zabuza fought obito (manga proof)

[SharinganisOP]

Obito's renningan wasn't OP like his Sharinghan.

Obito abilities through sharinghan more powerful than his renningan since he doesn't exactly used renningan only 2 times.

1) controlling edo
2) renningan tensei on madara

Rinnegan is pretty OP. And believe me I know how OP the sharingan is, look at my name.

Your second sentence makes very little gramatical sense. I'm going to assume that you mean that the sharingan is more powerful than the rinnegan? For a mangekyo sharingan user like Obito, I would say that his Mangekyo is stronger than Madara's foreign rinnegan that is implanted in him, though still really powerful.

Also he didn't use the rinnegan to control the edo, specifically. He may have used the chakra reciever technique to control the tailed beast and jin completely, had them under genjutsu control layered over Kabuto's edo tensei, or Kabuto gave control of them to Obito. It isn't very specific, but he didn't control them directly with the rinnegan.

Also he has used rinne tensei on Madara, however he has stated that he can use the human path and he should be able to use all elements easily which is an ability of the rinnegan.

I don't think you are getting my point.

Yagura was ALIVE while Obito was controlling him when Zabuza attempted to assassinate Yagura. Yagura was not dead, he had no sharingan impanted into him, he had not rinnegan implanted into him, and he was simply being controlled with Obito's sharingan. The mizukage would not gain any abilities from Obito simply from being controlled by the sharingan.

Also, it says the attempt on the mizukage's life failed, which means he likely didn't get to the Mizukage and if he did get to him was defeated easily by him and never even saw Obito. If he had seen Obito that would be extremely bad for Obito's cover, and HE WOULD HAVE KILLED ZABUZA. Obito is a sensor type and would not allow Zabuza to get away, and it is impossible to run away from Obito.

 

[Katkot]

If you can't even know for certain, or at least defend your position on the Mizukage being dead, don't come and state your mislead point.


Would kakashi knew as the Mizukage..... not who Kisame knew as the real Mizukage...... if anyone other than kisame would have known there was a secret leader, obito would have killed him, and the word would have spread by then that there was a secret man behind the mizukage!
Sir, this is a vague and inconcrete thought!

This is all details about 4th mizukage and even naruto wiki doesn't mention that he was alive or dead when obito was controlling him.

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Yagura was mizukage, jinchircki of 3 tailed beast and top of that he was controlled by obito ..

Zabuza fought him and he failed to win however even obito who was the mizukage failed to kill zabuza as well.

 

[GhostProject]

This is a interesting detail.

It was most likely a controlled Yagura through genjutsu. Even if it was Obito, Zabuza wouldn't have lasted in a straight on fight, however, that is because his jutsu caters to an assassination style. He didn't get his mark and used guerrilla tactics because stealth is his strong suit.

Zabuza was underrated in part 1 because of his stealth abilities not taken into account, but he simply doesn't run with the part 2 leagues in a straight up fight because Zabuza has a classic ninja outline, not based on the ridiculous scale of power of the present jutsu. Specifically, he can't stop Obito's defensive kamui in this case.

 

[Katkot]

Rinnegan is pretty OP. And believe me I know how OP the sharingan is, look at my name.

Your second sentence makes very little gramatical sense. I'm going to assume that you mean that the sharingan is more powerful than the rinnegan? For a mangekyo sharingan user like Obito, I would say that his Mangekyo is stronger than Madara's foreign rinnegan that is implanted in him, though still really powerful.

Also he didn't use the rinnegan to control the edo, specifically. He may have used the chakra reciever technique to control the tailed beast and jin completely, had them under genjutsu control layered over Kabuto's edo tensei, or Kabuto gave control of them to Obito. It isn't very specific, but he didn't control them directly with the rinnegan.

Also he has used rinne tensei on Madara, however he has stated that he can use the human path and he should be able to use all elements easily which is an ability of the rinnegan.

