[Spoilers] Rukia vs Toshiro?

[Forbidden Tale]

Naw that ichigo was not that much stronger than Byakuya at that time knowing Byakuya Has gokei he would have killed ichigo the first time around if he had that move back then...Byakuya battles show how he's smarter than hitsugiya he just makes good choices in battle like how he figured to use kido to disrupt renji bankai an his battle with tsukishima an how he cut up the ground Quincy S was standing on an how if he moved the ground would fall in...

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in that link he tells renji he's not intelligent enough to lure out asnodt full power where as Byakuya himself is that's proof that he's a smart fighter..lol when did I ever say hitsugiya was not captian level?

Yea I'm talking ss arc tosen an if gin does the smart thing an keep rushing hitsugiya then no hitsugiya can't use that move cuz he won't have time to activate it..hitsugiya is a genius what genius thing has he done really? An no hitsugiya can't use kido on Byakuya level ima need proof if he can he has never been shown to use kido I believe..show facts about what?

Basic resurrection? What you mean it's still zsayle strongest form he has to draw his sword inorder to use resurrection...I mean yea Byakuya was damaged did you see zommari ability, it is haxxed hitsugiya would not even beat this guy an yea hitsugiya was barely hit cuz his ability perfectly counter halibel an physicaly she seemed weak..power level wise Byakuya is stronger than hitsugiya ginjo did say Byakuya spiritual pressure was on zaraki level or stronger...ok I thought that fight was filler but still even hitsugiya dropped after the fact an was more hurt than renji an it look like renji just over powered the guy.

You same they were the same level something like that.

Lol wait is that your captain ranking right now list if so you got things all wrong or is that ur ss arc captian list if so it's still wrong tosen belongs in the mid level did you not see his bankai? an toshiro on the low level his powers were immature back then an komomaru belongs to a mid low level one hit from his bankai an any captian would be hurt just not Yama an mabey kenpachi.

Wait when did hitsugiya say he went threw bankai training 20 years ago?..yea I know hitsugiya bankai can get way stronger than what it is now.

What you mean basic bankai? Bankai is bankai...yea Byakuya did not need to use bankai in that fight he could of just chopped renji head off with his regular sword I'm just saying with out the kido Byakuya would have not won just by useing shikai...an no Byakuya did not know about his bankai training.

What makes you think renji wanted to be a captain? he just wanted to be stronger than Byakuya that's all.

1. FKT Mask Ichigo was a lot stronger than every pre timeskip of both Byakuya and Toshiro, actually Ichigo who fought Ulquiorra was stronger than any form of pre timeskip Byakuya and Toshiro.
2. Still don't prove that he's smarter than Hitsugaya. Only real fight in which Hitsugaya could prove is against Tier. He is youngest captain in SS and genius, Kyoraku and Aizen both praised him.
3. It prove that Byakuya is smarter than Renji.
4. We have so many posts and i don't have time to found that, but if you dind't say that, nevermind than.

5. You said fight in FKT showed who is stronger, in that time Tousen had Hollow powers, but in the SS he didn't.
6. Defeated Shawlong in seconds, defeated Luppi with 1/5 of power, defeated Tercera.
7. I didn't said that he can use kido on Byakuya level, that point was for Tousen vs Toshiro.
Toshiro's stats for Kido in databook is same as Tosen's - 90/100.

8. When i said he didn't draw his sword, i though about their first round when Renji's bankai was restricted.
9. I said they with full power couldn't defeated Szayel first ressurection ability (he undone himself both of them couldn't do a shit agains it) and Toshiro was able to defeat Tercera, five rangs above Szayel, that prove difference in power between Renji and Toshiro.

10. The moment Hitsugaya got his power back, he finished Shawlong with weakest bankai ability.
Renji used strongest and even said that he maybe wouldn't beat Yylgordt if he didn't surprised him.

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Some translation said that he would lose.

11. It's SS arc. I consider Zaraki being mid tier, and he beat Tosen without removing eyepatch, Tosen can't be same level as Zaraki. If attack hit him, pre time skip Komamura as long as i remember never hit any captain level shinigami.

