Why I hate feminist

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Those are extreme examples.

I, myself, am a feminist. Meaning, I simply not follow the collective mentality set for standard behaviour towards women. I don't condone sexual talk towards women and always tell my friends to stfu. I absolutely despise prostitution and never join in degrading conversations about women. I tend to remind myself "that's someone's daughter/cousin/mum", as to not objectify them. Don't want to follow the herd :3
If my muslim friends hold a party, I sit on the ground with the women and help them with dishes or whatever while the mustache simpletons sit on chairs and wonder why i do "lowly" stuff.
 
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Those are extreme examples.

I, myself, am a feminist. Meaning, I simply not follow the collective mentality set for standard behaviour towards women. I don't condone sexual talk towards women and always tell my friends to stfu. I absolutely despise prostitution and never join in degrading conversations about women. I tend to remind myself "that's someone's daughter/cousin/mum", as to not objectify them. Don't want to follow the herd :3
If my muslim friends hold a party, I sit on the ground with the women and help them with dishes or whatever while the mustache simpletons sit on chairs and wonder why i do "lowly" stuff.

While its true that many muslims think and act like that ,however it isn't from Islam itself .
 

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Those are extreme examples.

I, myself, am a feminist. Meaning, I simply not follow the collective mentality set for standard behaviour towards women. I don't condone sexual talk towards women and always tell my friends to stfu. I absolutely despise prostitution and never join in degrading conversations about women. I tend to remind myself "that's someone's daughter/cousin/mum", as to not objectify them. Don't want to follow the herd :3
If my muslim friends hold a party, I sit on the ground with the women and help them with dishes or whatever while the mustache simpletons sit on chairs and wonder why i do "lowly" stuff.

Offtopi: Teresa over Miria anyday :p

but i like her too
 

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While its true that many muslims think and act like that ,however it isn't from Islam itself .

It's not only a muslim thing. I just mentioned muslims because I have a quite a lot muslim friends and only use my own experience as an example. Generally, Culture = male dominance, so i'm not only pointing towards the islamic community.

@Veritas, have you any idea how strong Miria and the rest of her small group got later on in the manga? Phantom Miria solo'ed the organization.
 

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It's not only a muslim thing. I just mentioned muslims because I have a quite a lot muslim friends and only use my own experience as an example. Generally, Culture = male dominance, so i'm not only pointing towards the islamic community.

@Veritas, have you any idea how strong Miria and the rest of her small group got later on in the manga? Phantom Miria solo'ed the organization.

Yes yes I do, but Teresa holds a special place in my heart, and many others - I meant in terms of personality, although if Teresa had survived to this day she wouldve been far stronger than any of them
 

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To follow on from my previous post: The big problem with feminism isn't so much the concept, but the fact that too many off them become far too extreme about their ideology over time.
 

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It's not only a muslim thing. I just mentioned muslims because I have a quite a lot muslim friends and only use my own experience as an example. Generally, Culture = male dominance, so i'm not only pointing towards the islamic community.

@Veritas, have you any idea how strong Miria and the rest of her small group got later on in the manga? Phantom Miria solo'ed the organization.

I see , I am sorry i thought you meant it as a muslim thing .I agree with you .
 

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I realize that not all feminist are like this and I also realize that a vast Majority ARE like this.

Note: I don't hate women just feminists

Feminism is fine... At least it used to be, however, lately it's become more of a "master race" movement.

Take this woman for example:
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She lead a feminist movement about a year ago to a group meeting (forgive me for not knowing what group sorry) and pulled the fire alarm and you know why. The majority of the group were men.

She then proceeded to yell profanities at them while they decided to confront her about her actions.

Now I won't go by anything I can't prove such as the accusations of feminist rejoicing when Men's deaths are reported on the news. But I wouldn't put it past some of them.

Feminist often believe they should be treated as goddesses and then complain when they are. There I'm done ranting.

here's the thing. you only know about this woman because she's an extremist. that is she uses extreme measures for the sole porpuse of gaining attention and publicity.

feminists are nothing like this, the vast majority of them are peaceful and non violent (if a little angry). and won't do illegal things like pulling the fire alarm for no reason (and it is illegal). but you don't hear about them because they don't cause trouble and make it to news headlines and youtube videos.
 