I don't think you are getting my point.

Yagura was ALIVE while Obito was controlling him when Zabuza attempted to assassinate Yagura. Yagura was not dead, he had no sharingan impanted into him, he had not rinnegan implanted into him, and he was simply being controlled with Obito's sharingan. The mizukage would not gain any abilities from Obito simply from being controlled by the sharingan.

Also, it says the attempt on the mizukage's life failed, which means he likely didn't get to the Mizukage and if he did get to him was defeated easily by him and never even saw Obito. If he had seen Obito that would be extremely bad for Obito's cover, and HE WOULD HAVE KILLED ZABUZA. Obito is a sensor type and would not allow Zabuza to get away, and it is impossible to run away from Obito.

Zabuza failed to kill obito doesn't mean he can't escape !
Zabuza was member if anbu before he became member of 7 swordsmen.

His hidden mist jutsu can do the job to escape even against obito ..

Also there's no proof that mizukage was alive when obito was controlling him.

Finally I know renningan is stronger than sharinghan however obito is suck when it comes on renningan since he doesn't know how to use it like nagato and madara but he's very op when it come on sharinghan

 

[Angelic.]

what about the timeline? when did zabuza fight the mizukage and was it the 4th??

 

[ItachiUchiha777]

Obito is 2nd strongest character after madara and he isn't weak ..




That's happened but long time ago and zabuza fought mizukage which revealed later that he was obito and people here forgot about that until I made this thread .




Obito fought minato when he was around 13 to 14 years old.

How old obito now ? 30 (same as kakashi)
When did he attacked konoha ? 17 years ago (when naruto was born)


So

30-17 = 13 years old !!

He was kid when he fought minato ..


That doesn't change fact , it was obito.

Can't even realize the story line......by this time, Kakashi had already joined the anbu black ops, gotten his nickname, being assigned to take care of Kushina,

Graduate as Chunin at 13,
Kakashi already jonin
Rin dies
Kakashi anbu
1-2 years kushina's birth
Ta-da!!!
You have a 16-17 year old......


Obito was around 12-13 when he got crushed.....

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No, he fought (And lost to) Yagura.

 

[Katkot]

This is a interesting detail.

It was most likely a controlled Yagura through genjutsu. Even if it was Obito, Zabuza wouldn't have lasted in a straight on fight, however, that is because his jutsu caters to an assassination style. He didn't get his mark and used guerrilla tactics because stealth is his strong suit.

Zabuza was underrated in part 1 because of his stealth abilities not taken into account, but he simply doesn't run with the part 2 leagues in a straight up fight because Zabuza has a classic ninja outline, not based on the ridiculous scale of power of the present jutsu. Specifically, he can't stop Obito's defensive kamui in this case.

Zabuza is still can beat lots of powerful shinobi from part2 like darui, asuma , hidan and some of k11 members

If zabuza lived until part2 then he will definitely be at kage level

Although zabuza will not stand and let obito use his eye neither kakashi as they want to and that's
Zabuza always act fast.

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Also 1 sharinghan is useless once zabuza use his mist.

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Neither kakashi or obito could defeat zabuza by sharinghan or kamui because they can't see him and kakashi defeated him by summoning jutsu ..

 

[SharinganisOP]

Zabuza failed to kill obito doesn't mean he can't escape !
Zabuza was member if anbu before he became member of 7 swordsmen.

His hidden mist jutsu can do the job to escape even against obito ..

Also there's no proof that mizukage was alive when obito was controlling him.

Finally I know renningan is stronger than sharinghan however obito is suck when it comes on renningan since he doesn't know how to use it like nagato and madara but he's very op when it come on sharinghan

1. Yes, it means Zabuza couldn't escape if he fought with Obito. Obito would not let his identity, even if it was fake to become known. He may have fought the Mizukage that was being controlled by Obito, but I doubt he even got to the Mizukage.

