[Discussion] One Aspect Naruto >>> One Piece In

[shon93]

Cause it completely undermines their whole death, what's the purpose of their death then? You do know that every arc builds upon the plot, right? Kishi has to rip off of HxH just to make his series "good" even then it's still not amazing.

Exactly I hate arguing with simple minded people whats the value in beating someone who is already dead. You based a whole arc with this whole thing in it. That means all of the fights were meaningless because dead people have nothing to lose last time I check

 

[SSS12]

Op so lame naruto solos!

OP is not lame just because you don't like it.

First of all Sales are great for Naruto. Especially worldwide. Second, the people in the Naruto section are *****y dumbasses that complain all the time. If you go anywhere else, people actually appreciate the series.

Naruto is no where near as overrated as One Piece. If One Piece fans weren't wanking the series so much, they would realize that there are way more asspulls in One Piece than Naruto.
Obvious Naruto hater.

I sometimes wonder if I wasn't on the base, would I have been more appreciative of Naruto? People do take the bashing too far.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Cause it completely undermines their whole death, what's the purpose of their death then? You do know that every arc builds upon the plot, right? Kishi has to rip off of HxH just to make his series "good" even then it's still not amazing.

Undermining deaths? the whole death factor in One Piece is undermined. No one even dies in One Piece so why do you have a problem with dead characters coming back in Naruto?
If the value of deaths are destroyed due to reanimation then shouldn't the value people nearly dying in One Piece be ineffective as well? By your logic.

Stop attacking Naruto for it's problems when you have One Piece has problems too.

 

[ekichi onizuka]

the one piecetards are funny they attack naruto because they're buthurt that naruto has more attention than one piece
and say dumbs things like "plotehole kishi is a dumbass naruto sucks "just in hope that the naruto fans will drope it and that one piece can shine a great example watch that idiot on youtube who calls himself codeprovider he trys too hard xd

They should hang in there till the summer maybe than one piece will shine if kishi doesn't make a part 3XD
that's gonna make them mad lol

lol one piece has no plote holes the first episode had a plote hole

Shanks probably the strongest guy in one piece loses his arm to a monster wale
that shit didn't make any sense.

1:Ace death didn't make any sense fire is hotter than magma lol only stupid people would believe that
2:The whole Garp thing lifting Billions of Tons is a logical Plot Hole meaning the ship would sink with that kind of weight on it.
3: Mr 2 sacrificed himself to let others escape from Impel Down - he was left alone, surrounded by several thousands Marine soldiers and Magellan (Magellan even asked him if he had any last words) - and yet recently in the manga he was shown to have somehow survived
4:Jinbe didn't die from having a hole (it was larger than his head) where his heart was supposed to be lol
5:It was said that a devil fruit user can never eat another devil fruit (not for teach)
6:Sanji breaking his leg bone

no plotehole right

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i can go one but i'll have to do all the chapters that oda made lol

 

[hixa kuogame]

OP is not lame just because you don't like it.



I sometimes wonder if I wasn't on the base, would I have been more appreciative of Naruto? People do take the bashing too far.

Exactly what I'm saying. I bet most of the people on this base were die hards until someone started tossing words around like " plot" and "talk no jutsu" and what not. I feel like people just jump on the hate bandwagon.
If you got to a Naruto related video on youtube and read the comments, you'll see the people there are more passionate about Naruto and don't point out every flaw. They're like the One Piece fans, accept not as oblivious.
*except
good God my grammar..

 

[shon93]

the one piecetards are funny they attack naruto because they're buthurt that naruto has more attention than one piece
and say dumbs things like "plotehole kishi is a dumbass naruto sucks "just in hope that the naruto fans will drope it and that one piece can shine a great example watch that idiot on youtube who calls himself codeprovider he trys too hard xd

They should hang in there till the summer maybe than one piece will shine if kishi doesn't make a part 3XD
that's gonna make them mad lol

lol one piece has no plote holes the first episode had a plote hole

Shanks probably the strongest guy in one piece loses his arm to a monster wale
that shit didn't make any sense.

