[Theory] Madara's Ultimate trumpcard = a Shocking truth = Obito is Madara !!

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Wow you do have high expectations, well in the very,very, VERY unlike case, this scenarion comes true, I will be the first to congratulate you.

P.S Clever way of thinking, when you can't fight back, then stay silent till you can (if you can).
-Dude ...what kestions do you want me to answer you just sum them up..dont write me wall of text plz
 

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-Dude ...what kestions do you want me to answer you just sum them up..dont write me wall of text plz
You really considered that a wall text while your own theory was way bigger O_O? Ok let's make it short, the panel you provided by no means proves that in order to use rinnei tensei you have to do it your own free will, it only proves that once you use it, you die. Therefeore what you say in your theory as a conlusion is invalid about the reasoing behind Madara's choice not to force Obito into reviving him. For that reason I'll ask again, since something like has no basis, why didn't Madara forced Obito from the beginning since according to you he could control him?
 

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This is a very well-thought out theory; it's a little far fetched though; extremely far fetched.

I know Madara is the smartest man in the NV, but this is a whole new level of badass that I don't think anyone in the NV is smart enough to orchestrate.
 

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I would like to also add another question: we know for a fact that only zetsu alone can move through the ground, correct? If supposedly Spiral Zetsu was indeed inside of Obito, then how the next second he could appear by using another person as his vessel who must be Yamato? To do that he would have to travel the normal methods since Yamato is another living being and it's simply impossible to think that he could do it in such a short time while that fight in fact had already begun at alliance's side and it's simply impossible to think that in that short amount Spiral just took control of a fodder guy off panel.
 

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You really considered that a wall text while your own theory was way bigger O_O? Ok let's make it short, the panel you provided by no means proves that in order to use rinnei tensei you have to do it your own free will, it only proves that once you use it, you die. Therefeore what you say in your theory as a conlusion is invalid about the reasoing behind Madara's choice not to force Obito into reviving him. For that reason I'll ask again, since something like has no basis, why didn't Madara forced Obito from the beginning since according to you he could control him?
-ok i already explained this in my thread but nvm....listen..according to naruto manga in order for one to be rinnetenseid, another rinnegan user must throw away his life to revive that dead....this is why madara gave his precious eyes (rinnegan) to nagato , so that nagato revives madara properly....ok now listen well....old madara died..but his other part tobidara was inside obito controlling him....so when tobi implanted the rinnegan into his eye...the masked man will throw way his life on edomadara to revive him..and becuz tobimadara is none then madara, tobimadara can't revive his other part (edomadara with rinnetensei)...so tobidara was clever and let obito act by his free will, so that edomadara use the chakra rodes and force obito revive him with rinnetensei no jutsu...this process wont happen untill obito gets exausted wich would make it easy for madara to controll obito...ALSO...if tobimadara took full controll over obito's body from the begining, everyone would find out madara's ultimate secret...and madara's secret to make obito revive him with rinnetensei will fail....
 

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I would like to also add another question: we know for a fact that only zetsu alone can move through the ground, correct? If supposedly Spiral Zetsu was indeed inside of Obito, then how the next second he could appear by using another person as his vessel who must be Yamato? To do that he would have to travel the normal methods since Yamato is another living being and it's simply impossible to think that he could do it in such a short time while that fight in fact had already begun at alliance's side and it's simply impossible to think that in that short amount Spiral just took control of a fodder guy off panel.
-the man inside spiral zetsu is tobidara ...tobi is madara +obito+spiral zetsu but the dominant tobi is madara..ITS NOT YAMATO WHO IS INSIDE SPIRAL ZETSU...now im pretty sure you didn't read my entire thread wich dosnt give you the right to counterargument me !!
 

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-the man inside spiral zetsu is tobidara ...tobi is madara +obito+spiral zetsu but the dominant tobi is madara..ITS NOT YAMATO WHO IS INSIDE SPIRAL ZETSU...now im pretty sure you didn't read my entire thread wich dosnt give you the right to counterargument me !!
Lol so wait, you're saying that the man who is fighting right now against the alliance inside of spiral zetsu is Obito or madara, the ones who are some kilometres away?

And as for the post above you, what I'm trying to prove is that your logic has flaws and here's why. While you suggest that all this time Madara was dead, he could supposedly control him because of the part of his soul that he put inside of him, now you say that if he was to try to take full control over Obito's body in order to force him into reviving him, the latter would resist while according to you, a tobimadara or whatever you call it was the dominant power inside of him the whole time. Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying. Also, I know exactly how rinnei tensei works, the difference is that you also added a condtion which has derived from your interpratetion, the one I proved invalid to my previous big reply, that rinnei tensei can only only be by one's free will, something which is completely fallacious.

Another thing, you say that madara's plan to revive himself would fail yet you don't give any reason at all for that, it's just a baseless conclusion of yours. Since madara, according to you could control Obito all this time, then with same ease he should have been able to force him into reviving him while there was no danger for him yet, for instance let's say even before alliance's arrival, right when the Juubi was first revived.
 

