No one can break Itachi's tsukuyomi

[iSpeak]

I know he didn't break it, but the point is to say you can use kai release within the genjutsu

As for the breakdown point, i also think taking one's eye is nothing compared to getting stabbed multiple times for 72hrs. Reason why i mentioned that point to show you how despite small torture, it still almost caused a break down in Sasuke's spirit despite him breaking it later on, making me believe that world of tsukuyomi itself causes a mental stress to everyone inside there even besides the quality of illusion casted by the user

I understand what you are saying but all of that was an illusion. He did actually resist the sleep but he didnt actually put his hands together and use Kai in the real world. Otherwise Itachi would simply be able to case the illusion and have Naruto armless, that way there would be no way to resist it. Being able to use Kai within someone else's illusion wouldn't make sense.

Tsukuyomi is powerful and i'm sure a little genjutsu will do some damage, but casting an instantaneous illusion on a Uchiha wouldn't do anything and the longer the genjutsu the bigger the risk. Itachi doesn't have a chance of casting Tsukuyomi for 3 days against someone like Shisui as he did to part 1 Kakashi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What chapter? I still don't seem to find the 24 while I don't need to look for the 72, it just clicked

When itachi returned to the village. Back in part 1

 

[TrollKing]

When itachi returned to the village. Back in part 1

I think that's fair, kid sasuke at least 4-6 times weaker than kakashi. So they suffer the same pretty much since kakashi was 4-6 times stronger than sasuke

 

[Exaar]

It always bothered me when people say only uchiha can break tsukuyomi.

I Mean i never understood how simply being Uchiha/Having uchiha blood allows them to break an almost instant Genjutsu

 

[Bogard]

I understand what you are saying but all of that was an illusion. He did actually resist the sleep but he didnt actually put his hands together and use Kai in the real world. Otherwise Itachi would simply be able to case the illusion and have Naruto armless, that way there would be no way to resist it. Being able to use Kai within someone else's illusion wouldn't make sense.

Tsukuyomi is powerful and i'm sure a little genjutsu will do some damage, but casting an instantaneous illusion on a Uchiha wouldn't do anything and the longer the genjutsu the bigger the risk. Itachi doesn't have a chance of casting Tsukuyomi for 3 days against someone like Shisui as he did to part 1 Kakashi.

Well how did Naruto manage to resist the sleeping order then if he didn't use kai? Pages before that, we even see him remembering Jiraya's teachings about how to break illusions before attempting it and Itachi himself(in his own thoughts) acknowledged he has grown, but was still weak(not strong enough to break it). For me the most logical conclusion is that he did infact use kai inside the illusion

I understand your point concerning tsukuyomi though

I also want to have your opinion on one thing. We know tsukuyomi is a strong genjutsu and we know genjutsu takes control of the chakra in the opponent's head. We've seen that hatred made Sasuke's chakra alteration to change drastically to the point Karin couldn't recognise it. My question now is to know what in your opinion would happen if someone(like Sasuke) inside a tsukuyomi genjutsu due to hatred or something else, had his chakra alteration change drastically, wouldn't that allow him to go around tsukuyomi? After all the chakra controlled by tsukuyomi wouldn't be the same

 

[Owarij]

The longer the illusion, the more damage (in theory) but also the longer they have to break the Genjutsu

The time inside the jutsu is fictional, and in their head. It isn't the time they have to break the genjutsu.. Itachi doesn't control time, He controls the perceiption of time. He fools your brain into thinking that one second was 72 hours. The Victim doesn't have 72 hours to get out, because the 72 hours wasn't real to begin with.. They only have the instant , and they couldn't even if they wanted to

 

[Velencia]

whatever makes you happy

 

[Icelerate]

Yes indeed Bogard, Minato and Kakashi get one shotted by Tsukiyomi.

 

[Dantee]

I don't understand how people are selectively choosing to ignore a manga fact. Then use manga facts that actual don't discredit it.

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[Bogard]

I don't understand how people are selectively choosing to ignore a manga fact. Then use manga facts that actual don't discredit it.

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No one is ignoring anything. You're the one not understand a thing

 

[Dantee]

No one is ignoring anything. You're the one not understand a thing

It says it right there only a Uchiha can break it. Kakashi even thought as Sasuke the 1st person in mind. DB says he broke it. Manga said he overcame it. You're not Kishi.

 

[Ken Masters]

I think Kakashi can break it, he broke Obito's genjutsu

 

[Bogard]

It says it right there only a Uchiha can break it. Kakashi even thought as Sasuke the 1st person in mind. DB says he broke it. Manga said he overcame it. You're not Kishi.

Something never refuted in this thread. Do you even know what we're discussing about?

 

[Dantee]

Something never refuted in this thread. Do you even know what we're discussing about?

It always bothered me when people say only uchiha can break tsukuyomi.