1:Ace death didn't make any sense fire is hotter than magma lol only stupid people would believe that
2:The whole Garp thing lifting Billions of Tons is a logical Plot Hole meaning the ship would sink with that kind of weight on it.
3: Mr 2 sacrificed himself to let others escape from Impel Down - he was left alone, surrounded by several thousands Marine soldiers and Magellan (Magellan even asked him if he had any last words) - and yet recently in the manga he was shown to have somehow survived
4:Jinbe didn't die from having a hole (it was larger than his head) where his heart was supposed to be lol
5:It was said that a devil fruit user can never eat another devil fruit (not for teach)
6:Sanji breaking his leg bone

no plotehole right

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i can go one but i'll have to do all the chapters that oda made lol

Damn I think you need to dismiss yourself from the OP section. What you said were picky bro. Nothing you said affected the plot in anyway

Shanks arm biiten-Could be bullshit or it can be thinked of as symbolic
Ace death-Haki plays a factor in that too bro and its OP logics that magma is the hottest element not a plot hole
Mr.2-A unsigifigant character to the future plot and your nitpicking
Jinbe didn't die-It was bullshit but last time I check Obito didn't die either
Blackbeard 2 DF's-A plothole is not a plot hole until we get an explanation of how he did it
Sanji breaking his bones-Vergo haki was imply stronger end of story

Every show has bullshit elements to it but Naruto takes the cake

 

[Olorin]

the one piecetards are funny they attack naruto because they're buthurt that naruto has more attention than one piece
and say dumbs things like "plotehole kishi is a dumbass naruto sucks "just in hope that the naruto fans will drope it and that one piece can shine a great example watch that idiot on youtube who calls himself codeprovider he trys too hard xd

They should hang in there till the summer maybe than one piece will shine if kishi doesn't make a part 3XD
that's gonna make them mad lol

lol one piece has no plote holes the first episode had a plote hole

Shanks probably the strongest guy in one piece loses his arm to a monster wale
that shit didn't make any sense.

1:Ace death didn't make any sense fire is hotter than magma lol only stupid people would believe that
2:The whole Garp thing lifting Billions of Tons is a logical Plot Hole meaning the ship would sink with that kind of weight on it.
3: Mr 2 sacrificed himself to let others escape from Impel Down - he was left alone, surrounded by several thousands Marine soldiers and Magellan (Magellan even asked him if he had any last words) - and yet recently in the manga he was shown to have somehow survived
4:Jinbe didn't die from having a hole (it was larger than his head) where his heart was supposed to be lol
5:It was said that a devil fruit user can never eat another devil fruit (not for teach)
6:Sanji breaking his leg bone

no plotehole right

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i can go one but i'll have to do all the chapters that oda made lol

oh no it's the king OP hater everyone RUUUUUUN!

I hate One Piece now!!

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0. that was what? like 12 years ago relative to Pre-TS? well if Luffy can make it to PK level in 2 (or with another 2-let's say 4 year TS) why can't Shanks become Yonko lvl in 12 years? so he was at the beginning of his journey as a captain and focused on saving Luffy as opposed to beating the beast, he swam all the way to Luffy in like an instant, it's explainable in so many ways
1. Haki
2. is there an actual number for the ball?
3. omfg someone survived!!! I haven't heard that argument against OP yet
4. Tsunade didn't die from being cut in half, a hole in your chest is actually not all that bad in manga terms
5. I don't think any OP fan actually believes that we won't get an explanation as to what Teach is
6. OMFG Sanji broke a leg!!! someone sue Oda!!

and I already said ''if a manga doesn't have issues it's simply not yet long enough'' XD

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

All this Naruto troll is so damn lucky that i was busy and even now am still have my hands full of paper works,
i hope by the time i get my work done this thread is still open for me to educate this vermin....

i'll just make some quick remark,
so this kids is QQing about nobody really died in One Piece well yes sir why is that ? because the author is planning to used them in the future arc, says Crocodile and Daz Bones as example and surely more to come in the great war, Oda is planning a grand stage to end one piece, i mean do you guys even read the deck of the world ?

but the thing is why would this naruto troll moaning about this on One Piece section to begin with ? i mean *****ing about how dead is undermined in One Piece and all, pfft take a closer look son i mean do you want me to spill it for y ? EDO TENSEI !!!!!!!

that's all it take to STFU this naruto troll, but like always troll just keep coming until someone completely embarrassed them, which is something i can't do right now cause of RL stuff,

surely more to come if any of that Naruto trolls have the balls to quote me, well i doubt that they have one....

