No one can break Itachi's tsukuyomi

[TrollKing]

He never used it on deidara or oro.

Sasuke got 24.

It says it right there.

What chapter? I still don't seem to find the 24 while I don't need to look for the 72, it just clicked

 

[Smd]

i just think being a uchiha makes things different completely when it comes to genjutsu

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Is Viz scan invalid here?

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[Bogard]

Is Viz scan invalid here?

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Can = to be able to do, make, or accomplish

The manga statement doesn't contradict anything. Itachi did say someone with MS and his blood could counter tsukuyomi, which is true since if he gets time to break it(like Itachi extending the tsukuyomi like he intended to with Kabuto), he will, but if Itachi makes an instant tsukuyomi, he won't even get the time to break it to begin with

 

[TrollKing]

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That's all I can find, I'm speechless

 

[iSpeak]

Well if it's the case, what stops someone to use kai release inside the illusion? We've seen Naruto was doing it against Itachi's illusion, yet standing still outside the illusion. Also, like i've said, Itachi can control the length of the illusion. He used a 72hours tsukuyomi against Kakashi, but a 24hours tsukuyomi against Sasuke later on. When Sasuke was even smaller, the tsukuyomi he used at that time only lasted few seconds, so Itachi can just decide to make a tsukuyomi illusion last only 1second in dreamworld

Naruto wasn't actually using Kai, all an illusion. Like you said he was actually standing still in the outside world until Chiyo came. Example, Itachi could have easily cut of Naruto hands inside the illusions, makes no difference. Yes, Itachi can make Tsukuyomi last an instant inside the illusion itself... but what would be the point in that? The whole point of being able to manipulate time is so he can cast an instantaneous Genjutsu and increase the time in the illusion itself, making it impossible to stop from the outside.

 

[Bogard]

Naruto wasn't actually using Kai, all an illusion. Like you said he was actually standing still in the outside world until Chiyo came. Example, Itachi could have easily cut of Naruto hands inside the illusions, makes no difference. Yes, Itachi can make Tsukuyomi last an instant inside the illusion itself... but what would be the point in that? The whole point of being able to manipulate time is so he can cast an instantaneous Genjutsu and increase the time in the illusion itself, making it impossible to stop from the outside.

But he did broke the genjutsu order of sleeping eventhough he still couldn't overcome ephemeral completely [

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] Kai release was used there

As for the point of the instant tsukuyomi, you got a point but it seems the simple fact of being inside tsukuyomi causes the breakdown later since mere illusions like Itachi killing Sasuke's parents or taking his eyes were enough to cause(or almost cause) breakdown in his spirit

 

[FleeOnSight]

Ftg speed > tsukuyomi speed

 

[sharingansennin]

itachi him self said that only blood related can defeat it and sasuke did that.

this man knows his stuff

 

[einsteinewton]

Sasuke broke it

really.....nah bra itachi was nt really fytin sasuke

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re-thinking back to Kakashi's words concerning tsukuyomi, i questioned myself about something.

1- If Tsukuyomi really affects you in an instant, how do you even break the thing(skilled Sharingan user or not)?

Because the time you take to notice the genjutsu and attempt to break it, the instant second of tsukuyomi already took effect right?

It's even what Kakashi said in the viz translation

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It doesn't matter if you can defeat the genjutsu or not. Because it affects you in an instant, not even leaving you a room to break it

Before some people give me the Sasuke example, let me tell you something. Itachi can control the length of his tsukuyomi

He explained it while formulating a plan to defeat Kabuto

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1- We'll start by casting tsukuyomi on him to figure out the jutsu
2- While still under the nightmare real(tsukuyomi), i'll manipulate him into undoing the jutsu

Notice he mentions he does all that while Kabuto is still inside his tsukuyomi. This shows Itachi can indeed control the length of his tsukuyomi

Another example is the fight against Sasuke. Notice that while Sasuke was under Tsukuyomi, we see Zetsu on the same page concerned about something happening

