"It does not count as your power if you die as a result".

[Yocolaw]

Let me tell you why this logic does not blatantly apply.

As starters, Kishi does not have top 10, 20 or tier lists. He does not put characters in a line with a certain logic of who has more power. Every battle depend on a scenarior author have choosen. So "X is not top 10" is like saying "8 is not the best color". Stuffing a character in a bracket that can not exist in author's universe is not a definete result.

Second, a person can die as a result but can gain a power beyond comprehension of many others. In 1 vs 1 scenario; it is a "draw" by "versus" logic. NV is not vs section.

For example lets take look at 3rd raikage vs Gai, without last gate Gai loses to raikage, with it he wins, but they both die.
then look at Nagato vs 3rd raikage; Nagato would have a win yet raikage has nothing to stop Nagato, even if wants to give his life. Gai would lose his life, but he can take down Nagato.

As a result; Gai can end Nagato if that's his purpose, but 3rd raikage can't. Guess what; they both die in the end but atleast Gai is taking dwon the enemy.

Why did i give this example?

Because as i said NV is not a vs section. Same logic can be reversed to other characters with no over powered techs and say "they can't do anything when they die". Being able to get immense power even at the cost of one's can still fulfill purposes the many many others can't.

Beside, everybody dies in the end and most shinobi are all about putting their lives in the line. Getting overpowered and dying later is better than just dying.

Lol you say that cause u mad guy fighting the god and your fave fighting a mokuton mini lol it is his power he gain it by regurus trianing evwn skilled ninja cant do it to that limint which was said . Countless times in manga/anime so him doin that alone is a amazing feat its not a add on no kekegenkai no dojutsu itsstraight hard up work to get to a level human cant understan .lee goal is to be splended in only tai so thats one goal he traind to get to tgat gate for a moment like this thats why he skilled himself. Thats like saying naruto being the kyubi is not real power minato gave it to him so he could protect and keep undercontrol leaf/kyubii, gai know hell die useung it so when he dose use it its to protect the leaf or world which he is doing. If he had not sacrifice him self to save the world it be doomed.. jesuse sacrifice him self for the world guy models after him so he traind to be able to face this kinda threat unlike your faves llololololol

 

[paratise]

Does it even make sense to put Gai on a top 10 if he has to commit suicide to take on all 10?

Man my thread starts off with saying "there is not top 10 for Kishi".
Read the rest.

@KH i am feeling that you are arguing for the sake of it. My point was obvious.

Lol you say that cause u mad guy fighting the god and your fave fighting a mokuton mini lol it is his power he gain it by regurus trianing evwn skilled ninja cant do it to that limint which was said . Countless times in manga/anime so him doin that alone is a amazing feat its not a add on no kekegenkai no dojutsu itsstraight hard up work to get to a level human cant understan .lee goal is to be splended in only tai so thats one goal he traind to get to tgat gate for a moment like this thats why he skilled himself. Thats like saying naruto being the kyubi is not real power minato gave it to him so he could protect and keep undercontrol leaf/kyubii, gai know hell die useung it so when he dose use it its to protect the leaf or world which he is doing. If he had not sacrifice him self to save the world it be doomed.. jesuse sacrifice him self for the world guy models after him so he traind to be able to face this kinda threat unlike your faves llololololol

I don't like and of the people fighting the Mokuton mini more than Gai. He is my 4th-5th fave and i âm one of his biggest supporters in base. Thread can be considered pro-Gai i âm not mad at anything.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

it's a matter of prospective really hmm

but, using a suicidal technique technically means that a draw (the death of your enemy and yourself) is the best you can do against your opponent, meaning your opponent is stronger/forced you to use that one move that will cost you your life.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Mu and trollkage killed each other, it was a draw. Guy dying with his opponents is a draw.

By this logic, minato should be num 1/3 because his rds extends over a long range and you can't see the jutsu at all until your soul is already half yanked out.

Killing yourself to kill others doesn't make you top tier. Anyone can strap a bomb to their chest and "kill" mike tyson, but they're not stronger than him. Only in that brief suicidal momwnt is guy stronger than anyone.

 

[A v i]

That wasn't a very good analogy, since 3rd raikage beats Nagato

Dafaq?:yeah:

OT: Iam pretty sure u are fully aware of the fact that u aren't going to change anything with this thread But Ya, we can decide the winner of the battle based on the main objective of the battle but in a battle of strength VS strength it'll be a draw.
Nice thread Btw.

 

[paratise]

Mu and trollkage killed each other, it was a draw. Guy dying with his opponents is a draw.

By this logic, minato should be num 1/3 because his rds extends over a long range and you can't see the jutsu at all until your soul is already half yanked out.

Killing yourself to kill others doesn't make you top tier. Anyone can strap a bomb to their chest and "kill" mike tyson, but they're not stronger than him. Only in that brief suicidal momwnt is guy stronger than anyone.

Yet by dying he can achieve what others can't.
I âm not saying x is stronger than y. İn fact i way there are No tiers or top lists in NV.

Dafaq?:yeah:

OT: Iam pretty sure u are fully aware of the fact that u aren't going to change anything with this thread But Ya, we can decide the winner of the battle based on the main objective of the battle but in a battle of strength VS strength it'll be a draw.
Nice thread Btw.

that's what i âm saying, and thanks =D

 

[Gold Lightning]

Nah, it's a draw or stalemate using 8 Gates. It's definitely Gai's power, but if he has to resort into suicide to defeat powerful opponents then I don't really think it's worth mentioning.

 

[paratise]

^The power that's not worth mentioning allows someone to get power beyond -almost- anything.

That is worthy of a mention in Kishi's world, and i already told the power is something that's not limited to 1 vs 1.

Gai can get a great deal of power at the cost of one's life, but many others can't get power close to that at the cost of their life.

 

[Icelerate]

So basically if a suicide bomber takes down a bunch of soldiers, that suicide bomber is on par with those soldiers he took down?

 

[Owarij]

New tier list confirmed

Hiruzen/Minato
Minato/Hiruzen
everyone else