[Spoilers] Rukia vs Toshiro?

[Braveknight]

1. It means that Aizen is enough affraid and must create Wonderweiss.
2. He said it (Yamamoto can't be it), it's just RJ, os with jusr RJ he may surpass Aizen, but with other abilities as well he can.
3. He was already fused with Hyogaku when he took 90s level kido.

The thing is, I've read the story front and back. I've seen every episode and filler. Aizen never admitted Yamamoto was stronger than him. Yamamoto also has next to nil feats. I think WW is the only feat Yamamoto has? Which wasn't much. So where is the evidence that Aizen said Yamamoto is stronger. That Yamamoto is more intelligent than Aizen, or more powerful, even in base. Evidence for that just doesn't exist. Trust me, I know. The only thing you will find is feat after feat for Aizen. Look at it in another viewpoint. If Yamamoto was so strong, Bach killed him in one hit effortlessly and tried to recruit Aizen. That alone speaks magnitudes.

Before you even try to say Bach never recruited Yamamoto becasue he would refuse, you are forgetting that the Quincy use brainwashing techniques. They could've easily took Yamamoto hostage and brainwashed him. They chose to eliminate him very easily. Yamamto was really nothing but a speck in the world of power. I say out of the top 20 strongest, Yamamoto might make rank 15 and that would be due to his Zanpakuto, not him personally. Yamamoto has also proven to be one of the most, if not the most, idiotic Shinigami known to exist. I'm not saying that to be rude, but it is a known fact. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[ShiroT]

Lol what toshiro planned the execution of rukia what I don't remember that? If anything he had to lie back then but while fighting Yama he had no reason to.



Lol o reread the manga please lol hahaha wow I'm done..I believe hitsugiya was fighting against his bankai useing ice during the first in vasion...Yama took bazz out in one second go reread...an he never said his flames wer stronger go reread lol..lol yea if they fought head on he would be surpassed enough said an that was just yama shikai..

LIKE I SAID ONCE BEFORE RUKIA TRANING WAS SPEACIAL not normal training.



Yea she controls the temperature not ice go reread once again.

dude read the manga. yamamato dies, everybody gets there bankai stolen. toshiro trains and has shikai he then fights bazz b and loses, the person who shows up to kill him stole his bankai, all captains pop the pill and get their bankai back. Are you high or something? like i said this fight took place after yamamato died

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. You can even read bazz b's or toshiro's wiki it and says right their when the fight happened!

 

[ShiroT]

1. It means that Aizen is enough affraid and must create Wonderweiss.
2. He said it (Yamamoto can't be it), it's just RJ, os with jusr RJ he may surpass Aizen, but with other abilities as well he can.
3. He was already fused with Hyogaku when he took 90s level kido.

no it means aizen didnt want to deal with his flames and decided to make wonderwiess instead

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Toshiro is a captain, not saying that matters at this point in the manga.

But toshiro has showed to use great strategy while in battle. And rukia shikai seems to have a rang, that rang being the person. Toshiro has shown to be able to regenerate limbs with ice if needed. And also shows to use clones, to confuse his opponents. And with all his ultimate techniques that he knows, and learned. He is definitely a strong opponent. And its true sense toshiro has the strongest ice water type bankai, everything rukia throws at him wouldn't affect him as much as it would a person of no resistance to ice.

And as shown rukia shikai takes time to increase the celsius. And sense toshiro has protection against ice itself, it would move even slower giving toshiro time to counter attact, while rukia shows whilst backed into a coner offen, those not no what to do.

Also shown while fighting the quincy, she only won do to byakuya's word. And just to let you know absolute zero isn't even the coldest one can become.

Well dang wats colder than absolute 0 pleas let me know....the moment rukia uses bankai he a dead man she probly won't have to go that far.

