My take on Hiruzen Hype Sarutobi!

[Mattek2008]

Evening! This is pretty much a generic Hiruzen thread, i will try to be unbaised, and not do too much overrating. Enjoy!

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As the Hokage, and the student of both Hashirama and Tobirama, Hiruzen was a Very strong Shinobi. I believe that he is Heavily underrated here on the base, he has even been called Jounin level and Low-Kage level at times.

It's a fact that Hiruzen in old age was very weak compared to his young self

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While being old, and way past his prime, he still managed to hold his own against Orochimaru and Two Reincarnated Hokage without losing composure. Ofcourse, i won't overlook the fact that Orochimaru was toying with him during almost the whole fight, but at the same time, Hiruzen was hesitating heavily at the start, and once he finally was determined to win, he was confident in his abilities and knew where he stood.

He managed to deflect attacks, while robbed of his eye sight, and his skill with Enma was great enough to seemingly overwhelm Orochimaru without much difficulty.

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Ninjutsu

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Hiruzen is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest of all time in terms of Ninjutsu.

He was the only known person to ever master all 5 Nature Transformations without a Kekkei Genkai to aid him.

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Him being an Edo Tensei surely benifited him here, but since he got revived as he was right before death, Old Hiruzen could replicate this feat (Although i think it would drain his Chakra levels to almost 0).

This greatley prooves that his Chakra was VERY strong,although he didn't have nearly as much as he did in his Prime.
The building also cracked once he released his chakra, similar to what Tobirama did, although at a smaller scale.

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He was also credited to knowing and being able to use all Ninjutsu within Konoha, excluding Kekkei Genkai techniques.
Here he seemingly uses the Inuzuka clans amplified sense of smell to find an opponent in complete darkness.

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Still fast, at Old Age!

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In terms of speed, his Shunshin was portrayed as being equal to Tobirama and Hashiramas

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He managed to react to, and semi-dodge an attack from Juubtio, one of the fastest characters shown in the manga

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Things to note and some Hype given to him by other characters

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Hiruzen was Nicknamed the Professor, and he was one of 3 who held the title God of Shinobi.

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At age 69, he was still the strongest among the 5 Kage.

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He was said to be the strongest out of all the Hokage (This one is really hard for me to accept, to be completly honest. I don't think that he is stronger than Hashirama.

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His time as Hokage, positives and Negatives

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Hiruzen was made Hokage at a very young age, somewhere inbetween 16-19 is what i think. He was also the longest reigning Hokage, so ofcourse he was bound to make some misstakes. The biggest ones were that he was way too compassionate, and let Danzo handle the Dark sides of the village (One topic of debate recently is if Danzo ever used Kotoamatsukami on Hiruzen, i for one believe this was the case)

His second one was not dealing with Orochimaru. This misstake got him killed in the end.

I still have to give him some credit, being Hokage for that long, he was bound to make some misstakes.

Conclusion

- I believe that Hiruzen is heavily underrated, yet at the same time Overrated here on the base. With this thread, i'm trying to establish why he is a very powerful ninja, worthy of praise and acknowledgement.

- In my opinion, he is on the same level as Minato and Tobirama, but they are all beneath Hashirama.

- Even in Old Age, he has been portrayed this way ,and shown to be able to compete with the big dogs.

- Hiruzen excelled in all forms of Shinobi combat.

I made this thread for fun, hope to hear some replies! It's fine to disagree, but please give some valid proof as to why you disagree , and if you like to point out anything i missed, please do so! I would appriciate it! Thanks!

 

[Jiraiyathesannin]

This is too unorganized of a bio man, good luck getting it approved though, you'll need it

 

[Mattek2008]

This is too unorganized of a bio man, good luck getting it approved though, you'll need it

It's not a bio, its just my take on him and his abilities..

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

He is decent. That's the best I would give him

 

[EmbraceNixFifty]

He is okay......

 

[Joon]

I understand why he was nickname "God of Shinobi". His mastery over the five elements. Duh. If you people don't get it, than it must be the ignorance.

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

Not bad....

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen is awesome. One of the reasons I make my threads on him is because people constantly call him "Fodder" or "Top 50" You made an excellent explanation on his abilities.
This thread is awesome
Your awesome Mattek2008
Hiruzen is awesome
Thread= 5+ Stars.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Hiruzen is a great character all-round, and is seriously underestimated by people that are either biased and/or are only impressed by bells and whistles.

Hiruzen, even old, is a top brass ninja. He's also one of the closest things we have to a ninja in a series about ninjas. His focus in combat is on skill and intelligence rather than just throwing around nukes, as what the series devolved into. Anyone else remember when there was a chakra limit, and more powerful jutsus had greater ramifications?