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Lol so wait, you're saying that the man who is fighting right now against the alliance inside of spiral zetsu is Obito or madara, the ones who are some kilometres away?

And as for the post above you, what I'm trying to prove is that your logic has flaws and here's why. While you suggest that all this time Madara was dead, he could supposedly control him because of the part of his soul that he put inside of him, now you say that if he was to try to take full control over Obito's body in order to force him into reviving him, the latter would resist while according to you, a tobimadara or whatever you call it was the dominant power inside of him the whole time. Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying. Also, I know exactly how rinnei tensei works, the difference is that you also added a condtion which has derived from your interpratetion, the one I proved invalid to my previous big reply, that rinnei tensei can only only be by one's free will, something which is completely fallacious.

Another thing, you say that madara's plan to revive himself would fail yet you don't give any reason at all for that, it's just a baseless conclusion of yours. Since madara, according to you could control Obito all this time, then with same ease he should have been able to force him into reviving him while there was no danger for him yet, for instance let's say even before alliance's arrival, right when the Juubi was first revived.
- dude pllzz read the god damn thread!!!..i said spiral zetsu along the man inside him (2nd madara) emerged from obito's body after naruto extracted the bijuus from obitos body...now they finally got separated from obitos body
 

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- dude pllzz read the god damn thread!!!..i said spiral zetsu along the man inside him (2nd madara) emerged from obito's body after naruto extracted the bijuus from obitos body...now they finally got separated from obitos body
I completely understood your thread and don't need of a second read. You on the other hand if you were reading my posts carefully and trying to be more into subject instead of answering to what you think I said you would have avoid a lot of tiime instead of giving me inaccurate or competely off subject answers. I lost interest in your thread, you want to believe that you're right and that your theory will come into fruition? So be it, it's really hard trying to explain things over and over again just because someone can't understand you, it's not worth my time nor my patience. But other times, don't ask for others' opinions, to do that you have to have the capacity to see things from their side and this a quality that you greatly lack since most of the time you couldn't even follow the flow of my questions and were only answering to some of them and that only because I was practically forcing you by being repetitive.
 

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I completely understood your thread and don't need of a second read. You on the other hand if you were reading my posts carefully and trying to be more into subject instead of answering to what you think I said you would have avoid a lot of tiime instead of giving me inaccurate or competely off subject answers. I lost interest in your thread, you want to believe that you're right and that your theory will come into fruition? So be it, it's really hard trying to explain things over and over again just because someone can't understand you, it's not worth my time nor my patience. But other times, don't ask for others' opinions, to do that you have to have the capacity to see things from their side and this a quality that you greatly lack since most of the time you couldn't even follow the flow of my questions and were only answering to some of them and that only because I was practically forcing you by being repetitive.
-you said you lost interest in my thread that means you were intersetd in it...anyway...your counterarguments are weak...you are in level of Genin...bring me some1 who has badass brain ....also calm down homie...why dont you just wait for few chapters 6 or 7 befor tobidara get revealed instead of making all this nonusefull stuff
 

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I rally have to say that this theory is really good !
It could happen because we still dont know how Madara exactly survived the fight with Hashirama!! And since the chakra of the elder sons can reincarnate in other peson's then why not Madaras ? Maybe someone thaught him this ? We still dont now the reason how Madara absorbed all these Ninjutsu without eyes!! But i mean i still dont see that happening... :sweat:
 

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I would laugh so hard if your theory fails. Come on dude. Don't take the manga seriously. You just can't accept Tobi = Obito. Move on dude. Stop this stupid theory, it does not help the manga. Come on, have a life.
 

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-you said you lost interest in my thread that means you were intersetd in it...anyway...your counterarguments are weak...you are in level of Genin...bring me some1 who has badass brain ....also calm down homie...why dont you just wait for few chapters 6 or 7 befor tobidara get revealed instead of making all this nonusefull stuff
Lol I was interested because I thought, naively, that I could have a serious conversation. In any case, iwhat kind of nonsense is that with the genin stuff? How old are? 10?
 

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Lol I was interested because I thought, naively, that I could have a serious conversation. In any case, iwhat kind of nonsense is that with the genin stuff? How old are? 10?
no there's no conversation now im busy making new thread to explain why madara was able to use susano without eyes...why dont you just make your own reasponse thread to mine..or if you feel its not worth..then just wait for the tobidara reveal ok?...
 

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no there's no conversation now im busy making new thread to explain why madara was able to use susano without eyes...why dont you just make your own reasponse thread to mine..or if you feel its not worth..then just wait for the tobidara reveal ok?...
Except that its not going to be revealed, Tobi isn't Madara, this theory is dead and buried.

Tobi is Obito deal with it.
 

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Except that its not going to be revealed, Tobi isn't Madara, this theory is dead and buried.

Tobi is Obito deal with it.
It still seems plausible to me; it would explain a couple of things, like why "Tobi" acted as he did when he was still Deidara's partner (he did act a lot like Zetsu or Guruguru).
 
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