Hebi Sasuke vs Ay

[A v i]

You literally just posted the same thing all over again, and I won't bother to counter. Look at my first post. Sasuke wasn't even interested in Ay. His target was Danzo. Cee was a sensor, and as long as he was around, Karin had to hide her chakra and could not use it to sense Danzo's location. He didn't even bother with Ay. He simply knocked down the pillars and went after Danzo. Why even bother debating this when he actually see him genjutsu Cee?

Scan is there and Raikage is right below location the location of Sasuke.Raikage was looking at Sasuke and Sasuke was looking downwards and still you guys are telling me Sasuke was trying aim for Cee implying that Raikage is dumb enough to talk with Sasuke while Sasuke is actaully focusing on Cee.There is a full scan b/w those two scans which proves that Sasuke has more than enough time to go around and cast genjutsu on Cee.Raikage was busy with Juugo and Darui was busy with Suigetsu so Sasuke can speed blitz him without even trying,He don't have to focus for 3 whole pages just to cast genjutsu on Cee which isn't even trying to fight. He should deal with Raikage first to get near Danzo & Iam sure Sasuke is aware of the fact that it isn't easy to deal with Raikage if he were to fight him head on.He don't have any alternatives like Susanoo to bypass Raikage back then so he decided to cast genjutsu on him.
Simple as that.
Iam also not going to bother with arguing this argument anymore as you guys are not even trying to accept my points and the very fact that you guys trying to make him the winner of this battle even though he has no hope against Raikage proves how badly you guys want him to win this but atleast you are abit better than the other guys.

I don't want to waste my time here.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^ It was called Absolute Defense for a reason. Also, only you can think I am throwing one. I am being blunt - all your argument is backed by little evidence. Raikages have large reserves. Raikage's chakra cannot and will never match Sasuke's potency. Which manga have you been reading? Lol This guy.

Just stop.

So can I get the scan of sasuke's chidori true spear going through a multilayered shield? Since you're baked by evidence....

Sasuke's chakra was never compared to that of tailed beasts.

 

[Curse Mark]

Absolute is 1. He manually puts up the sand skin. In the same vain he manually puts up the sand dome.

His auto defence which he does nothing for is his absolute defence.

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IMO, at least Kankuro was referring to both of them. He describes them both then says that it's his absolute defense.

 

[shelke]

So can I get the scan of sasuke's chidori true spear going through a multilayered shield? Since you're baked by evidence....

Sasuke's chakra was never compared to that of tailed beasts.

He can bring his Chakra down to a few fingers - two actually? Yes. What has the manga established? That even three-fingered Raiton Stab can spear through Doton walls. Absolute Defense was said to be strongest before Susano'o and BM was introduced. Obviously, Temari and others never saw Doton walls. How could they possibly know? Only the entire stadium was shocked along with Gaara's siblings and the Jounin with them. It's blatantly obvious that Doton walls hold no value before it. It's you against the manga, so I don't really have to cater to your opinions that are mostly self-serving:

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Chidori spear cut clean through Hachibi's tentacle, the same Tentacle(s) it has used to guard itself on multiple occasions. The same tentacle(s) it used to create a massive whirlwind, the same Tentacle(s) that withstood its own full powered TBB the Juubi threw back at it - none of the tentacles were destroyed - the same Tentacle(s) that again survived the blast back of V2 Juubi and Hachibi's own TBB that it used to push it back in Juubi's stomach. My, Sasuke has, like no feats at all. Forget the Absolute Defense that Gaara used against Deidara as well and guarded him perfectly against his attacks:

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- Comparing Gaara's Ultimate Defense hyped in Manga by many characters is comparable to two doton walls. Lol @ this guy.

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- yeah, and Gaara always wears a sand armour regardless of him using this Shield or Absolute Defense or not and that takes a massive amount of chakra.

Forget that Spear is weaker and Chidori should be stronger if used with less fingers. Feats man, we need feats. Lol

The fact that I even have to explain the difference between Chakra potency and Chakra reserves now, says a lot about your tenacious and annoying replies that are beating about the bush without any concrete evidence. The manga has stated that the Uchihas have the strongest Chakra, so it goes. Do me a favour and drop it. I have yet to see a single scan from your side, other than baseless assumptions and the persistence to deny the obvious feats Sasuke has shown. I don't care about your claims. Bring out evidence to counter something or don't bother yourself. Ironically, this wouldn't be the first time you have made outlandish claims and got called out on it.

 

[slimreaper]

Hebi Sasuke beats V1 Ay high difficulty.

We've already witnessed a chidori from

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. If it had been even just a bit stronger, Ay would have died because the chidori was

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. A

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will not only have greater penetration power, but Sasuke's physical strength also increases allowing him to plunge the chidori into Ay with even more force. Also important to note, Sasuke already managed to outmaneuver V1 Ay so he is capable of dodging Ay's attacks. Sasuke

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because his

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inside the Raikage's skin. In conclusion, V1 Ay isn't emerging alive in a CQC skirmish from Sasuke.

