Clearing up some misconceptions

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There have been a few misconceptions regarding to Indra and Ashura that I felt I needed to make a thread about. Here's a few ones that i wanted to clear.

1. Some say Indra was more powerful than Ashura, and that Ashura needed others to battle against Ashura. NO.
This has been mirrored many times with Naruto. While Indra started with the advantage over his brother (sharingan, smarts, talent. aka Sasuke) and relied on his own power, Ashura wasnt gifted with that eventually with the help of others, and hard work, his power bloomed and was on par with Indra. (Naruto) Simple as that. They were equal in power, one through bonds and hardwork, the other, through natural talent and skill refined.

2. Some are saying Indra's Perfect susanoo is bigger than Ashura's "Bijumode." It is true. Indra's PS is indeed bigger.
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If you have a eye to detail, you will notice that Ashura and Indra's bodies are drawn the same exact size. Now compare the powers. "bijumode" is shown in its entirety. And notice the small dents around it, signifies that Ashura is either jumping, or dashing at Indra, meaning Ashura had to jump up to strike Indra at the head of Susanoo. Now For Perfect Susanoo. Again, Notice that Ashura's and Indra's bodies are the same size, yet indra is just shown in the head of susanoo not the full body. If if you can draw the rest of susanoo from that image or just image it, you will realize that susanoo is at least three or four times the size of "Bijumode". PS head is round the same size as Ashura's "bijumode"

3. Ashura's "bijumode" isnt bijumode. That is his original chakra, just as Susanoo is to Indra. It resembles no tailed beasts, and the tailed beast were never have been said to be sealed in Ashura. Hagoromo wanted the beasts to be able to run free, it was until recent times where ninja began sealing bijuu into people. Besides that, Ahsura's chakra has no tails, but more like a cape. Those arent bijuu bombs because ashura wasnt a jinchuuriki. Those are omydugan or whatever they are called..the same things Hagoromo, Juubito and Madara have. Since he is a direct relative to the sage, it makes sense he can use them. Also, it explains why Naruto's bijuu mode looks different that every other host. Whenever the host goes full bijuu, thats what it is, the full bijuu is out. But when Naruto does it, his chakra forms into kurama. Or should I say, Ashura's chakra forms into kurama. It could be because the bonds of the bijuu are what activate Ashura's powers. Without all 9, his power wont awaken. So instead Of Naruto being Bijumode, or Bijuu sage mode, it should be Ashura mode. Ashura Bijuu Mode, or Ashura Sage Mode, Ashura Bijuu Sage mode, ect.

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the sage just said depsite his power he did need others to help him fight it was indra vs all

Ashura got his power through fighting him with his friends and wanting to protect them but it doesnt say he 1v1 his own bro

it was like when madara 4 24 hrs fought the senju clan after gaining ems


But Ashura's Sage mode or whatever that is is Awesome
 
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What I'm gonna say isn't anything related to the post but on the manga if you go to chapter 409 page 4

The contract the naruto signed has 5 names which 3 being naruto,minato,and jiriya or whatever but who's are the other two name anyone care to explain ?
 

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naruto was never a hard worker.If it was not for the scroll he stolen from Hiruzen to learn the forbidden jutsu a.ka. shadow clone jutsu,he will not learn rasengan in less than a month,sage mode, and defeated kurama in his mind.Shadow clone get to where he is now along with plot protection from his friends and kurama who do most of the job(it kurama powers afterall)
 

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He practiced how to make his worst jutsu his best.
He trained for Sagemode
He trained to learn Rasengan and its variant.
He trained to use Kurama's powers.

Come again?
genius neji training to learn gentle fist
genius sasuke training to learn chidori, fireball and some other jutsu... training to learn jutsu not the same thing like hardwork.
 