 

[hixa kuogame]

All this Naruto troll is so damn lucky that i was busy and even now am still have my hands full of paper works,
i hope by the time i get my work done this thread is still open for me to educate this vermin....

i'll just make some quick remark,
so this kids is QQing about nobody really died in One Piece well yes sir why is that ? because the author is planning to used them in the future arc, says Crocodile and Daz Bones as example and surely more to come in the great war, Oda is planning a grand stage to end one piece, i mean do you guys even read the deck of the world ?

but the thing is why would this naruto troll moaning about this on One Piece section to begin with ? i mean *****ing about how dead is undermined in One Piece and all, pfft take a closer look son i mean do you want me to spill it for y ? EDO TENSEI !!!!!!!

that's all it take to STFU this naruto troll, but like always troll just keep coming until someone completely embarrassed them, which is something i can't do right now cause of RL stuff,

surely more to come if any of that Naruto trolls have the balls to quote me, well i doubt that they have one....

There are people that weren't edo tensei'd and at least the people died.
useless people like Pell should be dead but cheat death constantly.

 

[Moonbird]

Erhm... am.. am I the only one seeing the obvious flaw in even having this threat in the One Piece section of a Naruto forum?

That is just.. inviting trouble.

Picking favourites often are, or forcing people to pick favourite.

Here's the thing, both mangas/animes are highly popular, both are run longing so both have some beloved history, and both have flaws in them.
And both have people emotionally attached to them.

And especially having a title indicating. "Naruto is best! No arguing." is inviting trouble.

I don't know which one is better! I don't feel like I am in a spot to just decide that.

I do have a personal favourite though, and that is my own personal opinion.

Well, erhm, actually. I was into Naruto looooong before I got into One Piece, One piece didn't even catch me on my first attempt, I put it on a shelf only to try again years later.
Naruto was one of the first mangas I collected and one of the first animes I ever watched and followed, my first cosplay was a Sakura cosplay, I spend lots of time drawing Naruto fanart when I was a kid and making Naruto AMVS.

.... I personally prefer One Piece.

As I gave One Piece its second chance, at a time where I got a crick in my back and thusly couldn't move... at all.. I was confined to bed, and thought.. what the hell, i'll give one piece a go, and then when I finally got into it.. man I couldn't stop again! At all! And right now, I am still living on that hype.

While Naruto.. though I loved it ones, and I actually remember when the time-skip happened! I was a reader back then.
It just.. kind of.. lost its air with me. I have honestly, given up on the manga. I stopped reading, it just, lost me underway, in spite of my early adoration for it.

In my opinion, early Naruto is very strong, and wins because of the heart, imagination and had the battle be very imaginative and intriquing because it was just as much about what tactics they used as it was about the strenght.
I thought the character stories was very strong and emotional, and I still think, early Naruto is very solid and quite good.

But.. then I feel like.. it lost it. To me it feels like the author of Naruto had noooo idea where to go with it, so he kind of just, added and added without it making a lot of sense.
Lots of the stuff that made the manga smart and different early on just.. went lost, and as the manga lost its heart and smarts, as well as its direction, I lost interest.
That is my personal take on it..

One Piece though, is a very clever manga, because it has a set-up that invites new adventures, and can indeed go to new places all the time, thus keeping itself fresh, because we are not stuck nor restricted with an old plot-line the author can't get rid off neither know what to do with.
Giving One Piece a closer look, it also seems like Oda has a very specific plan with it, he knows exactly where he is headed, so the Manga never becomes directionless, in spite of its mayham nature.. and that's what I fell Naruto lacks now.. direction, it feels directionless. And it feels old and tired, like, it should have been alowed to retire a while back.
One Piece though, some-how.. and with 742 chapters so far that is an insane accomplishment, still feels fresh and alive! And not at all like it's time for retirement yet, it feels like it still has stuff to do and goes for it.
Yeah, the Punk Hazard arch was kind of a.. sorry guys, it was a bit of a dud, stuck in between two neccesary key archs, not knowing what it should be.. But! the current arch is making up for it by bringing One Piece back on track, just the latest Chapter had the emotional value back, as well as the excitement.

