[Theory] The ten tails is the unexpected final villain

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Hello guys, it has been a long time since my previous theory. I see that the juubi theories are quite rare and so I decided to make a theory from what was revealed in the manga so far.

Firstly, many people believe that the mystery around ten tails is over and that everything about it has been divulged.Yet, kishimoto said in his later interview that he would tell more about the Juubi. In fact, the truth about ten tails is that it is a sentient being having a mind on its own.

The ten tails final form is the shinju but this does not imply this is its perfect form. In fact the shinju form is far from perfect because the defence of the shinju decreases while it is in the form of a tree and it weaker than it was in its monster form.The tree form leads to infinite tsukuyomi but though the tree is massive, it is quite vulnerable. Its roots were easily destroyed either with susanoo sword, tobirama's suiton or hiruzen's enma. While the monster form had a perfect defence(withstood its own bijuu dama), the shinju tree form may be massive but it has low defence. Moreover, considering that the shinju felt a need to transform, this could mean that the tree form is not quite perfect as we might think. The tree form has no mobility and is a lesser threat than the juubi's monster form.

What I believed happen after its chakra was taken:

The shinju assumed this form after absorbing natural energy from the earth through its roots.
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If you look close around its eye, you would notice the same shade as sage mode. I believe this is a sign that it has absorbed natural energy.
You can see this form here also if you look at bottom right corner of manga page:
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However, here it is the first form with all the bijuus. Look how it seemingly has fur. Nevertheless, because it is the first form, it has only arms but no legs.
As you see in the above, when kurama was describing the ten tails, he imagined only this form . My explanation is that this is the form that spread terror in the world, that is why it was possibly known as the main form. As readers, we know that ten tails has other forms.


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What I believe is that after some time, the ten tails mastered natural energy. In the above pic, you can see an additional shade around its mouth, human like features and hands on its tails. Also, it has obtained legs. There, the ten tails has mastered natural energy and is ascending from mindless monster to more human like. My explanation is that since it obtained full control over natural energy, it could transcend into a higher being (something human). Therefore, this transformation is superior than the previous form.
In its first form , it only acts as a vessel whereas in its second form, it has mastered natural energy. But still the above pic is not really the second form with all the bijuus. I will explain this later on in my theory.

Now, the ten tails was shown to initially have 9 tomoes but currently in the manga, it is being shown with 6 tomoes. I don't believe it is a mistake by Kishimoto. I think it was done deliberately.
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There, the ten tails also have 6 tomoes. Judging by the picture, it has already been sealed within the rikudo sennin. Why ? The fact that rikudo sennin is on something like a throne with the ten tails behind could mean juubi jin rikudo.

Well, I would explain why ten tails have only 6 tomoes. 6 in spiritual text or more commonly the bible is seen as a number signifying corruption. We all know that kishimoto includes spirituality in his manga. The number 6 and 9 associated with juubi isn't coincidence. 6 means corruption and 9(when 6 is rotated) means perfection. Like in the yin-yang principle, 6 is the yin and 9 is its counterpart yang. 6 is imperfection and 9 is divine/perfection. This theory points to the fact that after being sealed in hagoromo, juubi has been corrupted.

How? Here is the explanation. The rikudo sennin placed a seal on juubi's mind to restrict its control and so that he might be able to hold perfectly into his body. Had he not do it, the ten tails would have manipulated his mind and would have broken out. Sealing the juubi's mind is reducing its influence. This explains why currently, unlike kurama and the other bijuus, simple will can absolutely limit ten tails influence currently after the shinju's mind was sealed. Taking an example, through his will, obito got juubi under his control and became a perfect jinchuriki.

The meaning of the tomoes:

First 3 tomoes- body + chakra ( originally belonged to the juubi)
Other 3 tomoes- universal/ natural energy (since juubi is part of nature)
Next 3 tomoes- Mind

I am not sure whether at first, it had all the tomoes. However, what I believe is that after getting its mind sealed, the last tomoes disappeared.

Now, where did the other tomoes go?

My guess is that the juubi's mind was sealed into the sage's brother and the 3 previous tomoes as well.

