Orochimaru & Tobirama VS Jiraiya & Minato

[Latios]

Jiraiya was regaining his strength throughout the battle, as seeing drugs wear of, Orochimaru's handicap was permanent. Orochimaru said their handicaps were "equal" but there was still no contest between the two.

If Jiraiya can go into SM during this battle (with Tobirama speeding everywhere, so I doubt) he can utilize it.


He left after the punch Tsunade gave him which BARELY broke his facial mask. Orochimaru clearly saw that having this battle was going to go nowhere, considering Tsunade refused to heal him and showed constant defiance. He was in extreme amounts of Pain, he had a fever, his arms were rotting, he couldn't use ninjutsu. Now tell me, if you realized that this battle was pointless, would you stay or leave?

It's heavily implied Orochimaru is superior,

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"Sensei, Senjutsu isn't exactly your forte"
for·te1
ˈfôrˌtā,fôrt/
noun
1.
a thing at which someone excels.
"small talk was not his forte"
synonyms: strength, strong point, specialty, strong suit, talent, special ability, skill, bent, gift, métier; informalthing
"acting had always been her forte"
antonyms: weakness
2.
FENCING
the stronger part of a sword blade, from the hilt to the middle.
"That's an UNDERSTATEMENT"
un·der·state·ment
ˈəndərˌstātmənt/
noun
1.
the presentation of something as being smaller, worse, or less important than it actually is.
"a master of English understatement"
synonyms: minimization, trivialization, euphemism; More

Woah there, looks like someone is trying to use the Dictionary.

 

[A v i]

He left after the punch Tsunade gave him which BARELY broke his facial mask. Orochimaru clearly saw that having this battle was going to go nowhere, considering Tsunade refused to heal him and showed constant defiance. He was in extreme amounts of Pain, he had a fever, his arms were rotting, he couldn't use ninjutsu. Now tell me, if you realized that this battle was pointless, would you stay or leave?

You know that we can do this forever,It is clear as day we don't agee with eachother no matter what and it is pointless as it won't help us to go any further so let us agree to disagree with eachother regarding this matter.

It's heavily implied Orochimaru is superior,

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Iam more than certain Godly of all people is fully aware of the fact that manga hype holds almost no relevance in VS threads and that portrayal won't suggest that Orochimaru is miles above Jiraiya.Naruto barely lost to Sasuke and that fight was not to decide which one is stronger,it is just a battle necessary for plot.According to my knowledge Naruto was stronger than VOTE Sasuke thanks to his summoning jutsu but he never used it.I admit the fact Orochimaru is miles above Jiraiya when it comes to intelligence department but when it comes to strength they are more or less equal and I presonally belive that Jiraiya is slightly stronger(Well thats just my opinion though).

"Sensei, Senjutsu isn't exactly your forte"
for·te1
ˈfôrˌtā,fôrt/
noun
1.
a thing at which someone excels.
"small talk was not his forte"
synonyms: strength, strong point, specialty, strong suit, talent, special ability, skill, bent, gift, métier; informalthing
"acting had always been her forte"
antonyms: weakness
2.
FENCING
the stronger part of a sword blade, from the hilt to the middle.
"That's an UNDERSTATEMENT"
un·der·state·ment
ˈəndərˌstātmənt/
noun
1.
the presentation of something as being smaller, worse, or less important than it actually is.
"a master of English understatement"
synonyms: minimization, trivialization, euphemism; More

It would be cool if u actually explain the point insted of posting this: I admit that Minato has drawbacks and they are the amount of time it takes to enter SM and the amount of time he can maintain it.Both can be removed by using Ma & Pa.

Minato did say SM isn't his forte, but he was referring to the amount of time to enter and maintain the mode, which is quite underwhelming compared to let's say Naruto or Hashirama for example. It's for that reason he said he sucked at SM, but inside SM he does control the mode as perfectly as them, even better than someone like Jiraya

Exactly.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato did say SM isn't his forte, but he was referring to the amount of time to enter and maintain the mode, which is quite underwhelming compared to let's say Naruto or Hashirama for example. It's for that reason he said he sucked at SM, but inside SM he does control the mode as perfectly as them, even better than someone like Jiraya

This, plus it's like people forget Ma and Pa exist U_U

I don't understand why Jiraya's sage mode comment didn't get this much criticism when he's far worse with senjutsu.

 

[Joker]

Woah there, looks like someone is trying to use the Dictionary.

To lazy to type it myself, who're you anyways...?

You know that we can do this forever,It is clear as day we don't agee with eachother no matter what and it is pointless as it won't help us to go any further so let us agree to disagree with eachother regarding this matter.