2.So what if he was anbu or member of the seven swordsman? Obito has the mangekyo sharingan and is strong enough to where neither of those matters.

3. Being a SENSOR type ninja, who was able to immediately sense and follow Minato even though he teleported a large distance, He would easily follow and kill Zabuza even if a mist was constantly up.

4. I can easily prove that the Mizukage was alive and being controlled by Obito with his sharingan when Zabuza was attempting the assassination.

As you can see here. Yagura's eyes are normal, they ARE NOT EDO. The only way for someone to be dead and to be controlled by the sharingan is through edo tensei. The body is not dead, since he clearly is able to keep his eyes open, speak, and stand. Also if he were dead the mist ninja would recognize the dead scent or other signs showing that he is a corpse. The sharingan cannot control a strictly dead body, it can only control an edo body or an alive body (It obviously can't control dead bodies, because they have no senses to control).

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If you want I can provide more proof, but really just read chapter 507.

5. On your last point, I will agree that Obito knows how to use his sharingan better than he can use his rinnegan.

 

[Angelic.]

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obito>zabuza

 

[novacore]

Obito is 2nd strongest character after madara and he isn't weak ..




That's happened but long time ago and zabuza fought mizukage which revealed later that he was obito and people here forgot about that until I made this thread .




Obito fought minato when he was around 13 to 14 years old.

How old obito now ? 30 (same as kakashi)
When did he attacked konoha ? 17 years ago (when naruto was born)


So

30-17 = 13 years old !!

He was kid when he fought minato ..


That doesn't change fact , it was obito.

idc what you say. zabuza is the strongest nin in naruto verse, and makes obito look like fodder. if madara fought zabuza, it would be over in a second. madara would be begging for mercy.

 

[Katkot]

1. Yes, it means Zabuza couldn't escape if he fought with Obito. Obito would not let his identity, even if it was fake to become known. He may have fought the Mizukage that was being controlled by Obito, but I doubt he even got to the Mizukage.

2.So what if he was anbu or member of the seven swordsman? Obito has the mangekyo sharingan and is strong enough to where neither of those matters.

3. Being a SENSOR type ninja, who was able to immediately sense and follow Minato even though he teleported a large distance, He would easily follow and kill Zabuza even if a mist was constantly up.

4. I can easily prove that the Mizukage was alive and being controlled by Obito with his sharingan when Zabuza was attempting the assassination.

As you can see here. Yagura's eyes are normal, they ARE NOT EDO. The only way for someone to be dead and to be controlled by the sharingan is through edo tensei. The body is not dead, since he clearly is able to keep his eyes open, speak, and stand. Also if he were dead the mist ninja would recognize the dead scent or other signs showing that he is a corpse. The sharingan cannot control a strictly dead body, it can only control an edo body or an alive body (It obviously can't control dead bodies, because they have no senses to control).

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If you want I can provide more proof, but really just read chapter 507.

5. On your last point, I will agree that Obito knows how to use his sharingan better than he can use his rinnegan.

Zabuza fought him and he failed to assassin him and the matter about why obito didn't follow zabuza after the fight and kill him ??!

Manga didn't say anything how zabuza escaped from mizukage but in anime it was showing that group of mist anbu tried to capture zabuza after he failed to defeat mizukage.

I think obito sent them to capture zabuza but they failed as well

Can't even realize the story line......by this time, Kakashi had already joined the anbu black ops, gotten his nickname, being assigned to take care of Kushina,

Graduate as Chunin at 13,
Kakashi already jonin
Rin dies
Kakashi anbu
1-2 years kushina's birth
Ta-da!!!
You have a 16-17 year old......


Obito was around 12-13 when he got crushed.....

Wrong !!

He's at same age as kakashi both are 30 now and check naruto wiki.


Naruto now is 17 and obito attacked konoha once naruto born ..

30-17= 13 years old

what about the timeline? when did zabuza fight the mizukage and was it the 4th??

