The underestimation of Hiruzen

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Hey guys


I have read countless topics saying that Hiruzen is all about hype, I'm here to proof that he is worth a place in the top 10 or maybe even the top 5 strongest shinobi, to start with, pardon my English it isn't my main language.


Stated in the Manga and Anime as the 'Professor,' and was said to be the strongest of all the Hokage in his Prime.
(hypes)

This was stated by Iruka, a sensei in the Academy, as a sensei of the Academy you have to give objective lessons, your own opinion doesn't count.

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Even the ANBU and Enma said that he's aging after he couldn't land a hit on the first and second Hokage (which probably means that he could fight them on par)

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Defeating Orochimaru, the first and second Hokage

That the first and second Hokage weren't on full power and that Oro didn't take the fight serious at the beginning is most likely a fact but this isn't a valid reason to kind of lose to an old geezer. (risked his own life, but still managed to kill the 2 Kages and damage Oro hard)



Capable of 5 elements and "thousand" (many atleast) Justu's

He and only he showed us to be capable of using the 5 elements though he's an old geezer.
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Besides that it has been said that he can use all Konoha Jutsu's (except the Doujutsu's), his fight agianst Oro and his Edo form proofed that he knows a lot, whether he can use all of them is unknown. I won't post any screens because there literally are hundred of them.



My point

My point is that he sure isn't the strongest Shinobi, but there's no reason to place as example Tsunade above this man, he truly was a genious, with incredible speed, knowledge, a bunch of Jutsu's. The man that fought Orochimaru and the Kages was merely an old geezer, aging is naturally so in his Prime he was like all people are in their youth, stronger. In my eyes the only Kage that's stronger than Hiruzen's Prime is Hashirama.
 

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Please stop with all the Hiruzen threads. It's ruining his character
 

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Hiruzen can suck D!
 

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Canonically speaking, Hiruzen is greater than SM Hashirama, so Prime Hiruzen is a top5 material even top-3 U_U
 

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The black text in this scan is added. It was never there.

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Also - "He was said to be the strongest. That doesn't make it true.
 

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- Iruka was giving him a compliment as he was standing right there.

- Those Anbu didn't even recognize the previous Hokage, let alone know their full potential. If they believed Hiruzen was aging then they would have thought Hashirama was sucking the biggest, blackest **** in the world in that fight.

-Kakuzu has that feat as well.
 

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Year 1999: Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage and God of Shinobi

Year 2011: Hashirama was called the strongest Shinobi of all time and God of Shinobi

Year 2013: Hashirama was called God of Shinobi and the best in front of Hiruzen numerous times and Hiruzen didn't say anything.

Conclusion: Kishi changed his mind and Hiruzen is all hype for now
 

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- Iruka was giving him a compliment as he was standing right there.

- Those Anbu didn't even recognize the previous Hokage, let alone know their full potential. If they believed Hiruzen was aging then they would have thought Hashirama was sucking the biggest, blackest **** in the world in that fight.

-Kakuzu has that feat as well
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Difference is that Kakuzu had a modified body. Hiruzen had a regular body and for him to master all 5 Elements through hard work is an amazing feat by itself. He's a genius after all.
 

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Hiruzen isn't top 20 with the feats he has displayed. With a little more screen time he would be, but stating he is not hype and then using hype to back up your arguments is rather ironic.
 
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Year 1999: Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage and God of Shinobi

Year 2011: Hashirama was called the strongest Shinobi of all time and God of Shinobi

Year 2013: Hashirama was called God of Shinobi and the best in front of Hiruzen numerous times and Hiruzen didn't say anything.

Conclusion: Kishi changed his mind and Hiruzen is all hype for now

Year 2011: When was he ever called strongest Shinobi of all time. That has never happened. He was stated to be the strongest of his time.

Year 2013. The Sage of the Six paths was also called God of Shinobi. You can have more than 1 guy with that name.
When in the entirety of Naruto was Hashirama given he title of the strongest hokage.
You show me that that then you have an argument.
Hiruzen has been given that. The only Hokage to be clearly stated to be the strongest.

Use facts for you arguments not opinions you LIKE to be true.
 

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Year 1999: Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage and God of Shinobi

Year 2011: Hashirama was called the strongest Shinobi of all time and God of Shinobi

Year 2013: Hashirama was called God of Shinobi and the best in front of Hiruzen numerous times and Hiruzen didn't say anything.

Conclusion: Kishi changed his mind and Hiruzen is all hype for now
This .
 

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the title God of Shinobi is not a title given to a winner. its a title given to the strongest shinobis. so Hashirama and Hiruzen were the strongest of their time and they were called God of Shinobi. Does it mean that Hiruzen is weak ? no.Hashirama was the strongest overall but followed by Hiruzen,Tobirama and Minato.

Why was Sage called God of Shinobi? his power? well, both his power and wish for peace. since Hiruzen is the 3rd God of Shinobi,he is certainly powerfull.

Why wasnt Minato called God of Shinobi? people knew of Minatos abilities and was a hero no doubt.Minato is better than Hiruzen IMO but the only people ever called God of Shinobi are Hashirama,Hiruzen and the sage.

so Hiruzen is not an ordinary shinobi i odnt know here to rank him but he is above most of the kages. hte only kages that rank ahead of him are Hashirama,Tobirama,Minato(may be) . he might have known sufficient medical ninjutsu.
 
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dude your adding to the hype by posting hype, the edo kages were fodders and got fodderized. Im not saying he's weak or anything but just most of his character is built on hype
 
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