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If Zetsu had time to notice something while tsukuyomi was active, it shows the tsukuyomi Itachi used against Sasuke wasn't instant. Most likely he prolonged the effect in order for Sasuke to have time to break it. After all, he never wanted to defeat Sasuke in that fight, more like the contrary

Conclusion

1- Tsukuyomi can only be broken if Itachi prolongs the effect for more than an instant
2- If Itachi uses tsukuyomi the time of an instant in the real world, no one can break it

It happens in an instant to the people outside of the jutsu but if your the one in the jutsu it does not happen in an instant it's longer than that..I believe sasuke broke it cuz you need another chakara to interfere with urs oro chakara interfered with sasuke once sasuke let out the curse mark allowing sasuke to brake the genjutsu.

 

[TrollKing]

My scan zetsu calling itachi a noob and calling sasuke expert

 

[Bogard]

It happens in an instant to the people outside of the jutsu but if your the one in the jutsu it does not happen in an instant it's longer than that..I believe sasuke broke it cuz you need another chakara to interfere with urs oro chakara interfered with sasuke once sasuke let out the curse mark allowing sasuke to brake the genjutsu.

So basically the dude inside the illusion has time to try to break it right?

 

[TrollKing]

So basically the dude inside the illusion has time to try to break it right?

Kakashi had 72 hours to break it, otherwise he had to get 72 hrs S rape which he did receive

 

[Denzel Washington]

this should be obvious to anyone that isn't autistic.

 

[iSpeak]

But he did broke the genjutsu order of sleeping eventhough he still couldn't overcome ephemeral completely [

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] Kai release was used there

As for the point of the instant tsukuyomi, you got a point but it seems the simple fact of being inside tsukuyomi causes the breakdown later since mere illusions like Itachi killing Sasuke's parents or taking his eyes were enough to cause(or almost cause) breakdown in his spirit

He resisted the sleep command but that isn't breaking the genjutsu...

Tsukuyomi doesn't automaticaly cause a breakdown, it is what is shown. The longer the illusion, the more damage (in theory) but also the longer they have to break the Genjutsu. I dont know about you, but to me what Kakashi went through is worse than getting your eye taken out once.

So basically the dude inside the illusion has time to try to break it right?

As long as they have a Sharingan and I would guess strong enough Yin chakra to break it.

 

[TrollKing]

He resisted the sleep command but that isn't breaking the genjutsu...

Tsukuyomi doesn't automaticaly cause a breakdown, it is what is shown. The longer the illusion, the more damage but also the longer they have to break the Genjutsu. I dont know about you, but to me what Kakashi went through is worse than getting your eye taken out once.

If kakashi broke it in an hour or 2, it woulda been way much better. He won't collapse, that's for sure

 

[Bogard]

He resisted the sleep command but that isn't breaking the genjutsu...

Tsukuyomi doesn't automaticaly cause a breakdown, it is what is shown. The longer the illusion, the more damage but also the longer they have to break the Genjutsu. I dont know about you, but to me what Kakashi went through is worse than getting your eye taken out once.

I know he didn't break it, but the point is to say you can use kai release within the genjutsu

As for the breakdown point, i also think taking one's eye is nothing compared to getting stabbed multiple times for 72hrs. Reason why i mentioned that point to show you how despite small torture, it still almost caused a break down in Sasuke's spirit despite him breaking it later on, making me believe that world of tsukuyomi itself causes a mental stress to everyone inside there even besides the quality of illusion casted by the user

 

[iSpeak]

If kakashi broke it in an hour or 2, it woulda been way much better. He won't collapse, that's for sure

Part 1 definitely isn't breaking Tsukuyomi, I doubt part 2 could either.

 

[adeshina365]

An Itachi wank thread from T Bogard? What has this world come to...

Edit: I understand your point, but I think your wording is what's throwing some people off. No one is "immune" to genjutsu, some (including Perfect Jins and MS/EMS users) are easily able to break out of it though. We've seen with Bee that even Sasuke was able to put him under genjutsu for a few moments, against Itachi those moments would feel like days.