Anyway, he's taijutsu orientated and, as I said, uses skill and intelligence in battle; but taijutsu isn't magical enough to people, and they don't appreciate the power and versatility of Enma and his staff form.

He's also a ninjutsu master, capable of using all five elements, knows all the jutsus in Konoha, and has his arsenal of jutsus is over 1,000. He has also shown the ability to use jutsus that he has seen performed, as we saw with the advanced Reaper Death Seal. Yet, he uses what jutsus are necessary for the situation. That's especially something people don't appreciate about his character, and his fight against Orochimaru. He uses jutsus in a tactical way, while people are only impressed by characters playing jutsu dodgeball.

He's also a genjutsu master, so he always has that as an option. Also, while his strength and speed have diminished in his old age, his reflexes are still exceedingly sharp which he has shown against Orochimaru, Hashirama, Tobirama, and even Juubito.

His mind is also sharp, able to discern the machanics of a jutsu and is capable of devising countermeasures. Also, as I said, he doesn't waste a movement in battle and does what's necessary. Against Orochimaru, he used Dragon Napalm to try to hit all three at the same time, used Mudslide Wall for defense, used Enma for support, and used a Shadow Clone + Reaper Death Seal combo for the win. He didn't waste his time and chakra shooting all five elements just to show off.

Even in his old age, it was stated that he was stronger than Ei, Onoki, Yagura, Gaara Sr., and Danzo admitted inferiority even with his mods. Orochimaru also admitted that if Hiruzen were just at least 60 that Orochimaru wouldn't had stood a chance, and this was Orochimaru that even without arms was toying around with KN4 and was still more powerful than Hebi Sasuke.

It was shoved down out throats how weak he had gotten in his old age, his performance was called miserable by Enma, Orochimaru commented on how much Hiruzen was straining himself, the Anbu commented on how his chakra capacity decreased, and Hiruzen himself noted that he couldn't lift Enma as well as he used to. Despite that, even currently in the manga he's stilled called "One of the Strongest" in relation to Hashirama, Tobirama, and Minato.

Just how powerful was this guy in his prime?? There is a reason he inherited the "God of "Shinobi" from Hashirama.

 

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[Gein]

Hiruzen is top 10

 

[Zebstrika]

In terms of speed, his Shunshin was portrayed as being equal to Tobirama and Hashiramas

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In terms of speed, base Juugo's Shunshin was portrayed as being equal to Sasukes

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In terms of speed, Karin's shunshin was portrayed as being equal to a Sannin

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Are people so stupid that they believe things like this? Lol

 

[Royal Uchiha]

Hiruzen is top 10

This. He might not be the best, but that he got underestimated is as good as a fact, people overlook how he beat the first and second Hokage while fighting Oro although they weren't on full power. People are today like "if not Uchiha, just fodder".

 

[RicardoA]

In terms of speed, base Juugo's Shunshin was portrayed as being equal to Sasukes

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In terms of speed, Karin's shunshin was portrayed as being equal to a Sannin

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Are people so stupid that they believe things like this? Lol

In none of those scan there's a character mentioning shunshin...
The one provided by the OP shows an emergency situation where the Hokages were moving at maximum speed and allegedly used shunshin.
Minato arrived first and Tobirama commented on him having a faster shunshin. The fact that Hiruzen and the Senju bros arrived at the same time shows that their shunshin should at least be very close in speed because for them to at least keep up they would have to use shunshin as well. The fact that they arrived at the same time should leave no room for doubt.

OT: The title to this thread was misleading. This is basically a Hiruzen analysis.
I don't agree or disagree xD All i can say is that there're aspects about him that are underrated (chakra reserves/stamina, his taijutsu and Enma pole's destructive power), but at the end of the day he's still more hype than feats so... He never had a real battle where he went all out neither.

 

[Zebstrika]

In none of those scan there's a character mentioning shunshin...
The one provided by the OP shows an emergency situation where the Hokages were moving at maximum speed and allegedly used shunshin.
Minato arrived first and Tobirama commented on him having a faster shunshin. The fact that Hiruzen and the Senju bros arrived at the same time shows that their shunshin should at least be very close in speed because for them to at least keep up they would have to use shunshin as well. The fact that they arrived at the same time should leave no room for doubt.

Ah, so people are this stupid after all. Lol, keep it up it's rather entertaining.

 

[RicardoA]

Ah, so people are this stupid after all. Lol, keep it up it's rather entertaining.

Says Karin was portrayed to have the same speed as Orochimaru and shows a random scan of her arriving to the battlefield with him.
Calls someone stupid for thinking an Hokage can keep up with another Hokage because that's what happens in another scan, where shunshin is actually being adressed and compared.

The fact that you didn't even tried to prove me wrong and instead insulted me shows how immature you are and the lack of proper interpretation skills. I honestly don't encourage you to keep that up.