Orochimaru & Tobirama VS Jiraiya & Minato

[Bogard]

Team2 wins. You have 2boss summon users here versus 1. Jiraya and Minato are students and master when Orochimaru and Tobirama never met in life, so Jiraya and Minato's combos will be more effective. Jiraya will probably summon one giant toad to upgrade his fire power when Orochimaru will summon a snake summon. Minato may summon another(most likely Gamabunta) or just simply try to take advantage of Jiraya's wide range ninjutsu to capitalize on an opponent

The Gk can't be used in battle recklessly. Tobirama would have to be sure to be out of the range as well as his partner before using it.

If Minato is engaging Orochimaru or Tobirama in a close range situation, i wonder how he would cast the jutsu without killing himself or his partner. Not to mention it follows the same rules as explosive tags. The detonation time is enough for a Hiraishin user to get out of the way, especially someone like Minato who could go in and out a 8gated Gai before he can even move an inch. Jiraya can use swamp of the underground to sink the edo fodder and maybe even Tobirama or/and Orochimaru as well. Unless Tobirama left tags out, i don't see how he gets outside the range of the jutsu

 

[Steinbiz]

Sage mode isn't restricted? Team 2 mid diff at most.

SM Minato >> Tobirama (even with 1 random edo)
SM Jiraiya >> Orochimaru

 

[Penguin]

Sage mode isn't restricted? Team 2 mid diff at most.

SM Minato >> Tobirama (even with 1 random edo)
SM Jiraiya >> Orochimaru

SM Minato = Minato due to his fighting style. He only has spurts of SM for like five seconds anyway. And Jiraiya is not getting in SM during this confrontation. How long does it take Minato to gather that energy by the way? Unknown.

 

[Rinnesense]

Team 2 wins.

 

[Gold Lightning]

SM Minato = Minato due to his fighting style. He only has spurts of SM for like five seconds anyway. And Jiraiya is not getting in SM during this confrontation. How long does it take Minato to gather that energy by the way? Unknown.

How is sm minato = base minato

Do I have to list all the benefits that come with sm?

And minatos time limit and gathering time is unknown. But the whole 5 second thing is pure crap baseless speculation. Considering Narutos first sm transformation with no training, it's not a crime to believe it to be a couple minutes.

And it's not hard to use shadow clones and toads as distractions whole Jiraya enters sage mode. Minato can even protect him by marking him with his jutsu formula to get him out of tight spots. He did it against pain on his own while running, it's not impossible.

 

[Penguin]

How is sm minato = base minato

Do I have to list all the benefits that come with sm?

And minatos time limit and gathering time is unknown. But the whole 5 second thing is pure crap baseless speculation. Considering Narutos first sm transformation with no training, it's not a crime to believe it to be a couple minutes.

You can list them, but they don't help Minato's fighting style. He is already a good sensor and has ample reactions. How long does Minato's SM last by the way? He said he was not that good in it and he only used it against Madara, the Juubi's Jin. He won't use it against these two.

 

[blazekev90]

Lol @ people being concerned about GK. Orochimaru wouldn't be in harms way, especially since he has two ways of avoiding it quite easily.

OT: Tobimara makese lean towards team #2, but I think Orochimaru can shift the fight in their favor.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You can list them, but they don't help Minato's fighting style. He is already a good sensor and has ample reactions. How long does Minato's SM last by the way? He said he was not that good in it and he only used it against Madara, the Juubi's Jin. He won't use it against these two.

So the increased strength does nothing? The increased perception and speed (shunshin)? The increased durability/tanking.

He won't use it because you say so, despite viz saying he's used it before?

Even if it's only short bursts, he can continually do that since there is no draw back to it.

 

[Penguin]

So the increased strength does nothing? The increased perception and speed (shunshin)? The increased durability/tanking.

He won't use it because you say so, despite viz saying he's used it before?

Even if it's only short bursts, he can continually do that since there is no draw back to it.

He used it in training of course, not in a real battle. Unless you got a scan saying otherwise.

Except he needs to draw in the energy which takes a long time. He won't get that time with Orochimaru and Tobirama pressuring him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

He used it in training of course, not in a real battle. Unless you got a scan saying otherwise.

Except he needs to draw in the energy which takes a long time. He won't get that time with Orochimaru and Tobirama pressuring him.