This page said everything about it (read his back round) and it was 4th mizukage yagura ..

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[Katkot]

idc what you say. zabuza is the strongest nin in naruto verse, and makes obito look like fodder. if madara fought zabuza, it would be over in a second. madara would be begging for mercy.

Haha , Dude take it easy ..
I am logical zabuza fan and I don't agree with you about zabuza can defeat madra lol

Zabuza is strong and underrated and nobody can deny that ..

 

[Kurama2012]

wow you are so desperate

what makes you think he actually fought the mizukage as all kakashi said is that he attempted and even if he did it would have been yagura not obito, even if he went up against obito (which i doubt) doesnt make him any stronger thats like if i went up to say mike tyson and challenged him to a fight and i just survive to run away does that mean im as op as mike tyson heck no i would just look like a fool whose ambitions was to high.

 

[novacore]

Haha , Dude take it easy ..
I am logical zabuza fan and I don't agree with you about zabuza can defeat madra lol

Zabuza is strong and underrated and nobody can deny that ..

all zabuza has to do is use mist, make madaras eyes useless, close his eyes if he has to and just use sound to beat him. its over. physical attacks work on madara, and zabuza has a sword. Sword > skin. Zabuza wins, he is god.

 

[johnny335704]

Zabuza is not under-rated. He has the 2nd strongest sword after Samehada from Hidden Mist.

Obviously he was not enough strong to win against Mizukage or his shinobis so he escaped & wsa looking for revenge during all his life but couldn't get it because he was not strong enough.

Now in 1v1, Kakashi will always have upper hand against Zabuza. so I think Zabuza is correctly rated.

 

[Kurama2012]

Haha , Dude take it easy ..
I am logical zabuza fan and I don't agree with you about zabuza can defeat madra lol

Zabuza is strong and underrated and nobody can deny that ..

but you aint logical your more desperate than using logic, trying to find any slight of info that can help you praise zabuza more than his worth. if you like zabuza fine, if you think zabuza is a powerful character again fine but these example are to far fetched to be taken serious

 

[dms_kakashi]

You can't deny manga page



Either way he fought zabuza and manga confirmed it.




That was kisame when he met mizukage and it appeared that was obito




I am trying my best

But how could you deny manga page ?
Everyone in ninja world know that zabuza fought mizukage obito that's why even kakashi already know that.


Such an ignorance post

Obito was controlling 6paths by his eyes and he gave them his power which mean mizukage could use some of obito's abilities



I provided scan from manga , read before you post

obito needs rinnegan for 6 paths u moron

 

[Kurama2012]

Zabuza is not under-rated. He has the 2nd strongest sword after Samehada from Hidden Mist.

Obviously he was not enough strong to win against Mizukage or his shinobis so he escaped & wsa looking for revenge during all his life but couldn't get it because he was not strong enough.

Now in 1v1, Kakashi will always have upper hand against Zabuza. so I think Zabuza is correctly rated.

how so ive never read anywhere that its the second strongest, out of all the swords i'd say chojiros is probably second strongest all zabuza's can do is cut and regenerate, also there are swords that use lightning, blow up and your telling me the executioner's blade is the 2nd strongest get out of here bro

 

[ItachiUchiha777]

Zabuza fought him and he failed to assassin him and the matter about why obito didn't follow zabuza after the fight and kill him ??!

Manga didn't say anything how zabuza escaped from mizukage but in anime it was showing that group of mist anbu tried to capture zabuza after he failed to defeat mizukage.

I think obito sent them to capture zabuza but they failed as well




Wrong !!

He's at same age as kakashi both are 30 now and check naruto wiki.


Naruto now is 17 and obito attacked konoha once naruto born ..

30-17= 13 years old





This page said everything about it (read his back round) and it was 4th mizukage yagura ..

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Are you really so baka to not even come to realize the story line as it was developed by the author?
You know, if you're gonna starts debate, come prepared c; not just with simple old assumptions c;