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LOl Nah. It seems this thread is posted every time someone gets bored or sometimes when someone is angry at their gf. I don't see people really trying to understand the movement or reasons.

In the mean while crimes against women are on all time high, female kids keep getting forced to marry old men, taken out of school, be the first to suffer in every kind of economic crisis on an average, are told they must have to bare child even if they die because their own life matters not, wait... female foeticide is acceptable.



— Richard H. Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism, (Allyn and Bacon, 1999), p. 354

Now that's ^ one of the issues which needs to be addressed. Ever seen anyone discussing that seriously?
It's not like few people are trying to understand the movement or reasons, they just post these type of threads to get 'hot threads' and there is lack of willingness.:p
About the arguments that you put forth, yes I kinda give you for that and hence there is a necessity to look at feminism from objective point of view. You can't simply erase feminism, as we aren't at that stage where women are treated equally as men, not at least throughout the world. Still many innocent poor women have to suffer due to men dominance, commonly those from villages and other rural areas. 'Equality' can't be achieved purely in any society, because unless and until people who want to treat others equally exist, people who want to use other as slaves also exist, and hence you can't erase something like 'feminism' completely from the Earth especially when it is associated with half of the population. On the other hand just like someone mentioned every movement has it's own set of people who like to use movement for their own cause, and don't like to think from long term perspective, they can be punished according to laws.
Feminism is going to be there, you can either hate it, love it but you can't ignore it.^_^
 

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You seem to hate radical feminists, op. Not normal ones.
 

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You're very ignorant towards feminists if you believe a majority of them are like this.

I concur.

Feminism at it's core should be women seeking equal rights and for the majority, that is the cause fought for. But, there are some feminists who believe that women are totally superior over men, which is rather unfair and extremist to say the least. The problem is, Radical Feminism, like other types, is seldom separated from normal feminism by society. In turn, views on feminism are often extremely multifarious, as people are thinking of it on different planes.
 

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I concur.

Feminism at it's core should be women seeking equal rights and for the majority, that is the cause fought for. But, there are some feminists who believe that women are totally superior over men, which is rather unfair and extremist to say the least. The problem is, Radical Feminism, like other types, is seldom separated from normal feminism by society. In turn, views on feminism are often extremely multifarious, as people are thinking of it on different planes.

That's an excellent point.
 

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It's not like few people are trying to understand the movement or reasons, they just post these type of threads to get 'hot threads' and there is lack of willingness.:p
About the arguments that you put forth, yes I kinda give you for that and hence there is a necessity to look at feminism from objective point of view. You can't simply erase feminism, as we aren't at that stage where women are treated equally as men, not at least throughout the world. Still many innocent poor women have to suffer due to men dominance, commonly those from villages and other rural areas. 'Equality' can't be achieved purely in any society, because unless and until people who want to treat others equally exist, people who want to use other as slaves also exist, and hence you can't erase something like 'feminism' completely from the Earth especially when it is associated with half of the population. On the other hand just like someone mentioned every movement has it's own set of people who like to use movement for their own cause, and don't like to think from long term perspective, they can be punished according to laws.
Feminism is going to be there, you can either hate it, love it but you can't ignore it.^_^

Yea lack of willingness- that's what I was referring to when I said they post only if they are bore or angry at a gf etc.

I don't have to go far to see the condition of women - just around me. Like the maid who works for my mum was absent for three days - because her good for nothing husband was drunk by the time it was lunch time and even neglected to care for their little daughter whom she had left with him to baby sit. And when she protested he beat her up so badly that she needed medical attention. She has no education or parental support either and while I could tell her to go to police but I didn't because I know she doesn't have enough means to put up a proper fight. No I am not in condition to extend that kind of support myself. All I could do was to try to stand up her for herself and offered her pain killers in the mean time.

That when I asked her on last Diwali whether she would like me to buy her a dress ( as a Diwali gift) or would she prefer cash so that she could buy something she likes for herself. She asked me to buy and said if she took money home it would be just taken away from her by her husband and she won't get anything. She carries a cell phone but she cannot even read numbers on it. She is not an isolated case either and if I try to help I may as well start an NGO.

