The Truth Behind 4th Shinobi War

[SkyGodHorus]

Well hello guys I have figured something out.

Tobriama is the start of 4th Shinobi War
If it wasn't for Tobriama killing Izuna
Putting the Uchiha as the police force
None of Thiis Would Happoen.

-Madara and Hashirama would still be friends.
-Obito wouldn't have gone crazy
-Rin still be alive
-There'd be no Akatsuki
-Itachi would not have to kill his Clan
Nine-Tails attack wouldn't have attacked village
-Kushina, Minato, Jiraya, Neji Shikaku, Inochi and other people still be alive.
Sasuke would have never left fthe village and there would be more Uchihas
Tsunade wouldn't have become Hokage
There's a lot more other things these are the things I can mention for now.

Madara left the village from what I see primarily because he refused to be in the senju's shadow and wanted to be leader of Konoha rather than letting the people decide. Before that, even after Izuna's death, he made peace with Hashirama. And he acquired his god complex and lost his mind by reading the Uchiha tablet that Indra left.

Tobirama had nothing to do Obito with becoming antagonistic. That was the mist village using Rin and forcing Kakashi to kill her.

No, there would probably be no Akatsuki. Instead, we'd probably have a tyranical Uchiha ruling the world with an Iron fist like Pein did with the hidden Rain and and Kaguya did in her time, and in place of Akatsuki, there'd be a huge rebellion of villages and clans, still enacting another world war.

Tobirama stated the whole reason he pushed the Uchiha out of the village was because they were becoming antagonistic and following Madara's and Indra's ideals again. If he had left them inside, it probably would have only hastened and convenienced their coup.

Madara attacked Konoha because he was jealous of Hashirama and mad that his clan rejected him. Obito attacked it because he blamed it for Rin's death, thus Tobirama had no influences over those characters' deaths.

Tsunade became Hokage because Hiruzen was killed by Orochimaru. Now you're getting waaaaay off.

 

[AshuraTheGreat]

Madara left the village from what I see primarily because he refused to be in the senju's shadow and wanted to be leader of Konoha rather than letting the people decide. Before that, even after Izuna's death, he made peace with Hashirama. And he acquired his god complex and lost his mind by reading the Uchiha tablet that Indra left.

Tobirama had nothing to do Obito becoming antagonistic. That was the mist village using Rin and forcing Kakashi to kill her.

No, there would probably be no Akatsuki. Instead, we'd probably have a tyranical Uchiha ruling the world with an Iron fist like Pein did with the hidden Rain and in place of Akatsuki, there'd be a huge rebellion of villages and clans, still enacting another world war.

Tobirama stated the whole reason he pushed the Uchiha out of the village was becasue they were becoming antagonistic and following Madara's and Indra's ideals again. If he had left them inside, it probably would have only sped up and convenienced their coup.

Madara attacked Konoha because he was jealous of Hashirama and mad that his clan rejected him. Obito attacked it because he blamed it for Rin's death thus Tobirama had no influences over those characters' deaths.

Tsunade became Hokage because Hiruzen was killed by Orochimaru. Now you're getting waaaaay off.

Totally agreed..

 

[Zakler2k9]

hashi should kill tobirama back then in flashback...before uchiha and senju unite

 

[minamoto]

Tobirama created Edotensei wich was a very bad mistake...becuz of edotensei..kabuto was able to revive uchiha Madara...becuz of edotensei...3rd hokage was killed...

 

[jsss]

kaguya eating the fruit

this .

 

[xZonda]

Pfff , you are all wrong!!!

It's because all of them wanted Hashirama's wood!!

 

[MadaraTheShinobiGod]

If all this didn't happen then we won't have a series. If we did I wonder what would happen...could be interesting.

 

[kakacarrotcake]

Actuully Madara would not have done this if Izuna died. Izuna's death changed Madara. Madara became bitter and vengeful toward the Senju, causing him to embrace his clan's Curse of Hatred. Madara's corruption damaged his relationship with Hashirama, leading him to oppose the truce offered to him because his rival still had a sibling while Madara had lost all of his.