Check the viz scan, he said he hasn't used it in battle "much". Meaning he's used it, just not a lot. I can't provide the scan on my phone.

The theory was the whole short burst thing meant less senjutsu gathered, the quicker you enter sage mode but the faster you finish that senjutsu. Would explain why Minato entered it so quickly against Madara(yes it was quick and I can prove it).

Again, toads + clones + FTG makes gathering senjutsu easier in battle, I don't think I need to give an example of how this can be pulled off.

 

[Steinbiz]

SM Minato = Minato due to his fighting style. He only has spurts of SM for like five seconds anyway. And Jiraiya is not getting in SM during this confrontation. How long does it take Minato to gather that energy by the way? Unknown.

Your post is HIGHLY debatable. Sm is Sm, whatever the fighting style. So Minato still has Ultimate Rasengans, insane strength, speed, stamina, durability. And sensory greater that any other(even Inoichi and Ao).

Jiraiya can fend off Manda and snake attacks while going into SM. It won't be easy by ANY means, but he could pull it off if he did it correctly. I don't see why he didn't just summon Bunta, Hiro AND Ken during his transformation against Pain's summoning body, but hey who knows. Plot ovbiously.

As for how long it takes Minato to go into SM, that's really unknown at this point. As we've seen, he did it instantly, although he stated it takes him too long to knead the chakra for it. Which means maybe he needs a little time to passively gather natural energy during combat. We don't know. And slow for Minato is still Goku speed for everyone else anyway XD

 

[Latios]

Ughh another

Minato Fans V Orochimaru Fans
Jiraiya Fans S Tobirama Fans

thread

 

[Joker]

Your post is HIGHLY debatable. Sm is Sm, whatever the fighting style. So Minato still has Ultimate Rasengans, insane strength, speed, stamina, durability. And sensory greater that any other(even Inoichi and Ao).

Jiraiya can fend off Manda and snake attacks while going into SM. It won't be easy by ANY means, but he could pull it off if he did it correctly. I don't see why he didn't just summon Bunta, Hiro AND Ken during his transformation against Pain's summoning body, but hey who knows. Plot ovbiously.

As for how long it takes Minato to go into SM, that's really unknown at this point. As we've seen, he did it instantly, although he stated it takes him too long to knead the chakra for it. Which means maybe he needs a little time to passively gather natural energy during combat. We don't know. And slow for Minato is still Goku speed for everyone else anyway XD

Manda blitzes any toad or summon brought onto the battlefield, Manda handled to boss Summons with ease, was about to kill Jiraiya and Bunta if it wasn't for Tsunade intervening.

 

[A v i]

He used it in training of course, not in a real battle. Unless you got a scan saying otherwise.

He said I haven't used it much in real combat implying that he used it during his battles.

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[ARGUS]

Tobirama and Orochimaru win this extreme diff
mainly due to the fact that orochimaru would be a pain in the ass for them to kill,,
and tobirama has superior stamina and chakra reserves compared to Minato,,,allowiing him to use FTG for longer periods of time

 

[KidGamer65]

Would explain why Minato entered it so quickly against Madara(yes it was quick and I can prove it).

Lol, the same old fapboy with the same old BS.

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[pateuvasiliu]

Team 2 mid diff.

the same old fapboy with the same old BS.

Feats > Hype.

He entered instantly.

Minato said it takes too long, sure, but he was comparing it to the way he fights, which is always being on the move. Sage Mode is not his style.

That doesn't mean he's bad at it.

 

[Joker]

Team 2 mid diff.



Feats > Hype.

He entered instantly.

Minato said it takes too long, sure, but he was comparing it to the way he fights, which is always being on the move. Sage Mode is not his style.

That doesn't mean he's bad at it.

He said it was, it's not being used here. Orochimaru should have knowledge on it anyways considering you can see through your Edo-Tensei.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Lol, the same old fapboy with the same old BS.

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You don't know what minato considers fast or slow.

The feat is right there, since you can't disprove it stop getting mad amd just don't reply.

 

[Joker]

You don't know what minato considers fast or slow.

The feat is right there, since you can't disprove it stop getting mad amd just don't reply.

I don't think it should be a factor if Minato said it not being his forte is an understatement, so we should stop having this debate and move onto the actual battle.