When I go to school to pick my son up I notice, 3/4 of the kids are boys only. I was talking to a teacher and she said that it was a common trend - there are far less girls than there should be according to male female ratio even at primary level.

Female foeticide is such a big problem in certain pockets here that it's sickening. A pregnant friend was told she was carrying a female fetus and was hinted that they could get it aborted - the couple chose not to and changed the doc. And you know what, it was not even a girl. The infant turned out to be a male. That scumbag doc was just making a quick money because of people wanting a male child only.

Women end up on abortion table whether want it or not if the husband don't want to kid and while some others may have to go though labor for unwanted kids because they are not given a choice at all. It's a terrible place they are in where they simply cannot make a decision based on their personal reasons and medical conditions.

The list may go on and on ... It's bit sad that people do not realize how horribly this trend is going to affect us in future. Even now there are some villages in Western India where the guys either stay unmarried or have to go looking for a bride to another state even simply because there are no girls of marriageable age in their own region due to mass female foeticide.

It's more sad when people make ignorant comments about a glaring problem.

Note: no don't give me excuse about developed and undeveloped nations. Nature of problem varies but not everything is rosy even in Western countries who claim to treat women much better.
 
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I think you should have used the term Femme-Nazi .... Cos I consider myself a feminist and I am a male.

While many points are raised my the member are true and some are debatable ... I would like to express my view that the majority of the feminist movements are misguided and often enough downright stupid: There are women who are fighting for the Right to be Topless in Public while in some of the Arab countries and my very own women are abused, mutilated and treated as objects.
 

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I don't hate feminists nor do i like them either way women must be given the rights and opportunities they deserves .
 

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Long post is coming so, beware yourself.XD
It is rather ironic that I was watching Rahul Gandhi and congress campaign on women empowerment before a while. u.u
Yea lack of willingness- that's what I was referring to when I said they post only if they are bore or angry at a gf etc.
Lack of willingness pretty much depends upon poster, so let's keep it aside for a while.
I don't have to go far to see the condition of women - just around me. Like the maid who works for my mum was absent for three days - because her good for nothing husband was drunk by the time it was lunch time and even neglected to care for their little daughter whom she had left with him to baby sit. And when she protested he beat her up so badly that she needed medical attention. she has no education or parental support either and while I could tell her to go to police but I didn't because I know she doesn't have enough means to put up a proper fight. No I am not in condition to extend that kind of support myself. All I could do was to try to stand up her for herself and offered her pain killers in the mean time.
It is 'Kahani ghar ghar ki, Ira. Single women have to suffer from even greater problems, my maid is a prime example of that. She has four daughters, her husband died before four years and moreover she leaves in Asia's biggest slum, Dharavi. Before few days her daughter suffered through a prolonged illness and she had to spend most of her money on her treatment, but luckily she works in sophisticated area like mine, and hence people helped her by gathering the donations and all.
She was literally crying when chairperson of my society offered her that money, I don't know why but I really felt bad for her that day, and when I look at people debating online, seating in front of lappy/PC, having nice 3G internet connection and talking about Feminism without knowing what is ground reality, I feel sad.
That when I asked her on last Diwali whether she would like me to buy her a dress ( as a Diwali gift) or would she prefer cash so that she could buy something she likes for herself. She asked me to buy and said if she took money home it would be just taken away from her by her husband and she won't get anything. She carries a cell phone but she cannot even read numbers on it. She is not an isolated case either and if I try to help I may as well start an NGO.
Actually that's the main reason which made me said that we need feminism, and that is dominance. It has always been bombarded into us that male is the dominant person of our society and which resulted into this type of mindset.
This is actually the main reason due to which feminism came into existence, it was to bring equality, but it is long term process and it will take time, because we have to change the mindset, and it can't be done overnight.
When I go to school to pick my son up I notice, 3/4 of the kids are boys only. I was talking to a teacher and she said that it was a common trend - there are far less girls than there should be according to male female ratio even at primary level.
I don't know in which state of India you leave, because this is the situation commonly found in rural areas, but I have to agree. I think the main reason behind this the mindset of ' women should just get married and have children', although things have changed pretty much. I couldn't stop myself from bringing in example of my grandma.
She studied till fourth standard, but had great knowledge in almost everything even though she didn't know how to read/write English. She still had a great memory,was a great cricket fan, loved Sanskrit and had knowledge of politics. It was always a delight to watch cricket match with her, or discuss with her. She always used to tell me that, the only thing she lacks in life, is education.
Female foeticide is such a big problem in certain pockets here that it's sickening. A pregnant friend was told she was carrying a female foetus and was hinted that they could get it aborted - the couple chose not to and changed the doc. And you know what, it was not even a girl. The infant turned out to be a male. That scumbag doc was just making a quick money because of people wanting a male child only.
Women end up on abortion table whether want it or not if the husband don't want to kid and while some others may have to go though labor for unwanted kids because they are not given a choice at all. It's a terrible place they are in where they simply cannot make a decision based on their personal reasons and medical conditions.
This reminded me of from my state. It is such a cruel way of killing female fetus that it makes me think that whether this couple is human or not.
The list may go on and on ... It's bit sad that people do not realize how horribly this trend is going to affect us in future. Even now there are some villages in Western India where the guys are either stay unmarried or have to go looking for a bride to another state even simply because there are no girls of marriageable age in their own region due to mass female foeticide.
Actually the male community is so much blinded by the habit of domination that they don't even want to look ahead. Feminism is after effect that, when I look at this examples, and think that do we need feminism answer comes yes.
It's more sad when people make ignorant comments about a glaring problem.