 

[Hokage Jay]

Madara left the village from what I see primarily because he refused to be in the senju's shadow and wanted to be leader of Konoha rather than letting the people decide. Before that, even after Izuna's death, he made peace with Hashirama. And he acquired his god complex and lost his mind by reading the Uchiha tablet that Indra left.

Tobirama had nothing to do Obito with becoming antagonistic. That was the mist village using Rin and forcing Kakashi to kill her.

No, there would probably be no Akatsuki. Instead, we'd probably have a tyranical Uchiha ruling the world with an Iron fist like Pein did with the hidden Rain and and Kaguya did in her time, and in place of Akatsuki, there'd be a huge rebellion of villages and clans, still enacting another world war.

Tobirama stated the whole reason he pushed the Uchiha out of the village was because they were becoming antagonistic and following Madara's and Indra's ideals again. If he had left them inside, it probably would have only hastened and convenienced their coup.

Madara attacked Konoha because he was jealous of Hashirama and mad that his clan rejected him. Obito attacked it because he blamed it for Rin's death, thus Tobirama had no influences over those characters' deaths.

Tsunade became Hokage because Hiruzen was killed by Orochimaru. Now you're getting waaaaay off.

First lets talk about Hashirama and Madara.
In the Manga Hashirama and Madara when they were little they were best friends. But when Madaras father and Hashirama's father found out that an UChiha and Senju were friends they decided to attack each other. Madara and Hashirama didn't want to fight. Tobriama attacked Izuna and Madara was mad at Hashirama because of Tobriamas doings and then that day became the end of their Friendship. Madara wanted revenge on Hashirama because Tobriama killed Izuna. If Tobriama hadn't killed Izuna Madara and Hashirama would be friends right now and they'd both be dead.
And Eye Of the Moon plan would never exist.

Tobriama created Edo-Tensei. A Justu what was used to bring back Madara and other Badass people.
Obito would be dead.
Obito dead means no Nine-Tails attack on the village and Minato would be alive and no use of a 5th Hokage

 

[EVlL]

exactly. to be fair he's not that wrong, but the part where he put uchiha near the corner of konoha (almost in the outside) is the worst part.

like sasuke said, he seems to fear uchiha

 

[Hokage Jay]

exactly. to be fair he's not that wrong, but the part where he put uchiha near the corner of konoha (almost in the outside) is the worst part.

like sasuke said, he seems to fear uchiha

True. Ikr he put the Uchiha aside that is what mainly caused mist of this

 

[Hokage Jay]

Tobriama is the cost for everything mostly going on now

 

[SkyGodHorus]

First lets talk about Hashirama and Madara.
In the Manga Hashirama and Madara when they were little they were best friends. But when Madaras father and Hashirama's father found out that an UChiha and Senju were friends they decided to attack each other. Madara and Hashirama didn't want to fight. Tobriama attacked Izuna and Madara was mad at Hashirama because of Tobriamas doings and then that day became the end of their Friendship.

Incorrect. Izuna attacked at the same exact time as Tobirama. Same as in their final fight as adults when Tobirama slashed him. And prior to that, Hashirama and Tobirama's brother, Itama was ruthlessly killed by a party of six adult Uchiha shinobi.

Madara wanted revenge on Hashirama because Tobriama killed Izuna.

If Madara did not want his brother to die, he should not have let him fight in the war. And Madara did not start this entire war simply because Izuna died. Four of his other brothers died prior to Izuna and Madara made peace and formed Konoha with Hashirama after Izuna's death. He left Konoha and instigated this war because he lost to Hashirama, felt subjugated by the Senju, read the Uchiha stone that revealed the origins of ninjutsu and was rejected by his clan.

If Tobriama hadn't killed Izuna Madara and Hashirama would be friends right now and they'd both be dead.
And Eye Of the Moon plan would never exist.

