What if jiraiya was alive?

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Wondering what if jiraiya was alive.
He could perfect sage mode i guess.
Create a new variation of rasenshuriken just like he copied minatos rasengan.
And how many opponents could he defeat in the great ninja war?
And if he got kyung chakra from naruto like the rest . With the help of sage mode...would he be able to stand up to obito?
 

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Hed probably be along side tsunade or naruto in the war.
 

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Jiraiya would've never had perfect sage mode. He started his training when he was a kid and died @ the age of 52 ( or 54 not sure). If he could perfect it he would've done it already.
 

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Jiraiya can fight on par with the resurrected Kages without those power ups.

Naruto wouldn't have gotten any character development if Jiraiya lived.
 

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Would he be stronger than the Kaye's? And defeat ems Madara? With the help of the kages?
 

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If he would have seen naruto perfect sage mode. He would have gotten inspired and tried his best.
And about pain . Naruto and jiraiya would batte him together! That would have been awesome two sages vs pain!
 

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Would he be stronger than the Kaye's? And defeat ems Madara? With the help of the kages?

Jiraiya > Muu

Jiraiya > 4th Kazekage

Jiraiya > 2nd Mizaukage

3rd Raikage > Jiraiya

I think among the current Kages, he's better than Mei and Tsunade, and is on par with Gaara and Onoki. I believe A is a bad match up for him.
 

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He'd still be fodder.
 

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Wondering what if jiraiya was alive.
He could perfect sage mode i guess.
Create a new variation of rasenshuriken just like he copied minatos rasengan.
And how many opponents could he defeat in the great ninja war?
And if he got kyung chakra from naruto like the rest . With the help of sage mode...would he be able to stand up to obito?

jiraiya can't use perfect sage mode... he can use unlimited sage mode...
and jiraiya can't copy a tech, and Rasen shuriken takes a lot of practice and no matter how damn smart you are, you need futun chakra nataure doing that...

but I wish he was alive
he is really powerful
after all he is honored-sage
 

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Jiraiya can fight on par with the resurrected Kages without those power ups.

Naruto wouldn't have gotten any character development if Jiraiya lived.

this ^^

Jirayia is dead (had closure) U_U i would hate to see him now (his death would loose it's meaning).

i mean if he survived the fight against Pain then he wouldn't hide from the fourth great Shinobi war/would have showed up way earlier.

BTW Jiraiya reached his limit with his imperfect SM (he's too old), the idea behind it is for Naruto to step in and surpass him by mastering it.
 
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Jiraiya on par with gaara seriously? I think gaara is weaker than jiraiya.

I've seen a user make a very convincing argument for Gaara beating Jiraiya, I can repost it here if you like.
 

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Please do. I never thought in my life that gaara would defeat jiraiya. I mean naruto was able to defeat him part 1 and we haven't seen any significant improvement in gaara since then. Jiraiya in sage mode would stomp him........
 

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I think Jiraiya's death was necessary for Naruto's development, but It'd be really cool if he was alive.
 

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Please do. I never thought in my life that gaara would defeat jiraiya. I mean naruto was able to defeat him part 1 and we haven't seen any significant improvement in gaara since then. Jiraiya in sage mode would stomp him........

No flaming.

Gaara Wins.

On The Defensive: Countering Summons


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Gaara being an aerial based fighter is already hard to deal with. Add in the fact that he is noted by Naruto (who just finished fighting the 3rd Raikage) to possess , landing a direct hit will be no easy task. Especially for a non long-range fighter.




Oil

The "oil" that was stated to be Gaaras weakness, and the oil that Jiraiya uses ,are not the exact same substance.

  • Trollkages Oil

    The Trollkages oil, that Gaara has mentioned to seep through his sand and destroy it, isn't exactly just oil. It is a mixture of water and oil. This is proven when it was referred to as a " " thus implying that it isn't just oil, but water as well. This is confirmed to be the case, when Onoki was explaining the mechanics of Joki Boy. He mentioned that the Mizukages body contains .

  • Jiraiyas Oil

    Now, the substance that Jiraiya uses is pure oil. A and very flammable substance.

The difference between the two, is that the oily water the Mizukage uses is very slick and slippery. Reason why Gaara noted it to seep threw his sand. While in contact with the sand, the watery oil turned it into a gooey, slimy, . Jiraiyas oil lacks the watery substance to make is slick and slippery in order for it seep threw Gaaras sand as effectively. It would just cause the sand to stick together and clump up. Also, it is worth mentioning that oil and water can not mix. So bringing up Gamabunta and Jiraiya synchronizing there Suiton+Oil attacks as they did with Katon+Oil is futile because it wouldn't work. The oily water is innate only to the Trollkage.




