED to communicate with Kurama, obtain Bijuu mode and create bijuu dama.

Instead of poof now you have tailed beasts in you. Sage mode and kage bunshin and his various rasengan styles are his own powers.

You said outside sources and senjutsu is an outside source. Furthermore, hard work does not solve everything in the Narutoverse. Powerful lineage is also a factor. Are you going to blame that next as well?
 

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His own power? From what we heard that about incarnations, Naruto's very body may not even be fully his own. Naruto has been able to be Kage level thanks to either Senjutsu or Kurama. Both which by your definition seems to be "outside sources".

I don't think he was receiving ashura's chakra until the sage unlocked it. But Kurama you are right with.
 

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And Naruto LEARNED and TRAINED to communicate with Kurama, obtain Bijuu mode and create bijuu dama.



You said outside sources and senjutsu is an outside source. Furthermore, hard work does not solve everything in the Naruto first. You must also be born with powerful lineage. Are you going to blame that next as well?

Gai was not born with powerful lineage and he stomped a juubi jin madara.
 

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What difference does it make other than bragging rights?
 

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His own power? From what we heard that about incarnations, Naruto's very body may not even be fully his own. Naruto has been able to be Kage level thanks to either Senjutsu or Kurama. Both which by your definition seems to be "outside sources".

He did not develop rasengan, clones, wind element, bukijutsu or taijutsu using senjutsu or kurama.
 

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ok, ok. why OP has problem only with hero and his borrowed power?
 

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Why does it matter it's fictional. Jesus Christ all the complaining of Naruto on borrowed power. Everyone is on borrowed power because chakra came from the God tree aka juubi so everyone has some juubi in them technically. Why does it matter if the power is the bijuu. It's not like they're fighting for him. If you read the manga and Narutodoes something amazing and all you can think of is he can only do it because of the power go kill yourself it's only thought about when he displays a feat over your favorite character
 

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ok, ok. why OP has problem only with hero and his borrowed power?

Probably because he reads Baki the Grappler, Kenichi or some other martial arts manga...

This thread is pointless and contradictory. If you're going to complain about characters receiving help from outside sources, you should refer to all factors including lineage, teachers and things that parallel the properties of the initially stated source.
 

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Probably because he reads Baki the Grappler, Kenichi or some other martial arts manga...
this sound really stupid if OP comparing kenichi who uses only martial acts as main power with naruto characters who uses supernatural power like bijuus,susanoo...
 
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Naruto had to train to be able to control the beasts, he had to endure hard ship to be accepted. If naruto never had the beast in side of him he would be pretty strong because he would stil lget trained by minato/jiraiya (it would continue because they wouldnt have died). The kages would train him, because he's related to minato. Different strong people will train with him. His chakra control wouldnt be ****ed up because of kurama. But eventually with hard work he learned to accept his fate, he channeled the being's chakra within him,and utilized it to his own.

I get annoyed when people say the beast arent naruto's chakra, yes we knwo they're other beings. But naruto worked hard to have control over them, the beasts didnt just give hi mthe chakra, naruto helped them and trained physically and mentally for them to accept him, madara took the beasts and still doesn't have full control over thme because he doesn't understand them. If the beasts werent in good terms with naruto, he would be just like madara/obito.

Dont forget, only naruto can use the beast like he does, nobody else knows how. Thats like saying, even though a pokemon trainer worked hard and cought legendaries and the legendaries grew to loving him, they're not his own.
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thats like saying because you bought a pet and they grew to liking you and does things for you the pet aint yours.
 
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He did not develop rasengan, clones, wind element, bukijutsu or taijutsu using senjutsu or kurama.

His chakra is a natural mix of both his own and Kurama's. Naruto is also unable to preform Rasenshuriken further without the use of Sage Mode or Kurama's Chakra Mode.
 

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You're going to rustle some jimmies
 

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His chakra is a natural mix of both his own and Kurama's. Naruto is also unable to preform Rasenshuriken further without the use of Sage Mode or Kurama's Chakra Mode.

even without kurama naruto can perform minimum 10 bunshins.
 
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