EMS is NOT borrowed power

[shelke]

Boohoo, Naruto had no friends at school. End of the world as we know it, because we all know that socialization means everything. If only Narutoverse has had facebook and twitter. Problem solved for Naruto. Because all he ever wanted ... were friends.

 

[TrollingSage]

To even unlock MS you first have to lose what is most dearest to you then you get to be blind on top of it.
In particular case of sasuke he overpayed for his MS as he lost whole clan aside of itachi.

Further more uchiha were already outcast and hated for their power and hunted by likes of danzo, as they were percieved as extreame threat.

Still no comparison

At that time naruto was half possed by fox already: his stance on hands and legs like animal, extreame rage and use of chakra arms/roars he had no clue of.

I wouldnt count it as a loss to naruto as much as to kurama possesing him.

I am not sure how true that is. Obito used his power to pass through the rocks even before Rin was killed.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I am not sure how true that is. Obito used his power to pass through the rocks even before Rin was killed.

But as we all know it was 2T not MS.
Yet it would be half exception out of other 6 MS users.

Meanwhile we know that neither mito nor kushina, maybe oven few other jin were being hated and outcast, this particular result affected naruto and all others that possed a biju after it's attack on a village.
So the hate to the jins was indirect while the hate to uchiha had no place for error.

 

[Dantee]

So basically you're saying that Sasuke's advantage is that he can freely be a jerk...... nice. That would totally be considered superior.
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What I'm saying is that it fits with the reincarnations if Naruto is using powers that do not belong to him.

 

[TrollingSage]

But as we all know it was 2T not MS.
Yet it would be half exception out of other 6 MS users.

Meanwhile we know that neither mito nor kushina, maybe oven few other jin were being hated and outcast, this particular result affected naruto and all others that possed a biju after it's attack on a village.
So the hate to the jins was indirect while the hate to uchiha had no place for error.

I didnt see any sign of hatred for the Uchihas from any of the villagers. The hatred was probably limited to the elders and Danzo. Sasuke was mostly admired and respected.

 

[Dantee]

Boohoo, Naruto had no friends at school. End of the world as we know it, because we all know that socialization means everything. If only Narutoverse has had facebook and twitter. Problem solved for Naruto. Because all he ever wanted ... were friends.

Good point if instagram was real Naruto would never be determined to be acknowledged.

 

[TrollKing]

I didnt see any sign of hatred for the Uchihas from any of the villagers. The hatred was probably limited to the elders and Danzo. Sasuke was mostly admired and respected.

Because if kid naruto went nuts, no one in the village could stop him(even kages had to die trying)

 

[shelke]

Good point if instagram was real Naruto would never be determined to be acknowledged.

Then "I want to become Hokage" would have been a group on facebook.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I didnt see any sign of hatred for the Uchihas from any of the villagers. The hatred was probably limited to the elders and Danzo. Sasuke was mostly admired and respected.

You got it the other way around. Sasuke was admired by kids but the kids were not involved in village politics.

It is well known that kids can be programmed to any liking by the adults.
Its manga stated that the hate and distrust was aimed at uchiha by the village.
When sasuke would grow up he would be forced to pick a side, those kids that once admired him to keep that way or his blood and family.

Other villages didnt specifically hated uchiha but they feared them and fear too often leads to hate.

 

[Solo]

You got it the other way around. Sasuke was admired by kids but the kids were not involved in village politics.

It is well known that kids can be programmed to any liking by the adults.
Its manga stated that the hate and distrust was aimed at uchiha by the village.
When sasuke would grow up he would be forced to pick a side, those kids that once admired him to keep that way or his blood and family.

Other villages didnt specifically hated uchiha but they feared them and fear too often leads to hate.

After the clan was wiped out, they had no reason to be suspicious of the Uchiha anymore. Sasuke was actually admired throughout the village. He was the branded the "#1 Rookie" in the village. They had expectations of him.

 

[AlphaScythian]

After the clan was wiped out, they had no reason to be suspicious of the Uchiha anymore. Sasuke was actually admired throughout the village. He was the branded the "#1 Rookie" in the village. They had expectations of him.

What i meant is kids simply dont count.
Itachi too was admired hailed and shit in the end it was either village or uchiha.
Same would happen with sasuke if uchiha massacre wouldnt happen, in the end sasuke still had to choose from same options.

 

[Solo]

What i meant is kids simply dont count.
Itachi too was admired hailed and shit in the end it was either village or uchiha.
Same would happen with sasuke if uchiha massacre wouldnt happen, in the end sasuke still had to choose from same options.

It depends. No one know for sure what would have happen if the Uchiha were wiped out. Like Itachi said, Sasuke could have possibly changed the Uchiha, Mother, and Father.

The Uchiha were never hated though. Not like the Jinchuriki hate. They felt discriminated in political matters. That's why Itachi told Naruto not to tell the others the truth, to keep the Uchiha's name/reputation.

 

[Ovan]

At the end of the day. It's no one power. The tree want's it stuff back.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It depends. No one know for sure what would have happen if the Uchiha were wiped out. Like Itachi said, Sasuke could have possibly changed the Uchiha, Mother, and Father.

The Uchiha were never hated though. Not like the Jinchuriki hate. They felt discriminated in political matters. That's why Itachi told Naruto not to tell the others the truth, to keep the Uchiha's name/reputation.

It was manga stated "the one's that control crime tend to be hated"

It's as simple as **** police expression, 99% people i know neither trust nor like police thus love has no grounds and hate is soon born.

 

[leagen]

that means that the kurama chakra isn't borrowed either for it states that with the intention of giving it back
Naruto aren't gonna/can't give it back
so not borrowed power
of cause according to your logic

 

[lucario14]

At the end of the day. It's no one power. The tree want's it stuff back.

Basically this. The only way naruto was ever going to be remotely close to the same level as sasuke is if he had kyuubi sealed inside him.

That being said both had to work hard to use these powers to the extent that's on display in this war arc.

 

[Nebula]

Sasuke doesn't use his own power now anyway.
Sage gave him power instead of just giving it to ashura.

 

[lucario14]

Sasuke doesn't use his own power now anyway.
Sage gave him power instead of just giving it to ashura.

Nah he gave power to both. Why would he give power to only one he said he didn't want to repeat past mistakes, when he only acknowledged ashura in the beginning.

 

[LeSauce]

that means that the kurama chakra isn't borrowed either for it states that with the intention of giving it back
Naruto aren't gonna/can't give it back
so not borrowed power
of cause according to your logic

Kurama get's his chakra back.

 

[TrollKing]

Kurama get's his chakra back.

Kurama always in control, he's just "sharing" his chakara with naruto.