Katon

It has been stated multiple times that Gaaras sand won't be able to sustain the heat from techniques such as Jiraiyas collaborative Toad-Oil Flame Bullet and Goemon, but the manga specifically say's that fire is useless against sand [ ] which was made evident throughout the manga against much hotter and stronger variants of fire as Gaara's sand has shown to withstand attacks at a very high degree with no problem. The sand withstood Amaterasu [ ], said to be the hottest form of Katon. As well as Deidaras C3 [ ]-[ ]

Suiton

Gaara has shown to be able to manipulate his sand through water [ ] without it being tampered in the slightest bit. Thus, the summonings suiton attacks will be no issue for Gaara.




Kenjutsu

I already established how oil, water, and katon from Jiraiyas summons won't be a major factor in this match, so I might as well tackle everything else his summonings have to offer since people think it plays such a huge part in why Gaara will lose this match. Any kenjutsu such as Toad Sword Behading technique won't be effective in this match-up either. While it did in fact slice of the Shukakus arm, however Gaaras defense is much greater since then. Susano'o sword alone wasn't able to break Gaaras defenses [ ] It took 5 Susano'o swords just to overpower Gaaras sand [ ] but even though, the 5 Susano'o only managed to push Gaaras back, and didn't deal any significant amount of damage.




Countering Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu

This is a worthy counter in order to stop Gaara from going airborne, however it is avoidable. How you may ask? The answer is substituting himself with a clone. Though, most likely being some sort of Space/Time Ninjutsu, it is still a form of summoning. Therefore the procedure requiring a summoning applies. Gaara who is known closely analyze his opponents will obviously take note of this and prepare accordingly. Between the time it takes to prepare the summoning and the the time before the animal is actually summoned and dropped, Gaara can use this window to create a . Take note of what Kakashi says in the scan that I provided. Gaara used a clone feint between the very small window provided when Lee stopped his body for only a split second [ ]. This allows Gaara to avoid Food Cart Destroyer and emerge from the ground unscathed.

This serves as a perfect segway into Gaara's counter attack.




The Offensive


After Gaara emerges from the ground unscathed...

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He can begin on his counter attack.

Considering the fact that creating sand comes effortless for Gaara, he can immediately create a giant even in a grass field. Only this time, . This will blind Jiraiys line of sight, thus allowing Gaara to immediately go airborne and crash down on the boss toad and Jiraiya and sweep the entire area in sand. The Sand Tsunami will be followed by a , which will crush the feet of any of his summonings and ultimately make them immobile or better yet poof back where they came from. In the event that Jiraiya and the boss toad avoid the sand tsunami (by jumping over it) Gaara can quite easily just wait and anticipate where they're going to land and initiate a .

Gaara's Overwhelming Combos

Gaara is a very dangerous opponent given the fact that he can attack from the sky, surface, and below the surface almost simultaneously. While Jiraiya is focusing on avoiding the giant wave of sand crashing down on him, Gaara can prepare a as well as using the sand already on the surface to take hold of Jiraiyas feet to keep him from moving. The Suna Arare are giant clumps of sand that cover a wide area and crash down onto the opponent. Jiraiya being unable to move, will get pelted by this technique causing a great amount of damage.

Even if Jiraiya manages to survive such an onslaught of attacks, there is nothing stopping Gaara from proceeding with more. As Gaaras battle style is to distance himself far from the opponent and use continuous amounts of attacks to overwhelm the opponent. After the Suna Arare, Gaara can perform [ ] which will bury Jiraiya 200 Meters in the earth, with so much pressure that not even the smallest of movements are possible or finish him with a sand coffin/pyramid.


@ FT (If you read this): Idk if you're cool with me re-posting this, so apologies in advance.
 

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Senpou Chou oodoma rasengan? How will gaara counter that. A normal Oodoma ease ban could break through gaara a defense.
And frog song genjustsu. About the summons they distract gaara while jiraiya does the song. And jiraiya a SM taijutsu is definitely faster than gaara sand . As lee with just his weights taken off could over come gaara sand.
 

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He would have been fighting his heart out in the war....while still being pervy with Tsunade XD
 

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He would make the most dramatic entrance ever with new dance moves.
 
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