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Here, you can see that initially the juubi had 9 tomoes: notice how it has 2 visible tomoes on first circle, 1 visible tomoe on the second circle and another one on the third circle. I believe that the other tomoes are hidden because the juubi's eye position. This means that the first circle has 3 tomoes , the circle has another 3 tomoes and the third and fourth circle has 3 tomoes altogether. You are not seeing all the tomoes in the pic because part of the juubi's eye is hidden.

Now after the juubi's mind was sealed in the sage's brother, I believe that later on, it was sealed into the elder brother Indra.

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The sealed juubi's mind caused a change in the elder son's eye which transformed from spiral to 3 tomoes, the juubi's mind forever corrupted the clan with the curse of hatred but bestow them powers more or less close to the rinnegan in terms of strength. While the rinnegan could use the six paths, the eye of the elder son enabled him to use perfect susanoo and other more powerful techniques. Furthermore, the 3 tomoe eye or the sharingan could control bijuus which were made from juubi's chakra.

Now the juubi's mind has set a cycle of hatred which ultimately has caused the revival of the ten tails by Obito and then Madara. But how is juubi going to be final villain?

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Through the god tree! The god tree does not have all its power but since it is connected to the ground and it is a tree, I believe that little by little it is absorbing energy, maybe natural energy to regain its full form once again. The juubi in Madara along with Madara would be absorbed into the gourd(the sage's tools previously found by tenten). Now, why did the sage not use the tools against juubi? It is because the tools require an answer from the one being sealed for the sealing to take place. Juubi can't talk but Madara can. They will both be sealed into the gourd. Then, the god tree will once again be at full power. What I believe will take place then is that Naruto would befriend the shinju which ultimately will cause its power to dissipate in all human beings. The world would be devoid of chakra without it being sucked out of them to cause their death. Also, I believe that the shinju's fruit will appear no more.
 
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it makes sense, the juubi is the Alpha of the series, so it should be the Omega by rights, gtg
 

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Hello everyone.
It's not been a lot of time since the last thread but I have another theory and I think this might be the best way for the manga to end.
(P.S I created this theory after reading a bunch of others so if something seems similar to you don't worry about that)
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This is going to be a theory about who the final villain is going to be, how Naruto and Sasuke might be able to survive and how the series will end

Here we go...

It all is going to start in what happened the last chapter. If you read it ? Good. If you didn't, here are the most important things that happened.
• Madara spit the Rikudou's tools
• Black Zetsu became the jinchuriki of Yin Kurama
• Madara arrived to where the other people are,asking for his eye back, more like taking it back

So we all can predict what is going to happen in the next chapter. Black zetsu is going to give Madara the other half of the Kyuubi and than Madara will have full 100% of the Juubi. What Rikudou predicted as the end of the world.
There is something different from Obito here so thats why I think that the final villain going to be the Juubi not Madara.

So if Madara is the final villain than everything will be the same as with Obito. He will most likely be 'talk no jutsu'ed by Sasuke and then revive everyone but that won't be the correct way of how the series must end. After some years People will forget what happened and start fighting again despite everything.Another crazy guy might come along and try to get world domination and hear about the story of the Juubi and he will try to revive it lasting in an everlasting cycle of hatred (No Izanami referrence)

I think the Juubi will be the Final villain. It will get out of Madara by ripping him to shreads from the inside since Madara is just keeping him at bay temporarely.
(That theory is written here )
(I doubt Madara will be killed by the Pt that will be to lame of a death for Madara)

The only way of ending everything is to concur the source of hatred which is the Juubi. But who will be the one to do this. The person who will do this all is the successor of the sage which is destined to bring ever lasting peace and guide the Bijuu the Right path, Naruto.

I think that the answer here is in the words Hagoromo told the Bijuu before dying.

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His words were that from now you will be always together and there will come the time when they will become one again. In different forms is the key word here I think he was talking about something different. Kishi sometimes plays with words, and I don't think he was just referring to how the bijuu are now but even when they become one again.

The only way for peace to come, and for a successor of the sage to be, the successor must do something that the sage wasn't able to. That thing is to convince the Shinju to forgive the Humans, but that is not possible when the Shinju is a mindless being that only want to destroy all humans and get it's chakra back.