I Mean i never understood how simply being Uchiha/Having uchiha blood allows them to break an almost instant Genjutsu

^.10(char). Even if Tsyukomi is instant in real life and genjutsu is 1million days it doesn't change the fact Sasuke can break out of it. Breaking Tysukomi has nothing to do with disrupting chakra like Naruto was shown to do with chiyo/sakura, it's a matter of having sharigan and being blood related that is all.

 

[TrollKing]

I think Kakashi can break it, he broke Obito's genjutsu

Kakashi too old to surpass anyone. The only thing he learn apart from part 1 is kamui. Obito lack genjutsu feat severely

 

[Denzel Washington]

^.10(char). Even if Tsyukomi is instant in real life and genjutsu is 1million days it doesn't change the fact Sasuke can break out of it. Breaking Tysukomi has nothing to do with disrupting chakra like Naruto was shown to do with chiyo/sakura, it's a matter of having sharigan and being blood related that is all.

You mean the fight Itachi intentionally threw?

Hardly credible.

 

[Bogard]

^.10(char). Even if Tsyukomi is instant in real life and genjutsu is 1million days it doesn't change the fact Sasuke can break out of it. Breaking Tysukomi has nothing to do with disrupting chakra like Naruto was shown to do with chiyo/sakura, it's a matter of having sharigan and being blood related that is all.

But to break out of something, you must get the time to break it in the first place. Since a Uchiha(with Sharingan and blood related like you say) can break tsukuyomi according to Itachi, it means that inside the genjutsu a Uchiha can attempt to break it during the tsukuyomi world time(24hrs for example). From my understanding of Itachi's statement, he only meant that the genjutsu is too strong to be broken for non-Uchihas, not that they don't have time to attempt a break out. The instant thing only is an issue for an outsider attempting to save the victim using the partner method. It's basically the point i'm trying to bring up here

 

[iSpeak]

Well how did Naruto manage to resist the sleeping order then if he didn't use kai? Pages before that, we even see him remembering Jiraya's teachings about how to break illusions before attempting it and Itachi himself(in his own thoughts) acknowledged he has grown, but was still weak(not strong enough to break it). For me the most logical conclusion is that he did infact use kai inside the illusion

I understand your point concerning tsukuyomi though

I also want to have your opinion on one thing. We know tsukuyomi is a strong genjutsu and we know genjutsu takes control of the chakra in the opponent's head. We've seen that hatred made Sasuke's chakra alteration to change drastically to the point Karin couldn't recognise it. My question now is to know what in your opinion would happen if someone(like Sasuke) inside a tsukuyomi genjutsu due to hatred or something else, had his chakra alteration change drastically, wouldn't that allow him to go around tsukuyomi? After all the chakra controlled by tsukuyomi wouldn't be the same

Well personally I would guess that it was just his will. If he was able to use kai to resist the sleep then he should have been able to use it to break the Genjutsu. I wont be able to 100% prove it but can you understand why it wouldnt be logical for Kai to work within a Genjutsu being controlled by the opponent? Why wouldn't Itachi take away Naruto's arms since he controls the Genjutsu, and put Naruto under sleep? Only other explanation is that he managed to use Kai at that point in real life. Personally, being able to use Kai within a Genjutsu being fully controlled by the opponent just doesn't make sense without an illusionary based technique to counter it.

For your question though, I dont see why that would get him out of Tsukuyomi. He may change the nature of his chakra but it is still his chakra being controlled.

The time inside the jutsu is fictional, and in their head. It isn't the time they have to break the genjutsu.. Itachi doesn't control time, He controls the perceiption of time. He fools your brain into thinking that one second was 72 hours. The Victim doesn't have 72 hours to get out, because the 72 hours wasn't real to begin with.. They only have the instant , and they couldn't even if they wanted to

For a non Sharingan user Yes. For a proficient Sharingan user No (which is what I was talking about). One of the main abilities of the Sharingan is the ability to see through illusions. Extending the time of the illusions extends the time the opponent is in the illusion, meaning they have a greater time to see through and break the illusion with their Sharingan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I think that's fair, kid sasuke at least 4-6 times weaker than kakashi. So they suffer the same pretty much since kakashi was 4-6 times stronger than sasuke

That is your opinion. A foolish one as that.who suffered more ws never up for discussion.
You asked how long and bogard gave you the answer.

Troll elsewhere please.

 

[Chie]

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Tobi says even Sasukes contingency plans were all apart of Itachis calculations.



Hmm.... I honestly didn't notice this. I may be incorrect.....Sasuke may have broken it. I'm wondering did this DB scan come out before, or after Tobi explains the truth of Itachi? I know it's a lot to ask, but if you do know could you tell me? The scans I have were around 5/2008.....

Sasuke did break out of it.
Sasuke did use the cursemark to break out of it, however, Itachi expected him to do so and just wanted to use Tsukiyomi to push him more to his limits. More than likely, if Itachi was serious then Sasuke would not have broken out. It only lasts a second after all and if Itachi truly wanted to, he could create a worse situation for Sasuke in the genjutsu.