Iam more than certain Godly of all people is fully aware of the fact that manga hype holds almost no relevance in VS threads and that portrayal won't suggest that Orochimaru is miles above Jiraiya.Naruto barely lost to Sasuke and that fight was not to decide which one is stronger,it is just a battle necessary for plot.According to my knowledge Naruto was stronger than VOTE Sasuke thanks to his summoning jutsu but he never used it.I admit the fact Orochimaru is miles above Jiraiya when it comes to intelligence department but when it comes to strength they are more or less equal and I presonally belive that Jiraiya is slightly stronger(Well thats just my opinion though).



It would be cool if u actually explaine the point insted of posting this: I admit that Minato has draw backs and they are the amount of time it takes to enter SM and the amount of time he can maintain it.Both can be removed by using Ma & Pa.

Orochimaru has all the capabilities of taking down Jiraiya. I would quote a debate I read, but too lazy... u_u, summonings are obviously countered with summonings, all Jiraiya's physical attacks are laughed off, there's really nothing he can do.
I'll explain later, i'll take a break for now.

 

[Latios]

To lazy to type it myself, who're you anyways...?

Orochimaru has all the capabilities of taking down Jiraiya. I would quote a debate I read, but too lazy... u_u, summonings are obviously countered with summonings, all Jiraiya's physical attacks are laughed off, there's really nothing he can do.
I'll explain later, i'll take a break for now.

Manda isn't killing all of the Toads.

Jiraiya's Physical Attacks aren't weak at all...

 

[Joker]

Manda isn't killing all of the Toads.

Jiraiya's Physical Attacks aren't weak at all...

When did I say Manda would be handeling all the Toads? Orochimaru summons random snakes, while Tobirama spams his Edo-Bomb jutsu.
Jiraiya's physical attacks aren't doing shit to Orochimaru in base, Hydra, or his True Form.

 

[A v i]

Orochimaru has all the capabilities of taking down Jiraiya. I would quote a debate I read, but too lazy... u_u, summonings are obviously countered with summonings, all Jiraiya's physical attacks are laughed off, there's really nothing he can do.
I'll explain later, i'll take a break for now.

No problem bro,take your own time.It is not like Jiraiya can only use physical attacks to harm Orochimaru and he has other alternatives such as underworld swapping to deal with summons so he don't have to rely on summons to deal with Orochimaru's summons.Whatever,I'll wait for ur argument.*_*

 

[Latios]

When did I say Manda would be handeling all the Toads? Orochimaru summons random snakes, while Tobirama spams his Edo-Bomb jutsu.
Jiraiya's physical attacks aren't doing shit to Orochimaru in base, Hydra, or his True Form.

What makes you think Jiraiya can't do shit to Base Orochimaru?

Orochimaru's tiny snake summons are nothing compared to the Toads.

 

[Joker]

No problem bro,take your own time.It is not like Jiraiya can only use physical attacks to harm Orochimaru and he has other alternatives such as underworld swapping to deal with summons so he don't have to rely on summons to deal with Orochimaru's summons.Whatever,I'll wait for ur argument.*_*

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Countering The Toads​

As known for Jiraiya's fighting style and the need of toads especially against a foe of Orochimaru' level, he will have Ma undoubtedly summon the 3 toad warriors. In case if that happens, Orochimaru will too summon his 3 giant snakes as well

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. With their giant size and their poison can potentially kill the toads. Although, Jiraiya will immediately proceed using his Doton swamp to bury them as he did in the Manga, so that will prove them useless. Well in this case, Orochimaru can summon the powerful Manda. With Manda being summoned, taking care of the toads will be no problem.

Not only Manda displayed immense speed that can speedblitz almost anyone [

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], but as well as impressive reflexes and reactions [

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]. Since there are 3 toads here, Orochimaru can coordinate his attacks with Manda for this case. For example, Manda speedblitz Gamabunta in order to kill him, and Gamahiro tries to intercept the attack, Orochimaru can strike him with the sword of Kusanagi [

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] in order to kill him. Thanks to the Sword of Kusanagi, it has the ability to pierce even diamonds. Gamahiro's flesh will be dead in seconds. With Gamabunta and Gamahiro out of the line, handling the last toad Gamakechi will be an easy job.


With the 3 toads dead, Jiraiya no longer has the fire-power to deal with Manda, especially with the latter's body shedding. Although, you might use the toads sound technique [1], that will indeed counter Manda if Jiraiya proceeds to kill off Manda with Odama Rasengan, but Orochimaru will unfortunately be safe from the jutsu for several reasons.

-The technique works similar to Hakugeki no jutsu, where it rubs the bones. Orochimaru possess Zetsu's body, being show to lack the presence of bones:

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The other problems Jiraiya can offer to Orochimaru, is the sound genjutsu through Ma and Pa. However, that technique uses prep time, which can be disturbed by Orochimaru's wide of range of techniques such as:

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Lets not also forget that Orochimaru can utilize clones, since he gained this ability from Zetsu [

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]. All those techniques will pressure the toads and Jiraiya preventing them from performing the Genjutsu.

