How do you rate Madara's villainy out of 5?

How good is Madara as central villain to you?

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    Votes: 8 16.0%
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    Votes: 3 6.0%
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    Votes: 12 24.0%
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    Votes: 9 18.0%
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    Votes: 18 36.0%

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@fuhrer of uchiha:
It's funny because it's true. And sasuke isn't technically a villain, he's the anti hero of the story.
 

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You don't get it. he was in love with her, doesn't matter if she retunred it or not, fact is, he had deep feelings for her and not to mention, hes an uchiha who are known to be quite sensitive with emotions. Seeing her die in front of him by his best friend's hand broke him into a million pieces, this is what kishi wanted to portray by that scene.

Emotional uchiha + Deep Love + Seeing the girl you love killed in front of you + By your best friend = A man further broken than one can imagine.
You are making up pitiful excuses to justify for his poor reasons of taking over the world because of Rin. It doesn't matter if he was in love with her. He still did it for Rin.
Sasuke loved his clan and his family and you didn't see him going crazy back in part one starting rebellions.
 

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In that case Pain is a terrible villain. You just contradicted yourself with what you said earlier.

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I said Pain was a better villain than Obito. I never said he was a legit villain. Go be stupid somewhere else.
 

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Generic as fck, Being introduced with the same goal as Tobi didn't help and his Hashirama fetish is pure homo, I'll give him a 2, hes strong, his backstroy was nice and his initial appearance was badass (armor) if he ends up negating his villainy like on some Nagato type shit he gets a zero.

Obito looked cooler imo.
 

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That's the thing I don't understand in the whole Madara vs Obito debate. People give Obito tons of shit for wanting to create the dream world, but it was Madara's idea first. He was the one who convinced Obito this reality isn't worth existing and came up with the plan in the first place.

I can't see why the dots don't connect in there.
Because madara, obito and nagato have different ends even if the have the same start. The all went insane because someone died. However;

Madara's solution is based on research into the history of NV and an understanding of the start of everything. First thing you have to notice is that madara's solution was in fact the same as hashirama/naruto/blah blah (create a village system and peace what not). However, he then read the uchiha tablet and then he decided that it's probably better to create a world where he forcibly stops people from using their spiritual energy for self power. After doing that, he then plans on making people connect their spiritual energies with each other, using his body as a 'router'. That was, because everyone can understand each other, violencee can be theoretically avoided. Madara's using forcible restraint.

Nagato's Solution is based around the idea that the strong get what the want; That fear and power control people and make them docile. Due to this mentality, nagato saw it fit that the best approach to peace was to collect the tailed beasts; With that much power, no one would dare disobey his absolute rule. Nagato's using Terror.

Obito's Solution is to escape the world and enter a dream world where everything goes his way. He says this. Kakashi says this. Even naruto suggests this by telling him to stop denying his existence and the whole tnj shit. And, this all happened because he witnessed some chick die -> Which was the moment he self proclaimed he was in hell. Which was the moment he decided to go back to a madman(madara) instead of back to his village; He had the choice. Which is the moment he decided to go along with the 'nonsense' this madman was telling him, instead of going home; he had that choice. Obito never needed to go evil, he still had minato, kakashi and any other friends he made. All he did was lose rin, hear of the idea that he can make a dream world with her in it and jumped right onto that. Obito's trying to escape reality and dragging everyone into his shit.

Those are the big differences between those 3. Even gaara and orochimaru were a 'main villains'. However, their start and end differ greatly to those 3.

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No solid argument then? Just your own incorrect interpretation? Alright.
I've provided my scans with kishi's words. I'm actually waiting for yours.
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Why are you so stupid?
Guy turns evil because of parents and clan death: Great villain
Guy turns evil because of a girl crush: Dumb pathetic villain

Stop fangasming over Obito. I don't even understand why people like this guy as a villain. Even Sasuke was a better villain than this fgt.
Currently you're just adding stuff to differentiate Nagato from Obito when in Fact Nagato ONLY turned due to Yahiko's deaths not because of his clan since the timestamp of the Uzumaki clan destruction wasn't shown and his parents died years before he was even trained by Jiraiya. i dont see the big deal with Rin being a Factor in Obito turning evil, he did love her and also witness his fellow teammate killing her of course Madara's words were a factor as well which it was reason his views of the world changed.
 

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Kakuzu is the worst villain of the series are you really saying hes the epitome of what a villain should be?
 

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Generic as fck, Being introduced with the same goal as Tobi didn't help and his Hashirama fetish is pure homo, I'll give him a 2, hes strong, his backstroy was nice and his initial appearance was badass (armor) if he ends up negating his villainy like on some Nagato type shit he gets a zero.

Obito looked cooler imo.
I respect your opinion, but why hate on Nagato when he's not even a part of the thread? He was a good guy who just wanted to help people not suffer the same fate he did and his method of peace has been used in the real world several times. He held merit as an antagonist.
 

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You don't get it. he was in love with her, doesn't matter if she retunred it or not, fact is, he had deep feelings for her and not to mention, hes an uchiha who are known to be quite sensitive with emotions. Seeing her die in front of him by his best friend's hand broke him into a million pieces, this is what kishi wanted to portray by that scene.