 

[Braveknight]

Well dang wats colder than absolute 0 pleas let me know....the moment rukia uses bankai he a dead man she probly won't have to go that far.

the manga said toshiro have the strongest ice based sword/bankai. pwease

 

[Forbidden Tale]

The thing is, I've read the story front and back. I've seen every episode and filler. Aizen never admitted Yamamoto was stronger than him. Yamamoto also has next to nil feats. I think WW is the only feat Yamamoto has? Which wasn't much. So where is the evidence that Aizen said Yamamoto is stronger. That Yamamoto is more intelligent than Aizen, or more powerful, even in base. Evidence for that just doesn't exist. Trust me, I know. The only thing you will find is feat after feat for Aizen. Look at it in another viewpoint. If Yamamoto was so strong, Bach killed him in one hit effortlessly and tried to recruit Aizen. That alone speaks magnitudes.

Before you even try to say Bach never recruited Yamamoto becasue he would refuse, you are forgetting that the Quincy use brainwashing techniques. They could've easily took Yamamoto hostage and brainwashed him. They chose to eliminate him very easily. Yamamto was really nothing but a speck in the world of power. I say out of the top 20 strongest, Yamamoto might make rank 15 and that would be due to his Zanpakuto, not him personally. Yamamoto has also proven to be one of the most, if not the most, idiotic Shinigami known to exist. I'm not saying that to be rude, but it is a known fact. Sorry to disappoint.

1. I just posted page when he said that his shikai (not bankai) alone maybe can beat him (witout Hakudo/kido).

2. WW wasn't much? He defeated him with just hakuda, i will say that WW demolished captain level shinigami (also posibility that he beat Kensei without ressurection).

3. I never said that Yama is more inteligent than Aizen, if i going to compare these two, that's only aspect in which Aizen is better than Yamamoto.

4. Or maybe Bach is just on another level compared to others? As long as i know, Yhwach defeat Yama with Zanka no Tachi, not with his own power and also i know that Yama without full power of his bankai was able to beat Yhwach 1000 years ago.

5. Yamamoto is the one who killed Quincys 1000 years ago, he is also one who lead Shinigami battles 200 years ago, when Shinigami killed more Quincys. They hate him from depth of their hearths, not just him, all shinigamis. Even thought that Zaraki is one of the SWP, Yhwach didn't take him and brainwashed, why? because he hate shinigamis, also i'm pretty sure that he could take other shinigamis and brainwashed him (Renji, Rukia, Byakuya), but he didn't because he hate them so much.
The reason why he show interest in Aizen and Ichigo is because Ichigo is not only Shinigami (he is also Quincy and Fullbringer) and he wasn't around when Quincy was destroyed 200 or 1000 years ago and Aizen himself don't like shinigamis.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

dude read the manga. yamamato dies, everybody gets there bankai stolen. toshiro trains and has shikai he then fights bazz b and loses, the person who shows up to kill him stole his bankai, all captains pop the pill and get their bankai back. Are you high or something? like i said this fight took place after yamamato died

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. You can even read bazz b's or toshiro's wiki it and says right their when the fight happened!

Everybody got their bankai stolen befor Yama died so yea go reread buddy..Yama was attacked by bazz-b asnodt an nana during the first invasion an Yama took out all of them out but thanks to bazz-b he was able to off set Yama flames to the point where he could survive but he was still injured a great amount...juha even stated no other Quincy was strong enough to still Yama bankai besides him self meaning Yama>>> every Quincy but juha.

the manga said toshiro have the strongest ice based sword/bankai. pwease

Yea he has the strongest ice type but he's still young an needs more time to train...an like I said rukia controls temperature not ice.

 

[Braveknight]

1. I just posted page when he said that his shikai (not bankai) alone maybe can beat him (witout Hakudo/kido).

2. WW wasn't much? He defeated him with just hakuda, i will say that WW demolished captain level shinigami (also posibility that he beat Kensei without ressurection).

3. I never said that Yama is more inteligent than Aizen, if i going to compare these two, that's only aspect in which Aizen is better than Yamamoto.