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13. When i say Byakuya defeat him with basic bankai, i mean Byakuya didn't use full power of bankai (senkei, gokei)

14. They was short for 3 captains and situation was urgent, if he was captain level, for sure i think that Yamamoto would make him be captain, nevermind that, they still need to be tested by three captains.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Naw that ichigo was not that much stronger than Byakuya at that time knowing Byakuya Has gokei he would have killed ichigo the first time around if he had that move back then...Byakuya battles show how he's smarter than hitsugiya he just makes good choices in battle like how he figured to use kido to disrupt renji bankai an his battle with tsukishima an how he cut up the ground Quincy S was standing on an how if he moved the ground would fall in...

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in that link he tells renji he's not intelligent enough to lure out asnodt full power where as Byakuya himself is that's proof that he's a smart fighter..lol when did I ever say hitsugiya was not captian level?

Yea I'm talking ss arc tosen an if gin does the smart thing an keep rushing hitsugiya then no hitsugiya can't use that move cuz he won't have time to activate it..hitsugiya is a genius what genius thing has he done really? An no hitsugiya can't use kido on Byakuya level ima need proof if he can he has never been shown to use kido I believe..show facts about what?

Basic resurrection? What you mean it's still zsayle strongest form he has to draw his sword inorder to use resurrection...I mean yea Byakuya was damaged did you see zommari ability, it is haxxed hitsugiya would not even beat this guy an yea hitsugiya was barely hit cuz his ability perfectly counter halibel an physicaly she seemed weak..power level wise Byakuya is stronger than hitsugiya ginjo did say Byakuya spiritual pressure was on zaraki level or stronger...ok I thought that fight was filler but still even hitsugiya dropped after the fact an was more hurt than renji an it look like renji just over powered the guy.

You same they were the same level something like that.

Lol wait is that your captain ranking right now list if so you got things all wrong or is that ur ss arc captian list if so it's still wrong tosen belongs in the mid level did you not see his bankai? an toshiro on the low level his powers were immature back then an komomaru belongs to a mid low level one hit from his bankai an any captian would be hurt just not Yama an mabey kenpachi.

Wait when did hitsugiya say he went threw bankai training 20 years ago?..yea I know hitsugiya bankai can get way stronger than what it is now.

What you mean basic bankai? Bankai is bankai...yea Byakuya did not need to use bankai in that fight he could of just chopped renji head off with his regular sword I'm just saying with out the kido Byakuya would have not won just by useing shikai...an no Byakuya did not know about his bankai training.

What makes you think renji wanted to be a captain? he just wanted to be stronger than Byakuya that's all.

1. FKT Mask Ichigo was a lot stronger than every pre timeskip form of both Byakuya and Toshiro, actually Ichigo who fought Ulquiorra was stronger than any form of pre timeskip Byakuya and Toshiro.
2. Still don't prove that he's smarter than Hitsugaya. Only real fight in which Hitsugaya could prove is against Tier. He is youngest captain in SS and genius, Kyoraku and Aizen both praised him.
3. It prove that Byakuya is smarter than Renji.
4. We have so many posts and i don't have time to found that, but if you dind't say that, nevermind than.

5. You said fight in FKT showed who is stronger, in that time Tousen had Hollow powers, but in the SS he didn't.
6. Defeated Shawlong in seconds, defeated Luppi with 1/5 of power, defeated Tercera.
7. I didn't said that he can use kido on Byakuya level, that point was for Tousen vs Toshiro.
Toshiro's stats for Kido in databook is same as Tosen's - 90/100.

8. When i said he didn't draw his sword, i though about their first round when Renji's bankai was restricted.
9. I said they with full power couldn't defeated Szayel first ressurection ability (he undone himself both of them couldn't do a shit agains it) and Toshiro was able to defeat Tercera, five rangs above Szayel, that prove difference in power between Renji and Toshiro.

10. The moment Hitsugaya got his power back, he finished Shawlong with weakest bankai ability.
Renji used strongest and even said that he maybe wouldn't beat Yylgordt if he didn't surprised him.

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Some translation said that he would lose.

11. It's SS arc. I consider Zaraki being mid tier, and he beat Tosen without removing eyepatch, Tosen can't be same level as Zaraki. If attack hit him, pre time skip Komamura as long as i remember never hit any captain level shinigami.