To top it all off, Sasuke could

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which means if Ay tries to attack him, Ay's attack won't reach Sasuke. On top of that, Ay's hand will be stuck inside these snakes, thus he'll be temporarily unable to move allowing Sasuke to finish him off or use genjutsu

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once Ay was immobilized.

Anyone saying Ay please try and counter this argument

 

[Curse Mark]

Anyone saying Ay please try and counter this argument

I disagree with the black chidori statement. What evidence is there to that having higher piercing ability?
It goes against who ever was saying less fingers= more powerful because in the scan they showed, he doesn't even have his fingers pointed. It's like he's grasping it.

 

[slimreaper]

I disagree with the black chidori statement. What evidence is there to that having higher piercing ability?
It goes against who ever was saying less fingers= more powerful because in the scan they showed, he doesn't even have his fingers pointed. It's like he's grasping it.

adding more power to piercing attack would obviously add to its piercing power. Its not like sasuke's chidori was going all out any way. If he was it would have ripped the skin from his hand

 

[TheTailedSage]

I though base bringing new members in would help. We have stooped this low as to discuss if Hebi sasuke wins against Ay let alone stand a chance?? WAKE UP!!! why has this thread reached more than 2 pages?!

MS Sasuke struggled to compete with Ay WITH complete Susano'o AND eton.

The fact that it's Hebi means you have fked sasuke over by default

He has nothing as fast as Susano'o arrows or Ammy at this stage, which by the way Ay is able ot dodge with ease

Sasuke loses this fight when Ay does Liger Bomb:

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Or Hori Chop

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*Sasuke could even see him coming hence why he still looking forward. The fact that he used eton shield is proof that he couldnt physically react to Ay.

Anyone TRY to come up with legit proof that Hebi sasuke wins because its a FACT that he gets no diff'd

 

[slimreaper]

I though base bringing new members in would help. We have stooped this low as to discuss if Hebi sasuke wins against Ay let alone stand a chance?? WAKE UP!!! why has this thread reached more than 2 pages?!

MS Sasuke struggled to compete with Ay WITH complete Susano'o AND eton.

The fact that it's Hebi means you have fked sasuke over by default

He has nothing as fast as Susano'o arrows or Ammy at this stage, which by the way Ay is able ot dodge with ease

Sasuke loses this fight when Ay does Liger Bomb:

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Or Hori Chop

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*Sasuke could even see him coming hence why he still looking forward. The fact that he used eton shield is proof that he couldnt physically react to Ay.

Anyone TRY to come up with legit proof that Hebi sasuke wins because its a FACT that he gets no diff'd

now read the OP: hes restricted to V1.

btw v2 Ay didn't compete with a complete susanoo and would have lost

 

[TheTailedSage]

now read the OP: hes restricted to V1.

btw v2 Ay didn't compete with a complete susanoo and would have lost

He still wins. And with what proof would Ay loose?

 

[Murasame]

He still wins. And with what proof would Ay loose?

Look at Icelerate's post.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He can bring his Chakra down to a few fingers - two actually? Yes. What has the manga established? That even three-fingered Raiton Stab can spear through Doton walls. Absolute Defense was said to be strongest before Susano'o and BM was introduced. Obviously, Temari and others never saw Doton walls. How could they possibly know? Only the entire stadium was shocked along with Gaara's siblings and the Jounin with them. It's blatantly obvious that Doton walls hold no value before it. It's you against the manga, so I don't really have to cater to your opinions that are mostly self-serving:

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Chidori spear cut clean through Hachibi's tentacle, the same Tentacle(s) it has used to guard itself on multiple occasions. The same tentacle(s) it used to create a massive whirlwind, the same Tentacle(s) that withstood its own full powered TBB the Juubi threw back at it - none of the tentacles were destroyed - the same Tentacle(s) that again survived the blast back of V2 Juubi and Hachibi's own TBB that it used to push it back in Juubi's stomach. My, Sasuke has, like no feats at all. Forget the Absolute Defense that Gaara used against Deidara as well and guarded him perfectly against his attacks:

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- Comparing Gaara's Ultimate Defense hyped in Manga by many characters is comparable to two doton walls. Lol @ this guy.

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- yeah, and Gaara always wears a sand armour regardless of him using this Shield or Absolute Defense or not and that takes a massive amount of chakra.

Forget that Spear is weaker and Chidori should be stronger if used with less fingers. Feats man, we need feats. Lol

The fact that I even have to explain the difference between Chakra potency and Chakra reserves now, says a lot about your tenacious and annoying replies that are beating about the bush without any concrete evidence. The manga has stated that the Uchihas have the strongest Chakra, so it goes. Do me a favour and drop it. I have yet to see a single scan from your side, other than baseless assumptions and the persistence to deny the obvious feats Sasuke has shown. I don't care about your claims. Bring out evidence to counter something or don't bother yourself. Ironically, this wouldn't be the first time you have made outlandish claims and got called out on it.

