You very clearly do not understand the difference between
durability and
regenerative capabilities.
3rd Raikage, Kimimaro (although he also has regeneration in
addition to durability), Kakuzu's Doton Domu -
that is durability. They are impervious to most forms of damage. You try to cut them with a sword, they will not be damaged. You try to punch them, they will not be damaged. You try to squeeze them with Gaara's sand burial, they simply stroll out of it undamaged. They have "tougher skin," so to speak. Tsunade does not have tougher skin. You cut her with a sword, she gets cut and bleeds. You punch her, she will get bruised. You squeeze her with Gaara's sand, she will pop.
What Tsunade has is regenerative capabilities. You stab her with a sword, she will bleed . . . and then close the wound before she loses more blood. You punch her in the face, she will get bruised . . . and then heal the damaged tissue. She is not immune to damage - she simply heals it before it can become detrimental to her.
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. He did not immediately die. You know why he ended up dying, though? Because he didn't have regeneration. If he had Byakugo, he would not have died in that scenario. Same idea with Tsunade; she would get pierced by those swords just as Zabuza did. The swords aren't going to bounce off her shoulder / neck / torso. They will impale her, and if she takes them out on time, she can heal the damage. She isn't immune to the damage, though - she simply heals it off.
To answer your question, Ramen Guy will suffer similar damage to Tsunade; he will be covered in lacerations from head to toe. However, it is quite likely he will die from blood loss, or at the very least require immediate hospitalization to survive. Tsunade only faired better thanks to regeneration, not because she is durable.
wow ok i admit i was wrong, but still
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sm jirayia died from this
And you are wrong once again. Jiraiya was not in Sage Mode.
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. Shima had disconnected from his shoulder, and he needed her to maintain the mode.
Furthermore, Jiraiya has an imperfect Sage Mode - his face literally turns into a frog. Hashirama has a perfect Sage Mode, as did Naruto. You cannot pass over perfect Sage feats to the likes of Jiraiya.
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tsunade is running around with these
Again, having swords in your stomach does not spell immediate death. Zabuza had half a dozen swords thrust in his torso, and he did not immediately die. You can survive having swords thrust through you for several minutes. Neji had a bunch of branches skewer his torso, and did not immediately die either.
If Neji and Zabuza had Byakugo, they would have survived too. Look at my previous post above; Byakugo is regeneration, not durability.
sm can't give that much durability
I'm not saying Sage Mode durability alone is the deciding factor. I'm saying that Sage Mode durability in
addition to being the host of the freakin' ten tailed beast is the deciding factor.
50% Kyuubi tanked Futon Rasenshuriken, god knows how many Odama Rasengans, and was still ready to fight Naruto. Hachibi tanked his own Bijuudama. Throw in another seven tailed beasts, and you're telling me you think Madara's durability is anywhere near Tsunade's?
Hell, Tsunade
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. The mere fact that the 50% Kyuubi took one of those like a champ, and Madara has that same 50% Kyuubi inside of him, alongside another 8 beasts, should tell you his durability is on another level.
my point is naruto was that tough in tailbed beast form, madara is in his normal form
Madara is in his Juubi Jinchuuriki form. His hair changing to white, and him having a chakra robe and growing a horn is not "normal form."
-_- what was i reading so far...
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he was still bleeding, hashi's auto healing appears to be slower than byakugo and since madara is still alive this turns into an argument in tsunade's favor
On the
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, those wounds are gone (top right panel).
when i say durability i generally refer to how much damage someone can receive
Then you clearly don't know what durability is. Durability =/= regeneration.
For current Madara to be forced to resort to regeneration, the attack would have to first bypass his immense durability, which is nigh impossible. The fact that Gai is having him cough up blood goes to show just how powerful the punches are.
gai's attacks don't hit the insides, kabuto did not have byakugo
Pretty sure they cause immense internal trauma if they cause the target to cough blood.
it was clearly the same thing, he was in 5 gates in both cases,nothing suggests that the water sharks evaporated, the fodder's body was in one piece and not evaporated so it is really ridiculous to think tsunade would evaporate
There were thousands of feeding sharks on one page, and then the next page they are suddenly no longer there (barring a few that managed to escape). If you're going to deny clear cut feats, like Gai vaporizing the shark wave, then there is no point of this debate.
ABC logic is allways wrong, but A1-A2-A3 logic is not wrong, if you compare an exact atribute it's fine, but if you compare different things it's not fine
No, it's not.
Transitive logic has always been a problem in Naruto because of matchups and elemental attacks. It is not fair to say that anyone Deidara can beat Hebi Sasuke can beat by default. Why? Because they are characters of similar level, and Deidara only lost due to a match up disadvantage.
When we are talking about something like the Naruto-verse's equivalent of a God versus
anything else, ABC logic is fine. The sheer gap is far too immense to be overshadowed or affected by matchups.
And as I already told you, I'm comparing Edo Madara to Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara. It is the same exact character, and the gap is enormous.
he had all the chances in the world and was reacting to gai
He reacted to one blow, only to be blitzed from behind by the second.
he had many oportunities to stop gai's movement like he did to sasuke
Provide evidence that something moving as quickly and as powerfully as 8th gated Gai can be stopped by what he used on Sasuke.
he could have use ST to block his elephoot
He used something even better to block the Evening Elephant; the black element.
rinbo was an option, giant poisoned forest, wood clones i don't know something
Provide evidence that Madara can hit a target moving as fast as 8th gated Gai with Limbo. Provide evidence that the forest will be effective against someone moving as fast as Gai.
"I don't know, something" just shows how desperate you are, reaching for some sort of contrived excuse that Madara was playing around.
he was just using his black orbs defence and was still winning if not for gai's little friends
Gai's team-mates only helped Gai land
one punch. Gai has already proven he can dodge the black orbs using lower gates back several chapters ago, where he not only dodged them but got Kakashi out of harm's way as well.
madara is not attacking, don't you think his dancing moves against the kages were much more...existent ?
It is kind of hard to attack when you are being pinballed in all directions like a rag doll. The Kage's never pressured anywhere near that level, thus why he was able to respond accordingly with flashy techniques.
he was obviosuly not going to dodge them and we don't know what 6 of them would have done
He saved Kakashi from a chakra orb using 4 gates when he first arrived. He definitely has the speed to avoid them. His team mate's presence just made it more convenient / easier for him to land his blows.
how can you say that when tsunade tanked everything so far in byakugo ?
She has never tanked anything. All the attacks damaged her. What she did is regenerate from them before blood loss became an issue.
She has never been hit with an attack that is instantly lethal. An attack that instantly kills her would prevent her from regenerating, which she has to be alive to accomplish. Swords to the stomach are
eventually lethal if medical attention is not sought out. However, they are not
immediately lethal, otherwise Zabuza and Neji would not have been able to stay alive for several minutes after having their organs skewered.