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13. When i say Byakuya defeat him with basic bankai, i mean Byakuya didn't use full power of bankai (senkei, gokei)

14. They was short for 3 captains and situation was urgent, if he was captain level, for sure i think that Yamamoto would make him be captain, nevermind that, they still need to be tested by three captains.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. FKT Mask Ichigo was a lot stronger than every pre timeskip of both Byakuya and Toshiro, actually Ichigo who fought Ulquiorra was stronger than any form of pre timeskip Byakuya and Toshiro.
2. Still don't prove that he's smarter than Hitsugaya. Only real fight in which Hitsugaya could prove is against Tier. He is youngest captain in SS and genius, Kyoraku and Aizen both praised him.
3. It prove that Byakuya is smarter than Renji.
4. We have so many posts and i don't have time to found that, but if you dind't say that, nevermind than.

5. You said fight in FKT showed who is stronger, in that time Tousen had Hollow powers, but in the SS he didn't.
6. Defeated Shawlong in seconds, defeated Luppi with 1/5 of power, defeated Tercera.
7. I didn't said that he can use kido on Byakuya level, that point was for Tousen vs Toshiro.
Toshiro's stats for Kido in databook is same as Tosen's - 90/100.

8. When i said he didn't draw his sword, i though about their first round when Renji's bankai was restricted.
9. I said they with full power couldn't defeated Szayel first ressurection ability (he undone himself both of them couldn't do a shit agains it) and Toshiro was able to defeat Tercera, five rangs above Szayel, that prove difference in power between Renji and Toshiro.

10. The moment Hitsugaya got his power back, he finished Shawlong with weakest bankai ability.
Renji used strongest and even said that he maybe wouldn't beat Yylgordt if he didn't surprised him.

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Some translation said that he would lose.

11. It's SS arc. I consider Zaraki being mid tier, and he beat Tosen without removing eyepatch, Tosen can't be same level as Zaraki. If attack hit him, pre time skip Komamura as long as i remember never hit any captain level shinigami.

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13. When i say Byakuya defeat him with basic bankai, i mean Byakuya didn't use full power of bankai (senkei, gokei)

14. They was short for 3 captains and situation was urgent, if he was captain level, for sure i think that Yamamoto would make him be captain, nevermind that, they still need to be tested by three captains.

I would not say a lot stronger he caould still be cut by senbonzakura an I don't see his counter to gokei senbonzakura....I believe they called him a genius cuz he was able to gain such connection with his sword an become captain at a young age nothing to do with brain smarts during battle.

Naw it shows that Byakuya actually come up with plans while fighting not just all out attacking all the time..like you see from hitsugiya he lets his anger get the best if him to much.

I was saying that ss arc tosen could have killed zaraki in his bankai if he really wanted to.....shawlong was a joke ,he had help fighting luppi don't leave out the people helping him,halibel water matched his ice he got lucky to be fighting her.

Hitsugiya kido 90/109 lol how he never used any I believe?...an he can't beat tosen the moment tosen does bankai hitsugiya life is over..

Like I said he already analysed all their powers an stuff so he won't bout to be hurt by it at all...where hitsugiya fought an opponent who's stronger attacks where used to his advantage every time she used a water attack she was helping him out there was never a point in time where zsayle helped out renji or uryu.

Lol what do you mean weakest bankai tec? He works with ice the ice used on shawlong is no different than the ice dragons or the snowfall thing so how is that his weakest attack more like his strongest attack cuz he's piercing his opponent with his sword aswell same attack he tried on aizen when he really tried to kill aizen the first time so the attack is not his weakest I believe..renji opponent seemed physically more stronger an he was the brother of zsayel...didn't hitsugiya vice captian beat her opponent very easy aswell so is she stronger than renji to? How strong was her opponent?

Again tosen could have beat zaraki back then but was delivering weak attacks from the start instead of going for killing blows..yea komomaru fought tosen an aizen two very strong people stronger than most at that time but he really displayed his strenght fighting barrgan strongest underling who was physically very strong..he was able to hit hollowfied tosen aswell but sense tosen could regenerate his hit was pointless.

So I see by bankai training did he mean actually training with bankai or training to get bankai?..ill take your word for it an say he already had it I guess...like I said thoe hitsugiya is a little bit stronger than renji only thing that puts him over renji to me is that snow fall tec.

I'm pretty sure Yama never knew bout his bankai an if they don't go take the test than yea they not becoming captain anyway.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I would not say a lot stronger he caould still be cut by senbonzakura an I don't see his counter to gokei senbonzakura....I believe they called him a genius cuz he was able to gain such connection with his sword an become captain at a young age nothing to do with brain smarts during battle.