4. Or maybe Bach is just on another level compared to others? As long as i know, Yhwach defeat Yama with Zanka no Tachi, not with his own power and also i know that Yama without full power of his bankai was able to beat Yhwach 1000 years ago.

5. Yamamoto is the one who killed Quincys 1000 years ago, he is also one who lead Shinigami battles 200 years ago, when Shinigami killed more Quincys. They hate him from depth of their hearths, not just him, all shinigamis. Even thought that Zaraki is one of the SWP, Yhwach didn't take him and brainwashed, why? because he hate shinigamis, also i'm pretty sure that he could take other shinigamis and brainwashed him (Renji, Rukia, Byakuya), but he didn't because he hate them so much.
The reason why he show interest in Aizen and Ichigo is because Ichigo is not only Shinigami (he is also Quincy and Fullbringer) and he wasn't around when Quincy was destroyed 200 or 1000 years ago and Aizen himself don't like shinigamis.

i will remind you something

Aizen still in his sealed form was able to use his powers on juha and make him and his army retreat. a dude who one shotted yamamoto without any difficulty ran tail between his legs back to his palace. i don't know what to speak any more about Aizen's power levels...lol
Yhwach would have done it if juha ordered him.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

i will remind you something

Aizen still in his sealed form was able to use his powers on juha and make him and his army retreat. a dude who one shotted yamamoto without any difficulty ran tail between his legs back to his palace. i don't know what to speak any more about Aizen's power levels...lol
Yhwach would have done it if juha ordered him.

Aizen didn't make army retreat, he just make Yhwach lose timing.
Yhwach have time limit in which he can stay outside shadow that's why he retreat. Army retreat because Royal Guard will soon come down and they have to regroup, Aizen didn't do anything.
From what we know, Yhwach only one shotted Yamamoto because of Zanka no Tachi, not because of his power.

 

[ShiroT]

Everybody got their bankai stolen befor Yama died so yea go reread buddy..Yama was attacked by bazz-b asnodt an nana during the first invasion an Yama took out all of them out but thanks to bazz-b he was able to off set Yama flames to the point where he could survive but he was still injured a great amount...juha even stated no other Quincy was strong enough to still Yama bankai besides him self meaning Yama>>> every Quincy but juha.

lol sure go back on your word then nic-pick on what i said. You said toshiro didnt fight blazz b because yamamato killed him, so your response was "they lost there bankai before yamamato died reread the manga" lmao this is to funny. Ok i apologize he didnt say he was stronger he offset his flames, my point still stands.

And your calling toshiro to young and needs to train? Rukia hasnt even mastered her bankia which is the reason she only has 4

 

[Braveknight]

Aizen didn't make army retreat, he just make Yhwach lose timing.
Yhwach have time limit in which he can stay outside shadow that's why he retreat. Army retreat because Royal Guard will soon come down and they have to regroup, Aizen didn't do anything.
From what we know, Yhwach only one shotted Yamamoto because of Zanka no Tachi, not because of his power.

he looked at his hand dissolving, and said it's aizen's work, check the page again ^^

 

[Kenshin the god of war]

Well dang wats colder than absolute 0 pleas let me know....the moment rukia uses bankai he a dead man she probly won't have to go that far.

Key word if she can go bankai, and that will be her only chance but she'll still lose.

And absolute zero is pretty much the coldest, but can be surpassed. Like gas can reach temperatures below absolute zero. Remember i said below. And since you have no idea what rukia bankai can actually do everything you say revolving around her bankai, is irrelevant,and opinion based.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

lol sure go back on your word then nic-pick on what i said. You said toshiro didnt fight blazz b because yamamato killed him, so your response was "they lost there bankai before yamamato died reread the manga" lmao this is to funny. Ok i apologize he didnt say he was stronger he offset his flames, my point still stands.