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he was a hardworker till eh started using shadow clones to help him
 

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the sage just said depsite his power he did need others to help him fight it was indra vs all

Ashura got his power through fighting him with his friends and wanting to protect them but it doesnt say he 1v1 his own bro

it was like when madara 4 24 hrs fought the senju clan after gaining ems


But Ashura's Sage mode or whatever that is is Awesome

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Sage said he achieved the same powers as his brother.
The reason it shows all those ppl behind him is kind of like how it shows everyone behind Naruto but nobody behind obito.
Possible that it took Everyone VS Indra, but if they had the same power, or were on par, the extra help would have been overkill. Madara didnt fight the senju clan alone. Hashirama and Tobirama together would have killed him easily. Senju had them beat.
 

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Dont comapre genius like Neji who has Hyuuga blood, and Sasuke who has uchiha blood to someone like Naruto who had no special bloodline. For them catching on things were easy, for naruto he had to repeatedly try again and again to finally get it right, trainng is a part of hardwork...if you dont apply hardwork to training, then you will never get any real trainng done.
 

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There was no need to makes this, everyone knows
 

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learn a-rank jutsu in one night looks like hardwork. =D

Thanks to shadowclones, its was possible, but shadowclones werent just handed to him.

Sharingan copy any jutsu without even trying, hard work..lol.

There was no need to makes this, everyone knows

you dont even realize how wrong you are.
 
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Nice thread. I agree
 

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naruto was never a hard worker.If it was not for the scroll he stolen from Hiruzen to learn the forbidden jutsu a.ka. shadow clone jutsu,he will not learn rasengan in less than a month,sage mode, and defeated kurama in his mind.Shadow clone get to where he is now along with plot protection from his friends and kurama who do most of the job(it kurama powers afterall)

So u mean to say he just read the scroll and ta daaaaa kage bunshin??.. Noooooo!! Watch the 1st episode where iruka realizes after stealing the scroll he had been practising the jutsu the whole time. If u guys say that naruto isn't a hard worker, then wats the point of watching naruto or reading the manga. Go read the manga called Sasuke then (if it exists). U r wasting ur time here...
 

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Dont comapre genius like Neji who has Hyuuga blood, and Sasuke who has uchiha blood to someone like Naruto who had no special bloodline. For them catching on things were easy, for naruto he had to repeatedly try again and again to finally get it right, trainng is a part of hardwork...if you dont apply hardwork to training, then you will never get any real trainng done.
for example watch episode which called father and son where sasuke take few days to learn fireball jutsu
 

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So u mean to say he just read the scroll and ta daaaaa kage bunshin??.. Noooooo!! Watch the 1st episode where iruka realizes after stealing the scroll he had been practising the jutsu the whole time. If u guys say that naruto isn't a hard worker, then wats the point of watching naruto or reading the manga. Go read the manga called Sasuke then (if it exists). U r wasting ur time here...

After naruto stole the scroll,hiruzen immediately send shinobi after him .Naruto did not get time practise it but he read it.
 

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Dont comapre genius like Neji who has Hyuuga blood, and Sasuke who has uchiha blood to someone like Naruto who had no special bloodline. For them catching on things were easy, for naruto he had to repeatedly try again and again to finally get it right, trainng is a part of hardwork...if you dont apply hardwork to training, then you will never get any real trainng done.

manga fact sauske and neji were still hardworkers neji dads death drove him to train and become a top genin

sasuke strove to be better thna itachi and noticed by his dad who only focused on itachi most of the time and then the massacre he strove to get stronger and kill itachi so guess what they trained and were smart
 

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real difference between neji and naruto that naruto show his talent later
 

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naruto was never a hard worker.If it was not for the scroll he stolen from Hiruzen to learn the forbidden jutsu a.ka. shadow clone jutsu,he will not learn rasengan in less than a month,sage mode, and defeated kurama in his mind.Shadow clone get to where he is now along with plot protection from his friends and kurama who do most of the job(it kurama powers afterall)
It took him almost all night to learn it.
He learned rasnegan after practicing it all day to the point of exhaustion
Sage mode took him a long time too.
He defeated kurama after years of training, its not like he defeated kurama as a kid no diff. He actually would have lost to kurama if it werent for Kushina.

Its not called plot protection, the things that happen in this story are happening because they are supposed to. Its like saying the reason you are still alive right typing on this forum now is due to plot. Or the reason why the sun hasnt exploded on our earth is due to plot.
 
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