So the Juubi must be conscious more than that smart, and able to understand and forgive the humans. I think that is why Hagoromo sealed the Mazou in the moon. He wanted to prevent the resurrection of the normal Juubi and just wanted the creation of a new Juubi. A Juubi with a mind.
Here Kishimoto is describing the evolution from a plant to a smart being an animal of even a Human.

For that to happen the Bijuu must not be forced to fusse with a vessel, but they must be willing to come together again in someone they can trust, and no one is better than Naruto.

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But for that to happen Naruto must survive and be on a top conditon to take the Bijuu out of the Juubi and Seal them all inside him once again.

The way I think Naruto will survive I think is this. There is a reason that the Pot of the Rikudou is spitten out by Madara. I think that accidentally someone will touch the port and yell Naruto's name thus resulting in Naruto getting sucked in the pot, because that's how the Pot works. We all know that in the pot there is someone that has chakra of the Kyuubi and that guy is Kinkaku. I doubt Kinkaku is there but I think that only the Chakra is present.There Naruto will come in contact with the Nine-tails chakra before that happening I think Naruto will be getting by any means possible some chakra of Gaara and the Hachibi so by the time he get's in the pot he won't not be missing any tailed beasts chakra.

In that way all the Bijuu will fuse inside Naruto. Using Naruto as the Vessel and making him the First pseudo Jinchuriki of a new being, a being so strong that, it will save Naruto and at that Moment Naruto will break the pot, and stand there as a badass. And that will be a great confrontation of the Old Juubi VS the New being that will be trusting the Humans.

I think that While Naruto will be in the pot that new being, let's call it . Steve will tell Naruto the story of how the Rikudou defeated the Juubi (asuming it will have the memory of the Shinju) and Naruto will convince him to forgive the humans and believe in him.

Whe he gets later out off the pot he will meet everyone half dead, and battle the Juubi to get the Bijuu out of him by destroying the Juubis shell once and for all. The Bijuu will then get inside Naruto and fuse together by their own will creating a new God, that will look after the world in the Future years, the True God of Peace.

Anyway how Naruto survives, He will have to create a new being a being from the Bijuu if he wan't to achieve everlasting peace. In that way the Manga will be finished correctly, by surpassing the Sage and achieving his dream of a world with everlasting peace.

So this was my theory, It was quite a big read and I really hope that you stayed with me all the way till the End.
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In all seriousness Guys Thanks a lot for Reading. You are all awesome.=D


He explains it quite well.
 

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The fact that it saw RS in Naruto and was even targeting Naruto when it was controlling Obito points towards a future encounter between Naruto and Juubi (despite the Obito and Madara Jin fillers) it is inevitable because if we're not going to see it again then it would leave a gaping plot hole, and Kishimoto pretty much confirmed in his November 2013 interview that Juubi will return:

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"The battle of Naruto and his comrades is in it’s final phase, in the truest sense of the term. About the Ten Tails, about Madara, and then, about Sasuke…I will continue to raise the tension without restraint, in every way I can! Please follow this story of a boy named Naruto a little while longer, I will greatly appreciate it."
 
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Plus I'd like to add some details .

The other reason why I think the Juubi will be the main villain is the fact that I doubt that Kishimoto will use the Juubi just for the sake of Madara and Obito being Jinchuurikis . As Derp Obito said , Juubi still tends to target Naruto , this explains that he still has hatred for Rikudo Sennin for stealing his freedom .This will result on the 2nd battle of "Rikudo v Juubi" , the 2nd Rikudo being Naruto Uzumaki . Again , great theory , Lumos . Nice to see you doing such great things , I loved the 6/9 tomoe explantion .


Keep up the good work . :)
 

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The Lotus is the flower of rebirth in Buddhism

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In Naruto it's the mirror opposite: The Shinju's lotus shall bloom under the moonlight ( a real lotus blooms at sunlight) The Demonic Statue sitting in a Lotus (Buddha sits on a Lotus)

The image depicts being reborn inside a Lotus in the Pure Land, in Naruto it's the opposite, the material world is the Impure Land (hence the name of Edo Tensei: Summon Impure World resurrection) if the Juubi is going to be reborn, it's most probably through the Flower.