Naw it shows that Byakuya actually come up with plans while fighting not just all out attacking all the time..like you see from hitsugiya he lets his anger get the best if him to much.

I was saying that ss arc tosen could have killed zaraki in his bankai if he really wanted to.....shawlong was a joke ,he had help fighting luppi don't leave out the people helping him,halibel water matched his ice he got lucky to be fighting her.

Hitsugiya kido 90/109 lol how he never used any I believe?...an he can't beat tosen the moment tosen does bankai hitsugiya life is over..

Like I said he already analysed all their powers an stuff so he won't bout to be hurt by it at all...where hitsugiya fought an opponent who's stronger attacks where used to his advantage every time she used a water attack she was helping him out there was never a point in time where zsayle helped out renji or uryu.

Lol what do you mean weakest bankai tec? He works with ice the ice used on shawlong is no different than the ice dragons or the snowfall thing so how is that his weakest attack more like his strongest attack cuz he's piercing his opponent with his sword aswell same attack he tried on aizen when he really tried to kill aizen the first time so the attack is not his weakest I believe..renji opponent seemed physically more stronger an he was the brother of zsayel...didn't hitsugiya vice captian beat her opponent very easy aswell so is she stronger than renji to? How strong was her opponent?

Again tosen could have beat zaraki back then but was delivering weak attacks from the start instead of going for killing blows..yea komomaru fought tosen an aizen two very strong people stronger than most at that time but he really displayed his strenght fighting barrgan strongest underling who was physically very strong..he was able to hit hollowfied tosen aswell but sense tosen could regenerate his hit was pointless.

So I see by bankai training did he mean actually training with bankai or training to get bankai?..ill take your word for it an say he already had it I guess...like I said thoe hitsugiya is a little bit stronger than renji only thing that puts him over renji to me is that snow fall tec.

I'm pretty sure Yama never knew bout his bankai an if they don't go take the test than yea they not becoming captain anyway.

1. We're not talking about versus match, we're talking about power level.
Shinigamis fight are fights of reiatsu. Gin was able to react to Hyogaku Aizen, toyed with Mask Ichigo, i'm pretty sure that Byakuya wouldn' be problem at all.
2. You can't be genius and stupid at same time. -.-
3. He lets his anger only in fight against Aizen, when Hinamori was hurt.

4. You say so, because he cut his shoulder, not neck
-It would just suggest that he use his full power before Kenpachi, it wouldn't make him stronger.
-Tousen was very surprised that Zaraki was able to react to his moves and that was with eyepatch, just that show difference.

5. Yes, but that doesn't prove that he is bad at that, stats speaking for itself. And than Tousen found that he fought with Hitsugaya's ice clone, Tosen must unrelease his bankai, Toshiro strike him and the fight is over.
6. Again fight was 2 vs 1, even 4 vs 1 and again they didn't push him even little, throught he is octava, Toshiro would do much better in that fight, even in 1 vs 1 and with Szayel knowledge, feats/abilities speaks for itself.

7. The moment he got his full power, he defeated Shawlong with Ryūsenka, one of weakest bankai techniques, it's nowhere near techiques like he used to defeat Luppi, Tier or Cang Du.
8. So because he is Szayel's brother he is strong? He is older and still weaker, it show that he is weak, Szayel even called him failure, and Shawlong seems like a leader to that group. Matsumoto's opponent didn't use Ressurection, she beat him unreleased, i already gave you Renji's statament, even if Yylfordt is on same level or little stronger than Shawlong (which he is not) he still isn't stronger than Hitsugaya who defeated opponent without his ice sealing techniques (full-power).

9. It not prove that he is stronger than Hitsugaya, or that Hitsugaya can't do better in these situations.

10. Isshin comment that he is very good "office guy" he would be able to be captain, and than he said that his bankai training going well, he mean training for bankai.

 

[illidanson]

Toshiro takes this, Rukia's Bankai can kill her, while Toshiro's wont.

But I say high deff.

Great argument.... NOT!

So because it CAN kill her if she uses it wrong then she can't beat him??? She survived using it against Äs Nödt and freaking owned the guy in an instant. I don't see what stops her from doing the same thing to Toshiro. BTW I'm a huge fan of both Rukia and Toshiro, but at this point I don't get why people still think Toshiro is on the same level as her.