All of Jiraiya's destructive techniques such as the Odama Rasengan and wide range of Katon will not damage Orochimaru. Thanks to the ''Power Of White Snake'', Orochimaru gains complete immortality and regeneration which can be seen through these scans > [

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] [

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]. With that being said, Jiraiya has no possible way of putting down Orochimaru at all. But how can Orochimaru put down SM Jiraiya, well i will demonstrate 2 methods:
Method 1

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You may think Orochimaru can use this jutsu every 3 years, however, Juugo one of Orochimaru's experiments implied Orochimaru can use it more with Zetsu's body [

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]. This is quite possible due to Hashirama's DNA inside of him. With that being said, Orochimaru can gain access to his true form. To put down Jiraiya, Orochimaru can use his body as poison to paralyze Jiraiya [

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]. With Jiraiya paralyzed and unable to move, Orochimaru can strike him with the sword of Kusanagi killing him once and for all, or simply swallow him in another way of killing him.

Method 2

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Orochimaru's strongest technique, Yamata no Jutsu. Those 8 snakes are bigger and more powerful than even Manda, stated in the databook.

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NINJUTSU; Yamata no jutsu (Eight-Branched Hydra technique*)
User: Orochimaru
Offensive; Defensive; Supplementary; Rank: S

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Shortly before his demise**, Orochimaru spent his last** forces releasing this hijutsu (Arcane/Secret technique), seizing his opportunity when Sasuke, who had absorbed him, exhausted the chakra he used to suppress him.
Out of Sasuke's Cursed Seal came forth Orochimaru, shapeshifted into an eight-headed, eight-tailed white snake, via the White Snake's power of regeneration.
This is Orochimaru's greatest, most powerful jutsu, the embodiment of a long-lived, implacable tenacity, that trampled the Uchiha hideout by merely crawling onto its scaly abdomen...!!

Captions

-A python with eight heads, [a body] expanding into eight edges. Its wicked excellence is the incarnation of an longstanding resentment!!

-This is the manifestation of the Orochi's* staunch determination...!!

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-Boasting a gigantic frame, even moreso than that of Manda, who is dreaded as the strongest of pythons. Ferociously baring its fangs, it is ominous in appearance. Transcending an Orochi*, it is more akin to a King Dragon...!!

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-Orochimaru has achieved a Rebirth that lets him come back no matter how far he is pushed past death's threshold. The source of his tenacity is the power of the White Snake, which governs good fortune and rebirth. Orochimaru put his hands on the White Snake's regeneration abilities after long years of study and research.

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-His ambition has yet to crumble!!

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-The day young Orochimaru got ahold of the symbol of rebirth, he grew deranged and hellbent on immortality, a dark purpose that swallowed him whole.

Unlike the other snakes, Orochimaru can transmit some of his abilities through them such as the body shedding etc. Since they also have the ability to manifest the Sword of Kusanagi at Orochimaru's will, 8 giant sword with its power to pierce anything aiming at once on Jiraiya, the match becomes over.

 

[A v i]

^^^That post is too big for me to counter.XD

 

[Joker]

^^^That post is too big for me to counter.XD

So I guess it's established, Orochimaru > Jiraiya... u_u

 

[A v i]

So I guess it's established, Orochimaru > Jiraiya... u_u

I didn't said that I quit though.:snick:

 

[Joker]

I didn't said that I quit though.:snick:

Then i'll be waiting for your counter... u_u

 

[A v i]

Then i'll be waiting for your counter... u_u

I'll do it sooner or later,even if we leave this thread.I'll atleast PM u with my counter.:bouncy:

 

[Bogard]

Lol Joker did you copy Madara Rules post in our tournament debate or are you him?

 

[Joker]

Lol Joker did you copy Madara Rules post in our tournament debate or are you him?

I told you, i'm to lazy to counter it myself, so I just copied and pasted. u_u If someone makes an interesting argument, i'll counter myself. u_u

 

[A v i]

Lol Joker did you copy Madara Rules post in our tournament debate or are you him?

He is Godly bro,one of loyal Orochimaru fans.

 

[Bogard]

I told you, i'm to lazy to counter it myself, so I just copied and pasted. u_u If someone makes an interesting argument, i'll counter myself. u_u

Haha i see. Well since i countered the post in question myself in the debate, should i count? :heh:

He is Godly bro,one of loyal Orochimaru fans.

Ah didn't know. Now it makes more sense lol

 

[Joker]

Haha i see. Well since i countered the post in question myself in the debate, should i count? :heh:

If you re-post it. I'm down going against the one of the only credible Minato fans... u_u

 

[A v i]

Haha i see. Well since i countered the post in question myself in the debate, should i count? :heh:

If u have a counter then plz post it here.I'll continue your legacy.Due to unknown reasons my broadband is slow as hell now.It is taking shit load of time just to reload a page,it is hard for me to search for manga pages so plz post it.