Emotional uchiha + Deep Love + Seeing the girl you love killed in front of you + By your best friend = A man further broken than one can imagine.




Thats a really bad argument because Infiniti tsukuyomi was Madara's plan, not obito's. try again.
Reviving rin in the dream world, was obito's plan and had nothing to do with madara's actual IS. Try again.

and lol@u like you understand love.
 

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Obito's Solution is to escape the world and enter a dream world where everything goes his way. He says this. Kakashi says this. Even naruto suggests this by telling him to stop denying his existence and the whole tnj shit. And, this all happened because he witnessed some chick die -> Which was the moment he self proclaimed he was in hell. Which was the moment he decided to go back to a madman(madara) instead of back to his village; He had the choice. Which is the moment he decided to go along with the 'nonsense' this madman was telling him, instead of going home; he had that choice. Obito never needed to go evil, he still had minato, kakashi and any other friends he made. All he did was lose rin, hear of the idea that he can make a dream world with her in it and jumped right onto that. Obito's trying to escape reality and dragging everyone into his shit.


I'll just take what this guy said.
 

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Because madara, obito and nagato have different ends even if the have the same start. The all went insane because someone died. However;

Madara's solution is based on research into the history of NV and an understanding of the start of everything. First thing you have to notice is that madara's solution was in fact the same as hashirama/naruto/blah blah (create a village system and peace what not). However, he then read the uchiha tablet and then he decided that it's probably better to create a world where he forcibly stops people from using their spiritual energy for self power. After doing that, he then plans on making people connect their spiritual energies with each other, using his body as a 'router'. That was, because everyone can understand each other, violencee can be theoretically avoided. Madara's using forcible restraint.

Nagato's Solution is based around the idea that the strong get what the want; That fear and power control people and make them docile. Due to this mentality, nagato saw it fit that the best approach to peace was to collect the tailed beasts; With that much power, no one would dare disobey his absolute rule. Nagato's using Terror.

Obito's Solution is to escape the world and enter a dream world where everything goes his way. He says this. Kakashi says this. Even naruto suggests this by telling him to stop denying his existence and the whole tnj shit. And, this all happened because he witnessed some chick die -> Which was the moment he self proclaimed he was in hell. Which was the moment he decided to go back to a madman(madara) instead of back to his village; He had the choice. Which is the moment he decided to go along with the 'nonsense' this madman was telling him, instead of going home; he had that choice. Obito never needed to go evil, he still had minato, kakashi and any other friends he made. All he did was lose rin, hear of the idea that he can make a dream world with her in it and jumped right onto that. Obito's trying to escape reality and dragging everyone into his shit.

Those are the big differences between those 3. Even gaara and orochimaru were a 'main villains'. However, their start and end differ greatly to those 3.
That's an excellent breakdown and I agree with you, but I think you're overlooking that Mugen Tsukuyomi was originally Madara's idea. So why discredit Obito for carrying out what Madara brainwashed him to do?
 

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No offence but you should Ask this question when the manga's over.
 

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Nagato got brainwashed by a book from Jiraiya. Nagato is a shit villain just like Obito.

Your definition of a good villain is a Psycopath. A real villain needs Depth, a backstory, and a motive that isn't killing everyone within a 5 mile radius.
 

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Your definition of a good villain is a Psycopath. A real villain needs Depth, a backstory, and a motive that isn't killing everyone within a 5 mile radius.
Yes, because trying to take over the world by forming the Akatsuki, collecting Bijuu, and starting a war just to get tnj'd by the main protagonist all because you have feelings over a girl. Yeah, he is such an awesome villain...
I'm done with your ludicrous assertions.
 

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That's an excellent breakdown and I agree with you, but I think you're overlooking that Mugen Tsukuyomi was originally Madara's idea. So why discredit Obito for carrying out what Madara brainwashed him to do?
Because liek i just said, they had different purposes.

Madara manipulated obito into helping him(madara) do IS by allowing obito to think rin will be there. Madara's purpose for IS is stated in the quotes.
Obito's purpose is because some chick died that he wants to see in there. He's said this so many times, and other people said it so many times. That's not a good enough reason for a villain. "oh, some girl died, but if i do this plan i can make a dream world that i control where she's alive... oh and I guess no one else can die to, so everything goes exactly how i want it". That's severe detachment from reality. The guy even went as far as being fully nihilistic. He had absolutely no drive to live in reality and instead opted for a fantasy where everything goes how he wants.
In the real world, people who did things like that would be in a mental ward with no one following them. Even hitler had followers because at least his ideals made some goddamn sense to some people. Same goes for madara and nagato. Who's following obito? No one. Akatsuki only followed him because he told them a completely different story under the guise of a completely different persona - evidenced by the fact that nagato thought they were collecting tailed beasts for absolute control through power.
 

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I respect your opinion, but why hate on Nagato when he's not even a part of the thread? He was a good guy who just wanted to help people not suffer the same fate he did and his method of peace has been used in the real world several times. He held merit as an antagonist.

No hate, Nagato/Pain is a awesome character, villain? not so much.
 
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