There is a great childish excitement in One Piece I can't help but adore, and it keeps having it, it both got darker and kept the childish excitement for adventure.

While.. Naruto wanted to get darker and serious.. and thus lost its own excitement on its way, so now it feels.. well.. I am not a fan of reason chapters as you can hear.

And I did in fact try to give Naruto a second go, for old times sake I tried to read some of the latest chapters.. and.. erh.. gosh, I litterately remember being in colleague, four years ago now, sitting with a friend whom was a fellow Naruto fan saying. "I think Naruto is going to end soon, it feels like it's building towards the end, and now would be a pretty good time to end it with one last grand climax."
And now.. it's four years after and it's still there.. just stepping in water as far as I am concerned.. if it had endedback then with a killer end stand off, I would have regarded Naruto as an all-ready really good Manga, but now.. it just.. it has gone on for far to long as far as I am concerned, the format of Naruto, or the format it took with one linear war story line, just isn't fitting for that long a run time.
While One Piece, that has the ability to constantly renew itself, by putting the crew into new stories and bring new things to the table, just manages to keep itself fresh.. which is both insane and amazing.

i don't really know how Oda does it.. it shouldn't be possible.. but he just do.

Naruto is not the only Manga I feel like have been dead in the water for far to long and should just have ended long ago on a high note.
Bleach and Case Closed are in the same boat as far as I am concerned.. they started out being great, now.. they are just tratting in water, barely keeping their heads up.

 

[shon93]

There are people that weren't edo tensei'd and at least the people died.
useless people like Pell should be dead but cheat death constantly.

But what your not understanding is Pell isn't relevant to the story anymore. Meanwhile its suppose to be the final arc and most have Naruto fights have been against dead people.

The dead people are participating in the plot of Naruto. The people that were suppose to be dead in OP are irrelevant to the plot of OP at this point only there face was shown and your nitpicking

 

[hixa kuogame]

But what your not understanding is Pell isn't relevant to the story anymore. Meanwhile its suppose to be the final arc and most have Naruto fights have been against dead people.

The dead people are participating in the plot of Naruto. The people that were suppose to be dead in OP are irrelevant to the plot of OP at this point only there face was shown and your nitpicking

The people that should have died in one piece were major factors in their arc but they became pointless when moved to another arc.
that skypiea guy with the repulsor hand should have died yet he stayed alive and did more relevant stuff in his arc.
and pretty much everyone straw hat should be dead but they're not so i guess you're wrong when you say they're irrelevant

 

[Love Cook]

The problem is if something is foreshadowed, like Obito being Tobi, everyone sees it coming and says that was obvious and the story has no real twists and stuff. And you're going off topic. You're starting to compare the plot and twists of the two stories. Not intended.

Nothing off topic on my side here, I'm still discussing the badly written (non)deaths in Naruto

 

[ekichi onizuka]

Damn I think you need to dismiss yourself from the OP section. What you said were picky bro. Nothing you said affected the plot in anyway


Shanks arm biiten-Could be bullshit or it can be thinked of as symbolic
Ace death-Haki plays a factor in that too bro and its OP logics that magma is the hottest element not a plot hole
Mr.2-A unsigifigant character to the future plot and your nitpicking
Jinbe didn't die-It was bullshit but last time I check Obito didn't die either
Blackbeard 2 DF's-A plothole is not a plot hole until we get an explanation of how he did it
Sanji breaking his bones-Vergo haki was imply stronger end of story

Every show has bullshit elements to it but Naruto takes the cake

and tell me how did it affect naruto ?

oh no it's the king OP hater everyone RUUUUUUN!

I hate One Piece now!!