And your calling toshiro to young and needs to train? Rukia hasnt even mastered her bankia which is the reason she only has 4

Now go back an find where I said Yama killed bazz-b please?

Yes he still has long ways to go kyoraku himself said hitsugiya needs a hundred more years if training before he is stronger than him self...yea if hitsugiya went threw the royal palace training his zanpacto would be way stronger than what it is now an would be easily above rukia but he did not go threw the training so he is now weaker than rukia.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

he looked at his hand dissolving, and said it's aizen's work, check the page again ^^

Yes, because he have time limit (he said so to Jugram) and Aizen made him believe that he spoke to him shorter than actually.

 

[ShiroT]

Lol what toshiro planned the execution of rukia what I don't remember that? If anything he had to lie back then but while fighting Yama he had no reason to.



Lol o reread the manga please lol hahaha wow I'm done..I believe hitsugiya was fighting against his bankai useing ice during the first in vasion...Yama took bazz out in one second go reread...an he never said his flames wer stronger go reread lol..lol yea if they fought head on he would be surpassed enough said an that was just yama shikai..

LIKE I SAID ONCE BEFORE RUKIA TRANING WAS SPEACIAL not normal training.



Yea she controls the temperature not ice go reread once again.

i guess took out in one second means something different where your from. What does kyokaru have anything do to in a toshiro vs rukia debate? he said toshiro in 100 years could surpas him, toshiro at that time was stronger than rukia. Toshiro has trained more with his bankai, rukia just got hers and can only use i for 4 secs whats your point. And you do know that as nodt survived at az while toshiro has the strongest ice bankai so your saying h wouldnt do better than nodt which would lead to rukia being killed

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Key word if she can go bankai, and that will be her only chance but she'll still lose.

And absolute zero is pretty much the coldest, but can be surpassed. Like gas can reach temperatures below absolute zero. Remember i said below. And since you have no idea what rukia bankai can actually do everything you say revolving around her bankai, is irrelevant,and opinion based.

Of course she can go bankai when ever she wants so she will have no problem going to it ..an no she wins.

Wat gas gets colder than absolute zero? An he works with ice not gas...

An rukia bankai most likely puts out temperature of absolute zero at a very fast rate seeing as how she also had to cool down the same way as when she was in shikai.

 

[ShiroT]

Of course she can go bankai when ever she wants so she will have no problem going to it ..an no she wins.

Wat gas gets colder than absolute zero? An he works with ice not gas...

An rukia bankai most likely puts out temperature of absolute zero at a very fast rate seeing as how she also had to cool down the same way as when she was in shikai.

plz stop saying its weather vs temperature lol its a ICE/WATER type that affects the weather and a ICE type that affects the temperature lol they say it so many times throughout the show and manga XD there is no weather type zanpakuto

 

[Avinash012]

Current Rukiya is > Hitsugaya.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Hitsugaya takes this 10/10 times for me.

He's smarter
Better swordsmanship
More experience with Ice and water
More experience with his bankai.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

i guess took out in one second means something different where your from. What does kyokaru have anything do to in a toshiro vs rukia debate? he said toshiro in 100 years could surpas him, toshiro at that time was stronger than rukia. Toshiro has trained more with his bankai, rukia just got hers and can only use i for 4 secs whats your point. And you do know that as nodt survived at az while toshiro has the strongest ice bankai so your saying h wouldnt do better than nodt which would lead to rukia being killed

Sorry by took out I meant defeated him but not killed him....by that I meant y'all saying he has the strongest ice type like he is comparable to Yama or something like he would just waste rukia when it's clear he still has long ways to go before he is considered one of the stronger captians.

Yea but not only did she make her zanpacto stronger her physical feats increased aswell..he survived due to vollstanding...an no he would not do better than asnodt an him hitting rukia with ice would mean nothing seeing as she can survive absolute zero degrees her speed will also out do his aswell making it even tougher for hitsugiya.