This is an excerpt from the book "The Gods of Northern Buddhism: Their History and Iconography" by Alice Getty:

The lotus support of a Buddha or Bodhisattva if painted is red, of a Dharmapala pink, the fiercest Dharmapalas are supported by a pink lotus

A Dharmapala is a wrathful deity, not necessarily evil, but wrathful, speaking with a Buddhist friend, the Shinjū can be considered a Dharmapala because it is a wrathful deity, it only became wrathful after its fruit was stolen

In the anime, the Mokuton Lotus supporting the Gedo Mazo is Pink

Also, from an author's perspective: Why introduce the Shinju backstory of how humanity stole the Tree's power if the author does not intend to make a resolution of this past transgression? moral didacticism entails the Shinju to assume a main role in seeking reparations for the sins of the past. If Madara is the end-all of the Manga then there would be no reason in introducing this plot point.
 

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The Lotus is the flower of rebirth in Buddhism

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In Naruto it's the mirror opposite: The Shinju's lotus shall bloom under the moonlight ( a real lotus blooms at sunlight) The Demonic Statue sitting in a Lotus (Buddha sits on a Lotus)

The image depicts being reborn inside a Lotus in the Pure Land, in Naruto it's the opposite, the material world is the Impure Land (hence the name of Edo Tensei: Summon Impure World resurrection) if the Juubi is going to be reborn, it's most probably through the Flower.

This is an excerpt from the book "The Gods of Northern Buddhism: Their History and Iconography" by Alice Getty:



A Dharmapala is a wrathful deity, not necessarily evil, but wrathful, speaking with a Buddhist friend, the Shinjū can be considered a Dharmapala because it is a wrathful deity, it only became wrathful after its fruit was stolen

In the anime, the Mokuton Lotus supporting the Gedo Mazo is Pink

Also, from an author's perspective: Why introduce the Shinju backstory of how humanity stole the Tree's power if the author does not intend to make a resolution of this past transgression? moral didacticism entails the Shinju to assume a main role in seeking reparations for the sins of the past. If Madara is the end-all of the Manga then there would be no reason in introducing this plot point.


Great work .

I hope so.
Madara is getting boring.

Well , Madara was boring from the start . Can't expect much from such an one-dimensional "villain" . Kishi is just using him to sell more manga because people like explosions .
 

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it makes sense, the juubi is the Alpha of the series, so it should be the Omega by rights, gtg
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He explains it quite well.
Huh, I saw that as well but the final theory would be much different than his.
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XDXDXD rolling on the ground with laughter after reading this.!!
Ten tails is the final vilain, what a joke ._.
Agreed , I've always said this .
You are a logical member. Lol, I already knew it.
The fact that it saw RS in Naruto and was even targeting Naruto when it was controlling Obito points towards a future encounter between Naruto and Juubi (despite the Obito and Madara Jin fillers) it is inevitable because if we're not going to see it again then it would leave a gaping plot hole, and Kishimoto pretty much confirmed in his November 2013 interview that Juubi will return:

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"The battle of Naruto and his comrades is in it’s final phase, in the truest sense of the term. About the Ten Tails, about Madara, and then, about Sasuke…I will continue to raise the tension without restraint, in every way I can! Please follow this story of a boy named Naruto a little while longer, I will greatly appreciate it."
Yes, I will include this later and finish the theory. =D Thanks for reading Sir Derp Obito.
nice theory

Plus I'd like to add some details .

The other reason why I think the Juubi will be the main villain is the fact that I doubt that Kishimoto will use the Juubi just for the sake of Madara and Obito being Jinchuurikis . As Derp Obito said , Juubi still tends to target Naruto , this explains that he still has hatred for Rikudo Sennin for stealing his freedom .This will result on the 2nd battle of "Rikudo v Juubi" , the 2nd Rikudo being Naruto Uzumaki . Again , great theory , Lumos . Nice to see you doing such great things , I loved the 6/9 tomoe explantion .


Keep up the good work . :)
I think that is what is going to happen. Judging by the manga, Madara is going to fail soon. Also, thank you for your contribution.