Spoiler

0. that was what? like 12 years ago relative to Pre-TS? well if Luffy can make it to PK level in 2 (or with another 2-let's say 4 year TS) why can't Shanks become Yonko lvl in 12 years? so he was at the beginning of his journey as a captain and focused on saving Luffy as opposed to beating the beast, he swam all the way to Luffy in like an instant, it's explainable in so many ways
1. Haki
2. is there an actual number for the ball?
3. omfg someone survived!!! I haven't heard that argument against OP yet
4. Tsunade didn't die from being cut in half, a hole in your chest is actually not all that bad in manga terms
5. I don't think any OP fan actually believes that we won't get an explanation as to what Teach is
6. OMFG Sanji broke a leg!!! someone sue Oda!!
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and I already said ''if a manga doesn't have issues it's simply not yet long enough'' XD

haha you make me laugh Agalon everyone who points out mistakes in one piece is a hater in your eyes i see how and it always come from the same people, the top 2 one piecetards on the narutobase

1:Yo mommasan (no one can top this idiot)
2:Agalon/love cook

i have come to conclusion debating against you guys is impossible,because you guys are megatards lol

 

[Moonbird]

Nothing off topic on my side here, I'm still discussing the badly written (non)deaths in Naruto

I don't think that guy is going to listen...

I've been reading more through this threat, doesn't seem like he even wants to have a discussion, just make a statement that is.

"Naruto is best! BIATCH!" and then he gets insulted when the One piece fans... On the One Piece section of a forum. Disagree.

We are not going to convince each other this way.
He is not going to convince you Naruto is best, you are not going to convince him that One Piece is best.

But hey! We all support and love manga, and I think that's an important factor.. so.. spread love not war?

 

[Love Cook]

I don't think that guy is going to listen...

I've been reading more through this threat, doesn't seem like he even wants to have a discussion, just make a statement that is.

"Naruto is best! BIATCH!" and then he gets insulted when the One piece fans... On the One Piece section of a forum. Disagree.

We are not going to convince each other this way.
He is not going to convince you Naruto is best, you are not going to convince him that One Piece is best.

But hey! We all support and love manga, and I think that's an important factor.. so.. spread love not war?

Agreed,

I was done after that guy said he wasn't going to read the 'essay'. Way to lose all your credibility in one sentence.

As for the other bashers, they never bring anything to the table.

 

[Moonbird]

Honestly... Iiii.... erh..

I totally get it if people don't want to sit through my forum essays... I just.. can't.. help myself.

I just really love discussing and thinking about the stuff I like... oh well, that's why I am an enternet video producer to, that's the place where I am actually meant to do that.
Except.. my one piece video was one of my least watched videos, people rather one superheroes and recent Hollywood blockbusters :,(
Oh well, I can talk for-ever about that to...

That stereo type about women never shutting the hell up.... when it comes to geeky things I like, that fits me to a T... damn..

MANGA! Manga is great!

 

[Olorin]

and tell me how did it affect naruto ?


haha you make me laugh Agalon everyone who points out mistakes in one piece is a hater in your eyes i see how and it always come from the same people, the top 2 one piecetards on the narutobase

1:Yo mommasan (no one can top this idiot)
2:Agalon/love cook

i have come to conclusion debating against you guys is impossible,because you guys are megatards lol

no actually I say you are a hater because you only jump into a thread related to OP if you can bash it, and it has been so for a long time and if I remember correctly you dropped OP and everyone visiting the OP section regularly can confirm what I just said

so when I say OP hater I mean ppl like you or Vasu 32 that only enter the section to bash and ppl like this who are just plain ignorant

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Op so lame naruto solos!

and yes I know One Piece has issues I even said so in THIS thread, but the haters repeat the same things like broken records

why you are still entering the OP section is beyond me
be normal and if you don't like it just gtfo like I do with Bleach, I don't like Bleach so I never go into the section or comment on it

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

Pell survived because he was found and healed.

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If Pell wasn't found I'm sure he would have died. Just like the 5 kage. If Orochimaru didn't go to heal Tsunade, she would have died, or how Kabuto went to heal Sasuke, he would have died.

Also, old guys know shit. Some old guys can even heal the dead.

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Someone get this reference please.

Heal people who are mostly dead > Fatal wounds from a bomb.


They all had fatal wounds, but because someone found them, they survived/are surviving.

 

[Zorø]

One piece deaths are way better than naruto's they actually have meaning like ace's death was so that Luffy could get stronger and WB death. Naruto's deaths make people in real life actually kill themselves like when itachi died I read online that the 14 yr old jumped off a building because itachi died......thats what the Naruto manga does.. :|