With Shikai alone she could put up a decent fight against his Bankai. In a Bankai vs. Bankai she simply takes it low diff.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. We're not talking about versus match, we're talking about power level.
Shinigamis fight are fights of reiatsu. Gin was able to react to Hyogaku Aizen, toyed with Mask Ichigo, i'm pretty sure that Byakuya wouldn' be problem at all.
2. You can't be genius and stupid at same time. -.-
3. He lets his anger only in fight against Aizen, when Hinamori was hurt.

4. You say so, because he cut his shoulder, not neck
-It would just suggest that he use his full power before Kenpachi, it wouldn't make him stronger.
-Tousen was very surprised that Zaraki was able to react to his moves and that was with eyepatch, just that show difference.

5. Yes, but that doesn't prove that he is bad at that, stats speaking for itself. And than Tousen found that he fought with Hitsugaya's ice clone, Tosen must unrelease his bankai, Toshiro strike him and the fight is over.
6. Again fight was 2 vs 1, even 4 vs 1 and again they didn't push him even little, throught he is octava, Toshiro would do much better in that fight, even in 1 vs 1 and with Szayel knowledge, feats/abilities speaks for itself.

7. The moment he got his full power, he defeated Shawlong with Ryūsenka, one of weakest bankai techniques, it's nowhere near techiques like he used to defeat Luppi, Tier or Cang Du.
8. So because he is Szayel's brother he is strong? He is older and still weaker, it show that he is weak, Szayel even called him failure, and Shawlong seems like a leader to that group. Matsumoto's opponent didn't use Ressurection, she beat him unreleased, i already gave you Renji's statament, even if Yylfordt is on same level or little stronger than Shawlong (which he is not) he still isn't stronger than Hitsugaya who defeated opponent without his ice sealing techniques (full-power).

9. It not prove that he is stronger than Hitsugaya, or that Hitsugaya can't do better in these situations.

10. Isshin comment that he is very good "office guy" he would be able to be captain, and than he said that his bankai training going well, he mean training for bankai.

Gin reacted to hogyoku aizen when?..it's just not a battle of reiatsu it's a battle of smarts aswell an I doubt gin had more reiatsu than ichigo he just had a better zanpacto.

Never said he was stupid he's just not as good a thinker as Byakuya is.

He also let out anger on gin..an he let out anger even before she was hurt during their second battle.

Don't matter without his eye patch tosen bankai would still work..having his eye patch off don't increases his reacting speed just his physical strength...

We need proof he's actually good at I first before he has a 90/100...lol what toshiro can never beat a captain level opponent that fast after seeing its a clone he would not just use bankai an toshiro would not just strike an end the fight are u serious?..lol let zsayel analyze hitsugiya power I bet hitsugiya not winning.

Once again that attack is not weak it's one if his strongest I'm pretty sure he would have not used it on aizen right after he stabbed momo if it was one of his weakest attacks he's piercing ur body then letting out a lot of ice the attack he used on luppi won't even a killing attack it just traps you in ice..what that mean he seemed like a leader was he one? Barrgan seemed like the leader of the espada once aizen got trapped in Yama flames does that make him the strongest espada?..I read the statement renji made but I also seen him over power yylfordt an then obliterate..yylfordt went off physical strenght like renji does so I see why renji would have a tough time.

Yea I see what your saying..

Yea but exactly when did he finish his training to get bankai then? That's what I need to know.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. When Aizen tried to catch him.

2. Aizen said that battles of shinigamis are battles of reiatsu, i don't see whats there unclear. He with his own reiatsu was able to escape Suzumebachi death in two hits, it's enough proof.

3. Technically it these situation was also Hinamori in danger.

4. Than i will just disagree with that.

5. That's because captain already had upper hand, at least they thought that they have and his other techniques like HH or that dome he used against Luppi have huge radius it would catch captains as well.

6. It isn't killing attack, but still one of his bests. For example in fight against Cang Du he used similar technique, why? because it's stronger.
Actually, Barragan is one of strongest and only one who was higher in rank than him was Coyote and Coyote wasn't interested, Yylfordt isn't same type as Coyote, he probably would accept position of leader.

7. It take at least 10 years for one to achive bankai and since Toshiro was genius i think that he achieved bankai in minimun, if his bankai training was near, it shouldn't be more than 2 or 3 years.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. When Aizen tried to catch him.

