Indra no longer seems to have Spiral Rinnegan, and it makes more sense

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For a long time, we knew that the elder son had a spiral Rinnegan. In the last chapter, however, it was revealed he had a normal Sharingan. Now originally, the idea of Spiral Rinnegan made sense, for these reasons:

1. If the elder son had a Spiral Rinnegan, than the original Rinnegan obviously degraded over a single generation. This meant that future generations experienced even more degraded versions, eventually leading to the Sharingan.

2. If the degradation theory was correct, than spiral Rinnegan makes for a fitting transition stage.

However, this theory had essential problems to it:

1. If the Rinnegan took multiple generations to become sharingan, than the sage or the elder son might not have lived to see the Sharingan in existence.

2. If neither of them ever saw it, how could they write a tablet explaining how to progress it back to Rinnegan?

With it now known Indra had Sharingan, it solves this essential problem:


1. Indra obviously found some way to progress the sharingan to Rinnegan, starting with the MS. He could have easily obtained MS by emotionally reacting to his brother's sudden rise in power. As long as he gained access to EMS after that, he could get Rinnegan.

2. The sage's brother might have had sharingan-using offspring or perhaps the elder son had sons of his own with sharingan. Either way, there is enough possible people involved to create one or more pairs of EMS.

3. Indra finding a way to get the full Rinnegan would explain how and why the tablet describes methods for achieving Rinnegan from a base Sharingan.


To summarize, I feel that the elder son possibly NEVER HAD SPIRAL RINNEGAN TO BEGIN WITH, KISHI LIKELY OMMITED IT FROM HIS MANGA ENTIRELY
. Not having Spiral Rinnegan actually makes better sense to the story since Rinngan progression goes straight from EMS to Rinnegan, with no Spiral Rinnegan stage. Indra having Sharingan actually explains how the tablet could have been written explaining how to progress Sharingan to Rinnegan within the Sage's and the elder son's lifetime. Indra's potential offspring or even the sage's brother's offspring could have provided the means to one or more pairs of EMS down the line. Indra could have easily achieved MS through emotions suffered from seeing his weak brother progress to his level in such a short span of time.

Edit: Further proof the spiral might never have existed (credit to Vergilius for this one):

Obviously back when the Spiral Rinnegan was shown, we didn't know that the Sharingan could indeed become Rinnegan. So what Kishi was likely doing with that panel was showing us that the elder son had a DIFFERENT doujutsu than his father. He simply wanted to show the difference between his and his father's eyes but did not yet want to reveal it was Sharingan. Again, just more proof that the spiral Rinnegan perhaps never existed in the first place.

Thoughts, comments, concerns, suggestions? Please be nice :)
 
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the only issue i have with it is the ems, is it really neccessary for the rinnegan? because there is no way he could have the ems without ome stupid plot assistence.
 

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......................Bro theirs a reason it evolved
Would you like to expand on that? -_-

I think he may have spiral rinnegan. A very advanced form of MS .
Not likely because Spiral Rinnegan is not part of the progression. Is it that hard to believe that Kishi would omit it from his manga entirely?

the only issue i have with it is the ems, is it really neccessary for the rinnegan? because there is no way he could have the ems without ome stupid plot assistence.
Indra's sons or the sage's brother's sons.
 

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the only issue i have with it is the ems, is it really neccessary for the rinnegan? because there is no way he could have the ems without ome stupid plot assistence.
Of course not, the EMS is just an Eternal Mangekyou, assuming an MS user obtained the "senju" powers he could also get the rinnegan, it makes enough sense.
 

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Would you like to expand on that? -_-



Not likely because Spiral Rinnegan is not part of the progression. Is it that hard to believe that Kishi would omit it from his manga entirely?



Indra's sons or the sage's brother's sons.
Easy because in all my past you know theories everyone agreed on the fact the Hyuuga derived the Sharingan
 

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Indra's sons or the sage's brother's sons.
nice try, but it makes no sense. Look at how young he was with that rinnegan, now ASSUMING that you can get EMS from your children (only cases are brothers) his son would have to have been fairly old to even have it, than he would have to transplant it. no matter what way you look at it, it's completely stupid.
 

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There is a possibility that he can activate his pseudo rinnegan like he wants. On the other hand we can't tell if he possess it.
In my opinion it sounds really plausible if he awaked the rinnegan because he is the "uchiha "who is closest to the "senju" bloodline, so why not?
 
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the spiral rinnegan is probably Indra's Mangekyo shape. It would make sense for Indra's eyes to resemble the Rinnegan since he is the first one with a sharingan.
 

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The older son got his dads eyes . That means indra has the rinnegan . Indra is not uchiha nor is the younger brother senju . Uchiha and senju came later
 

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i thought about the thing with killing his own descendants to get ems too...but i'm not sure about kishi abandoning the spiral rinnegan from the story yet. lets just wait and see
 

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I agree with Floydical, Kishi obviously drew that panel of the two brothers a long time ago in the manga, and it wasn't even a very clear panel in the first place. He probably changed his mind about the "spiral rinnegan", since with the story now it doesn't fit all that well. I don't think you need EMS to get the Rinnegan either, all EMS does it make it so you don't lose your eyesight if you use MS to much, it hasn't been said anywhere that you NEED EMS to get Rinnegan, you just need Senju DNA. Hell Indra probably didn't need "Senju" DNA if he got the Rinnegan anyway, since he was his father's biological son, he was close enough. Although I don't think it makes sense that Indra could possibly get EMS, he was the only one with the Sharingan, even if he had sons or whatever, you have to remember that not every Uchiha can even activate normal Sharingan, let alone MS, so even if he had sons there's not guarantee that they even had Sharingan. There's only been what, 5 people who have activated MS in the first place? Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, Izuna, and Obito/Kakashi(Kakashi only activated it because Obito did, so I count it as one person). Well make that 6, since Indra obviously had MS since he used Perfect Susanoo. And just because he used PS doesn't mean he had EMS, we don't know if you need EMS to use PS, since the only people who have ever used it are Madara, and I'm pretty sure Sasuke used PS with Naruto against Obito when they joined together. For all we know all Susanoo users can use PS if they are strong enough, hell Itachi might have been able to use it, but he never even had a reason to so we'll never know.
 
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