Izuna played no part in Madara's ideals and even if he had survived, I believe Madara still would have felt subjugated, still would have been rejected by his clan, still would have fought Hashirama and lost. And do not dogmatically state things would have happened and did happen when they never did. It agitates me.

Tobriama created Edo-Tensei. A Justu what was used to bring back Madara and other Badass people.

And edo tensei allowed Itachi to come back to influence Sasuke again as well as revive the hokages and save the alliance from Obito. Sorry, but things aren't the black and white you comprehend them as.

Obito would be dead.

And thus Naruto would be dead.

Obito dead means no Nine-Tails attack on the village and Minato would be alive and no use of a 5th Hokage

Assuming Madara would not have found another Uchiha to oversee his plans after he died since he had already organized them, obtained the Rinnegan and gave it to Nagato.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

exactly. to be fair he's not that wrong, but the part where he put uchiha near the corner of konoha (almost in the outside) is the worst part.

like sasuke said, he seems to fear uchiha

True. Ikr he put the Uchiha aside that is what mainly caused mist of this

Tobirama pushed them out of the village because as he stated, they were beginning to adopt Madara's ideals again. Had he left them inside, it may have sped up and convenienced their coup.

Tobriama is the cost for everything mostly going on now

Incorrect. Both the Uchiha and Senju are equally to blame for what is going on.

 

[naru998]

so u are basically trying to blame a character(who does not exist in real life) for starting a war which did not happen in real life......why not blame kishi who thought of this manga

 

[Hokage Jay]

If Tobriama didn't create Edo-Tensei Madara the main threat would not be alive. And Obito and Kabuto would not have an Edo-army..
If
When Hadhirama was little Tobriama told their dad Hashirama had an Uchiha friend which angered the Dad, causing him to attack Uchiha and get them into that little dispute . So basically if Tobriama did not tell their father Hashirama and Madara would be dead right now and none of this would have ever happened.
Obito would be crushed which means no 9 tails attack, because madara could care less about Project Tsimoki

 

[Hokage Jay]

That Edo aka Itachi would not have to leave the village because and kill his own clan because the Uchihas would have peace with the village Itachi at the village means no crazy Sasuke murdering.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

If Tobriama didn't create Edo-Tensei Madara the main threat would not be alive. And Obito and Kabuto would not have an Edo-army..

Without Edo Tensei, they would not have been able revive the hokages and wouldn't have been able to defeat Obito or survive his and the Juubi's attacks.

When Hadhirama was little Tobriama told their dad Hashirama had an Uchiha friend which angered the Dad, causing him to attack Uchiha and get them into that little dispute . So basically if Tobriama did not tell their father Hashirama and Madara would be dead right now and none of this would have ever happened.

Incorrect. Madara's father was also on to Madara meeting Hashirama. That was how they showed up and that was why Madara's stone also had a message stating it was a trap. His father exclaimed when both parties showed up, "Ah, so you had the same idea too."

Obito would be crushed which means no 9 tails attack, because madara could care less about Project Tsimoki

Edo Tensei has nothing to do with Old Madara or Obito being crushed.

That Edo aka Itachi would not have to leave the village because and kill his own clan because the Uchihas would have peace with the village Itachi at the village means no crazy Sasuke murdering.

You are assuming Madara would still have not felt subjugated if Izuna had lived. Is that right? Wrong. As I stated, Madara and the Uchiha made a truce with Hashirama and founded the hidden leaf even after Izuna was killed. Madara felt subjugated by the Senju because he and the clan lost to them, because they were not in control of the village and because the clan began rejecting him when he complained about it. After he left, over the years, they began to adapt to his ideals and became antagonistic again and that was why Tobirama pushed them out, because he feared a coup would happen, which it eventually did. He gave them authority over Konoha's law and order but that was not enough for them because they wished to control the village, paralleling Indra's ideal of power to protect the people rather than love like the Senju.

Technically, Sasuke has never murdered anyone. The samurai attacked him after he warned them not to.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Let's see what Tobirama has to say about this.

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[flyboyissac]

Kamma-kaga

Did it all she ate the fruit and start raping everything