2. Aizen said that battles of shinigamis are battles of reiatsu, i don't see whats there unclear. He with his own reiatsu was able to escape Suzumebachi death in two hits, it's enough proof.

3. Technically it these situation was also Hinamori in danger.

4. Than i will just disagree with that.

5. That's because captain already had upper hand, at least they thought that they have and his other techniques like HH or that dome he used against Luppi have huge radius it would catch captains as well.

6. It isn't killing attack, but still one of his bests. For example in fight against Cang Du he used similar technique, why? because it's stronger.
Actually, Barragan is one of strongest and only one who was higher in rank than him was Coyote and Coyote wasn't interested, Yylfordt isn't same type as Coyote, he probably would accept position of leader.

7. It take at least 10 years for one to achive bankai and since Toshiro was genius i think that he achieved bankai in minimun, if his bankai training was near, it shouldn't be more than 2 or 3 years.

You mean while gin was grabbing the hogyoku while aizen was injured badly? Well of course he dodge that grab he was still hit thoe.

Ok yea that's aizen his spiritual pressure was above most an was way above gin's, so I wonder why aizen won't able to negate the effect if gin's bankai then?..it was gin sword ability it was to hard to fight against gin spirtual pressure had nothing to do with it.

Naw she won't in danger when he fought gin... she was mad at toshiro thoe at the time so I guess that's why he was mad...against aizen no she won't in trouble from the start when hitsugiya an the other where fighting aizen.

Ok let's agree to disagree.

Yea it can catch captains but it won't be easy he can't just use it an hope to catch them cuz they will move out the way..but you know how these anime's are now lol halibel just stood there an let the snow fall on her lol.

He used it cuz it's a new technique an it did not get the job done for real where as if he pierced him an then let out ice at point blank range it would have done more damage...an like I said was there really a leader between thoes three,yea shawlong was their leader before they got there power from Grimmjow but that don't make him stronger.

Yea but his powers were immature an not good enough I don't think he trained to much.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Yes, but it's still impresive, considere that, that was 3rd form of Hyogaku.

2. Aizen said that battles of shinigamis are battles of reiatsu, Aizen at that time wasn't shinigami anymore, he was transcedent.

3. Yes, she was hurt, Toshiro said that if Hinamori let one drop of blood he will kill Gin, he wanted revange against Aizen, for hurting Hinamori.

4. It's true, bot that was just hipotetical speaking, i already gave my argument about why i think Shawlong/Toshiro is stronger than Yylfordt/Renji.

5. Aizen in the end trolled them all, it's totaly irrelevant with which technique will Toshiro hit him.

6. Again true, but Renji didn't know about Hitsugaya at the begining of series, it means that Toshiro become captain recently, so he had some time to train, also Kyoraku said that captain position of 10 division was vacant, until Toshiro become captain, so it mean that he didn't become captain, right after Isshin defected.

 

[Velencia]

hm,
Hitsugaya.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Yes, but it's still impresive, considere that, that was 3rd form of Hyogaku.

2. Aizen said that battles of shinigamis are battles of reiatsu, Aizen at that time wasn't shinigami anymore, he was transcedent.

3. Yes, she was hurt, Toshiro said that if Hinamori let one drop of blood he will kill Gin, he wanted revange against Aizen, for hurting Hinamori.

4. It's true, bot that was just hipotetical speaking, i already gave my argument about why i think Shawlong/Toshiro is stronger than Yylfordt/Renji.

5. Aizen in the end trolled them all, it's totaly irrelevant with which technique will Toshiro hit him.

6. Again true, but Renji didn't know about Hitsugaya at the begining of series, it means that Toshiro become captain recently, so he had some time to train, also Kyoraku said that captain position of 10 division was vacant, until Toshiro become captain, so it mean that he didn't become captain, right after Isshin defected.

Naw won't impressive aizen was hurt an wont expecting it.

No he said this once soi fon attacked him in fkt.

No I don't believe she was hurt at all...he wanted revenge ok don't mean he has to go crazy with anger.

Yea an I gave my answer that yylfordt is physically the strongest in that group of arrancar.

Im just saying that tec is more deadly than the rest I don't know why you think it's the weakest.