So no scan then....
I love how you're trying to over hype killer b's tentacles like they didn't get run through by minato's kunai or obito's shuriken. Lol

Manga says their known for powerful chakra not strongest.

It makes no sense to say chakra pools=chakra levels since chakra pools is the max amount of chakra a person has. You can't raise chakra pools mid fight. (Unless you have a tailed beast/samehada but that's obvious.) So karin had to be referring to the strength/potency of his chakra. Statements she never made about sasuke.

But it's cool though I could understand your anger

 

[Latios]

I can't believe this has been going on for 7 pages...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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IMO, at least Kankuro was referring to both of them. He describes them both then says that it's his absolute defense.

If that's the case then the tech he used to defend against sasuke wasn't his ultimate defence. Since its not mentioned here and referred as a different tech by kankurou later.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Are people actually discussing how Hebi Sasuke wins, when his superior version was almost dead against Ay? Lol, Ay rapes him neg diff.

Read the stipulation, V2, the speed Sasuke could not deal with, is restricted here.

Scan is there and Raikage is right below location the location of Sasuke.Raikage was looking at Sasuke and Sasuke was looking downwards and still you guys are telling me Sasuke was trying aim for Cee implying that Raikage is dumb enough to talk with Sasuke while Sasuke is actaully focusing on Cee.There is a full scan b/w those two scans which proves that Sasuke has more than enough time to go around and cast genjutsu on Cee.Raikage was busy with Juugo and Darui was busy with Suigetsu so Sasuke can speed blitz him without even trying,He don't have to focus for 3 whole pages just to cast genjutsu on Cee which isn't even trying to fight. He should deal with Raikage first to get near Danzo & Iam sure Sasuke is aware of the fact that it isn't easy to deal with Raikage if he were to fight him head on.He don't have any alternatives like Susanoo to bypass Raikage back then so he decided to cast genjutsu on him.
Simple as that.
Iam also not going to bother with arguing this argument anymore as you guys are not even trying to accept my points and the very fact that you guys trying to make him the winner of this battle even though he has no hope against Raikage proves how badly you guys want him to win this but atleast you are abit better than the other guys.

I don't want to waste my time here.

I'm not going to bother either. You're saying Sasuke was trying to genjutsu him despite it not being shown, and it clearly being shown next chapter his target was Cee and he had no interest in Ay. This entire post is basically specualation. You think he tried to genjutsu Ay, you think he should try to take out Raikage first.

I though base bringing new members in would help. We have stooped this low as to discuss if Hebi sasuke wins against Ay let alone stand a chance?? WAKE UP!!! why has this thread reached more than 2 pages?!

MS Sasuke struggled to compete with Ay WITH complete Susano'o AND eton.

The fact that it's Hebi means you have fked sasuke over by default

He has nothing as fast as Susano'o arrows or Ammy at this stage, which by the way Ay is able ot dodge with ease

Sasuke loses this fight when Ay does Liger Bomb:

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Not our fault if you are going to ignore the stipulations. Sasuke was the one who ran headfirst into Raikage knowing he had Susano'o to protect him. He and Ay had an extended clash before than and Ay did not even land a single hit. If Ay grabs him, what is stopping him from shedding his body to escape?

Or Hori Chop

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V2 is restricted. That was the only reason Sasuke could not follow him, and that is the only reason that backhand even landed. Why do you people post here if you are going to ignore the stipulations and previous posts that counter your arguments?

*Sasuke could even see him coming hence why he still looking forward. The fact that he used eton shield is proof that he couldnt physically react to Ay.

Anyone TRY to come up with legit proof that Hebi sasuke wins because its a FACT that he gets no diff'd

V2 is restricted. Sasuke can follow V1 just fine. If V2 was not restricted, Ay stomps, but the simple fact of the matter is he does not have it in this match and Sasuke showed he could follow his lesser speed when he could get behind and land his sword and could dodge Ay lunging at him. There are legit arguments for this. You simply ignored them, just like you did the fact that Ay does not have his max speed.

He still wins. And with what proof would Ay loose?

Where's the proof he would win? Literally every post supporting him ignores the fact that he can't just blitz Sasuke with this restriction.

 

[slimreaper]

If that's the case then the tech he used to defend against sasuke wasn't his ultimate defence. Since its not mentioned here and referred as a different tech by kankurou later.

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as for the raikage having a chakra potency comparable to an uchiha, not just any uchiha an uchiha known to have chakra as potent as madara uchiha's. Laughable

 

[Curse Mark]

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as for the raikage having a chakra potency comparable to an uchiha, not just any uchiha an uchiha known to have chakra as potent as madara uchiha's. Laughable

Beat me to it, i had the same scan ready and everything

 

[slimreaper]

Beat me to it, i had the same scan ready and everything

That happens to me like once a week also