Note: no don't give me excuse about developed and undeveloped nations. Nature of problem varies but not everything is rosy even in Western countries who claim to treat women much better.
For those who think that all my examples are related to India, is my answer to this.
I really wanted you to address the other side of feminism too, Ira.
What OP saying isn't entirely wrong. There is other side of feminism too, but we can't simply eradicate feminism due to fault of few people who are part of this movement. We haven't reached that stage yet, there is a still a long way to go for equality, and hence I had to say Feminism is needed.:yeah:
 

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I think you should have used the term Femme-Nazi .... Cos I consider myself a feminist and I am a male.

While many points are raised my the member are true and some are debatable ... I would like to express my view that the majority of the feminist movements are misguided and often enough downright stupid: There are women who are fighting for the Right to be Topless in Public while in some of the Arab countries and my very own women are abused, mutilated and treated as objects.

Those who are fighting for the right to go topless- are mostly trolls, mostly looking for attention. For being topless is highly uncomfortable if you have anything up there and is subjected to gravity and leads to sagging early on. Not practical, just stupid. -_^
 

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Those who are fighting for the right to go topless- are mostly trolls, mostly looking for attention. For being topless is highly uncomfortable if you have anything up there and is subjected to gravity and leads to sagging early on. Not practical, just stupid. -_^
Who the hell are you to tell me I was trolling

Some people are comfortable in walking in their skin while others aren't

Going topless is a personal choice no one is demanding you have to go topeless. If a man can go to topless why can't a woman tell me. Breasts are sexualized by society which are run by men breasts are breasts men have breasts but they can show it publicly. So give me a good reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Not your brainwashed answer
 
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Who the hell are you to tell me I was trolling

Some people are comfortable in walking in their skin while others aren't

Going topless is a personal choice no one is demsnding you have to go topeless. If a man can go to topless why can't a woman tell me. Breasts are sexualized by society which are run by men breasts are breasts men have breasts but they can show it publicly. So give me a good reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Not your brainwashed answer


Most Women with real breasts Don't feel comfortable topless .
 

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Who the hell are you to tell me I was trolling

Some people are comfortable in walking in their skin while others aren't

Going topless is a personal choice no one is demanding you have to go topeless. If a man can go to topless why can't a woman tell me. Breasts are sexualized by society which are run by men breasts are breasts men have breasts but they can show it publicly. So give me a good reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Not your brainwashed answer

Its looked down upon by most women too, so the whole "hurr durr men rool teh world xD so womyn haz no rightz" dipshit is off.

Also, who the **** stops women from going topless?
 
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