Well he won't finish with bankai training when isshin left ether so who knows how long he's had bankai.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Aizen said that he didn't really believed Gin.
2. At the time he said that he was Shinigami, if you reread chapter you will cleraly see Fights of Shinigamis are fights of reiatsu.
3. He got anger take him over at the time Aizen fooled tham all, and made Toshiro pierce Hinamori, before that he was completly fine.
4. Yes but if you are brute strongest, doesn't mean that you are overall strongest.
5. Because at the time he fight against strong opponets (Luppi, Tier, Cang Du) he use other abilities.
6. Even if he finished training 10 years after Isshin defected (which is nearly impossible) he still had more time to train with bankai than Renji.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Aizen said that he didn't really believed Gin.
2. At the time he said that he was Shinigami, if you reread chapter you will cleraly see Fights of Shinigamis are fights of reiatsu.
3. He got anger take him over at the time Aizen fooled tham all, and made Toshiro pierce Hinamori, before that he was completly fine.
4. Yes but if you are brute strongest, doesn't mean that you are overall strongest.
5. Because at the time he fight against strong opponets (Luppi, Tier, Cang Du) he use other abilities.
6. Even if he finished training 10 years after Isshin defected (which is nearly impossible) he still had more time to train with bankai than Renji.

Yea he knew gin would try to kill him but he did not know when.

Yea I know that's when he said it he was a shinigami right?...anyone with aizen sword ability would be strong like give aizen shikai to soi fon I bet she would be able to beat gin easily even though her reiatsu is lower than his or at the same level.

Naw he still rushed aizen even before an said he wanted to violently kill him.

Yea I know but he matched renji better as an opponent cuz they both only used physical strength really.

Well yea he used other abilities he can't just rush in an hope to stab them.

Well yea I've said he's stronger than renji but not by much..how much do you need to train to even improve anyway I wonder? Who knows.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. So what?
2. I don't really understand? Sui Feng > Gin? No.
3. He was able to completely control his movements until Hinamori wasn't hurt.
4. ???

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. So what?
2. I don't really understand? Sui Feng > Gin? No.
3. He was able to completely control his movements until Hinamori wasn't hurt.
4. ???

He can't read gins mind he did not know that attack was coming.

In saying gin spirtual pressure was not higher than ichigo's he just had a better zanpacto

He can always control his movements.

Nothing forget about it.

 

[Dãrth1]

He can't read gins mind he did not know that attack was coming.

In saying gin spirtual pressure was not higher than ichigo's he just had a better zanpacto

He can always control his movements.

Nothing forget about it.

1. agree
2. The zanpakutous are from the shinigami soul, so it becomes stronger as the soul of the shinigami becomes stronger
3. He was enraged

 

[Forbidden Tale]

He can't read gins mind he did not know that attack was coming.

In saying gin spirtual pressure was not higher than ichigo's he just had a better zanpacto

He can always control his movements.

Nothing forget about it.

1. He know that, Gin can attack any time.
2. DarthPenance explained it.
3. Thats not what i meant. Hitsugaya didn't let ager take him over, he was able to focus anger in power, but after Hinamori was hurt, he wasn't able to hold back and he let anger take him over this time.

 

[ShiroT]

1. He know that, Gin can attack any time.
2. DarthPenance explained it.
3. Thats not what i meant. Hitsugaya didn't let ager take him over, he was able to focus anger in power, but after Hinamori was hurt, he wasn't able to hold back and he let anger take him over this time.

lol is this still about toshiro vs rukia?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. agree
2. The zanpakutous are from the shinigami soul, so it becomes stronger as the soul of the shinigami becomes stronger
3. He was enraged

What? Like I said gin zanpacto has a great ability it's the fastest an one of the longest zanpacto's..there was nothing ichigo could do if ichigo an gins spirtual pressure where even gin would still have the better advantage do to his sword abilities.

My point exactly

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. He know that, Gin can attack any time.
2. DarthPenance explained it.
3. Thats not what i meant. Hitsugaya didn't let ager take him over, he was able to focus anger in power, but after Hinamori was hurt, he wasn't able to hold back and he let anger take him over this time.

Yea he knows gin ca attack anytime but he did not know exactly when that attack was coming thoe.

What you mean turned his anger into power he did not get any stronger he just got madder.

lol is this still about toshiro vs rukia?

It's already been determined that rukia stomps on his corpse after she rapes him.