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The Lotus is the flower of rebirth in Buddhism

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In Naruto it's the mirror opposite: The Shinju's lotus shall bloom under the moonlight ( a real lotus blooms at sunlight) The Demonic Statue sitting in a Lotus (Buddha sits on a Lotus)

The image depicts being reborn inside a Lotus in the Pure Land, in Naruto it's the opposite, the material world is the Impure Land (hence the name of Edo Tensei: Summon Impure World resurrection) if the Juubi is going to be reborn, it's most probably through the Flower.

This is an excerpt from the book "The Gods of Northern Buddhism: Their History and Iconography" by Alice Getty:



A Dharmapala is a wrathful deity, not necessarily evil, but wrathful, speaking with a Buddhist friend, the Shinjū can be considered a Dharmapala because it is a wrathful deity, it only became wrathful after its fruit was stolen

In the anime, the Mokuton Lotus supporting the Gedo Mazo is Pink

Also, from an author's perspective: Why introduce the Shinju backstory of how humanity stole the Tree's power if the author does not intend to make a resolution of this past transgression? moral didacticism entails the Shinju to assume a main role in seeking reparations for the sins of the past. If Madara is the end-all of the Manga then there would be no reason in introducing this plot point.

I agree with you has a final role in the plot irrespective of Madara and I think it would do that on its own. Only then would the manga reach a definite conclusion.
 

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I agree with that theory the Juubi is destined to be the final Villain. The explanation you gave was quite better than mine, so Great work for that.



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The Lotus is the flower of rebirth in Buddhism

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In Naruto it's the mirror opposite: The Shinju's lotus shall bloom under the moonlight ( a real lotus blooms at sunlight) The Demonic Statue sitting in a Lotus (Buddha sits on a Lotus)

The image depicts being reborn inside a Lotus in the Pure Land, in Naruto it's the opposite, the material world is the Impure Land (hence the name of Edo Tensei: Summon Impure World resurrection) if the Juubi is going to be reborn, it's most probably through the Flower.

This is an excerpt from the book "The Gods of Northern Buddhism: Their History and Iconography" by Alice Getty:



A Dharmapala is a wrathful deity, not necessarily evil, but wrathful, speaking with a Buddhist friend, the Shinjū can be considered a Dharmapala because it is a wrathful deity, it only became wrathful after its fruit was stolen

In the anime, the Mokuton Lotus supporting the Gedo Mazo is Pink

Also, from an author's perspective: Why introduce the Shinju backstory of how humanity stole the Tree's power if the author does not intend to make a resolution of this past transgression? moral didacticism entails the Shinju to assume a main role in seeking reparations for the sins of the past. If Madara is the end-all of the Manga then there would be no reason in introducing this plot point.

You could say that Derps explanation makes sense too. Since the lotus the Gedo mazou had was Pink. Pink is the same colour of the lotus of the Dharmapala. The Dharmapala will be the Final conscious version of the Juubi. It makes sense, because that will be the final front of hatred Naruto has sworn to solve in order to achieve peace.
 

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The fact that it saw RS in Naruto and was even targeting Naruto when it was controlling Obito points towards a future encounter between Naruto and Juubi (despite the Obito and Madara Jin fillers) it is inevitable because if we're not going to see it again then it would leave a gaping plot hole

Actually, Jūbi felt only the chakra of the Bijū in Naruto(Madara said that). The silhouette of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki on the other hand was in my opinion a tip that the Bijū have still connections to him. That's why Naruto will meet him in the next chapter, probably.
Your story makes sense, but it would also throw up vast amounts of questions, which Kishimoto-sensei will never answer completely, unfortunately.
Besides Jūbi is a being which disposes of no emotions. Narutos and Kuramas statement regarding Jūbi in chapter 610 can prove it without doubt.
Jūbi acts exclusively from an impulse ~ It want's just his chakra back.

A conversation between Naruto and a being without feelings isn't interesting though.
 
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Wouldn't it make more sense if it took over Madara's body like it tried to do to Obito, it was noted that its power is more focused and directed while in a host.

I think that it will eventually overpower and take control of Madara's body and use him like a puppet on strings.
 

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The closest thing to Sentient Juubi in the manga, is Mindless Juubito.
 

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Yea I can totally agree with your theory as usual I'm always impressed your theory.
 

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so is something going to pop out of the flower instead of the tsukyomi? lol madara will get trolled. i hope it steps on him
 
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