[VS] Shino vs Kankuro

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Same thing happens as it did in Part I. Shino's bugs eat Kankuro's chakra strings.
 

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yeah i think so shino
 

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Kankuro wins.
In part 1 with only one puppet he beat Shino high-diff (it wasn't a stalemate because Shino would die from the poison while Kankuro was fine moments after), adding the rest of his arsenal makes it much easier this time to get rid of Shino.
Intel also favours Kankuro as he'll be expecting the bugs to eat the threads, preparing himself for that ocasion.
 

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Kankuro wins.
In part 1 with only one puppet he beat Shino high-diff (it wasn't a stalemate because Shino would die from the poison while Kankuro was fine moments after), adding the rest of his arsenal makes it much easier this time to get rid of Shino.
Intel also favours Kankuro as he'll be expecting the bugs to eat the threads, preparing himself for that ocasion.

Shino can use a clone feint to trick Kankuro into attacking a bug clone. The moment the puppet makes contact with the clone, the bugs disperse and eat the chakra strings.
 

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Shino can use a clone feint to trick Kankuro into attacking a bug clone. The moment the puppet makes contact with the clone, the bugs disperse and eat the chakra strings.

That's not going to work twice, not when Kankuro is aware of his bug clones and has 5 puppets on the battlefield.
Shino won't be able to get anywhere near him to pull off the same strategy w/o getting trapped or overwhelmed by Kankuro's puppets.
 

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That's not going to work twice, not when Kankuro is aware of his bug clones and has 5 puppets on the battlefield.
Shino won't be able to get anywhere near him to pull off the same strategy w/o getting trapped or overwhelmed by Kankuro's puppets.

I still don't understand how Kankuro stops Shino's bugs from eating the chakra strings? Just because he knows they will do it doesn't mean he can stop it from happening.
 

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Shino swarms the area with his bugs in little less than a few seconds. Shino Mid-Dif
 

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I still don't understand how Kankuro stops Shino's bugs from eating the chakra strings? Just because he knows they will do it doesn't mean he can stop it from happening.

He can't keep up with 5 puppets, that's the problem. He needed to be just to paralyze Crow.
Assuming this is in a place with trees where Kankuro can hide, Shino won't be able to get to him . This will be an impossible task when Kankuro has more than just Crow on the battlefield, Shino would be overwhelmed.
If Kankuro w/ Crow is >/= Shino, then w/ Scorpion, Black Ant and Salamander (2x) he certainly wins.
 

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He can't keep up with 5 puppets, that's the problem. He needed to be just to paralyze Crow.
Assuming this is in a place with trees where Kankuro can hide, Shino won't be able to get to him . This will be an impossible task when Kankuro has more than just Crow on the battlefield, Shino would be overwhelmed.
If Kankuro w/ Crow is >/= Shino, then w/ Scorpion, Black Ant and Salamander (2x) he certainly wins.

I just remembered that current Kankuro has his Sasori puppet. If so, Sasori's fire/water attacks would burn or wash away Shino's insects. You're right, Kankuro wins this.
 

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I just remembered that current Kankuro has his Sasori puppet. If so, Sasori's fire/water attacks would burn or wash away Shino's insects. You're right, Kankuro wins this.

That wasn't the point I made though xD
At least now we agree on the point that Kankuro wins.
 

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Kankuro wins.
In part 1 with only one puppet he beat Shino high-diff (it wasn't a stalemate because Shino would die from the poison while Kankuro was fine moments after), adding the rest of his arsenal makes it much easier this time to get rid of Shino.
Intel also favours Kankuro as he'll be expecting the bugs to eat the threads, preparing himself for that ocasion.
If we take that into account then we should consider that Shino would expect to be poisoned. Kankuro was fine because, unlike him, Shino didn't want to kill him. Also, Kankuro is partially fine because of Temari. She would have waited with him while he restored his chakra.
Shino had evaded every one of Kankuro's attacks, forcing him to use the smoke bomb. This was the only attack that actually succeeded in hitting Shino. Even when he was aware of Shino's attacks it didn't prevent him from playing into Shino's strategy. He knew of the clones, he knew that the female bugs are used for tracking and that the males can scent them. He knew that Shino tricks his opponents into a false trap. So stating that Kankuro will be expecting certain methods of attack is mute point.
So if we're using their original fight to determine who wins the rematch, I think Shino has the better chance.

That's not going to work twice, not when Kankuro is aware of his bug clones and has 5 puppets on the battlefield.
Shino won't be able to get anywhere near him to pull off the same strategy w/o getting trapped or overwhelmed by Kankuro's puppets.
It already has worked twice. . Kankuro isn't going to know if it's the real Shino until he attacks or traps him.
Kankuro's more than likely to be the one overwhelmed if we're talking about numbers being an advantage. Shino's insects are small, numerous, can clone and can still block the joints of the puppets. One Sasori puppet with a fire canon that shoots only two burst of flames isn't going to stop the insects, which have an AoE method of attack.
Kankuro also has to concentrate on three things at the same time: his puppets (5 of them), Shino and the insects. A lot of insects.

I just remembered that current Kankuro has his Sasori puppet. If so, Sasori's fire/water attacks would burn or wash away Shino's insects. You're right, Kankuro wins this.
The water shooters and flamethrowers have only two points of attack. They shoot out of the left and right palm of Scorpion. Shino's insects attack as an AoE method. That means that Kankuro can only use Scorpion to attack two targets with water or flames, while the insects can attack elsewhere.
 

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If we take that into account then we should consider that Shino would expect to be poisoned. Kankuro was fine because, unlike him, Shino didn't want to kill him. Also, Kankuro is partially fine because of Temari. She would have waited with him while he restored his chakra.
Shino had evaded every one of Kankuro's attacks, forcing him to use the smoke bomb. This was the only attack that actually succeeded in hitting Shino. Even when he was aware of Shino's attacks it didn't prevent him from playing into Shino's strategy. He knew of the clones, he knew that the female bugs are used for tracking and that the males can scent them. He knew that Shino tricks his opponents into a false trap. So stating that Kankuro will be expecting certain methods of attack is mute point.
So if we're using their original fight to determine who wins the rematch, I think Shino has the better chance.


It already has worked twice. . Kankuro isn't going to know if it's the real Shino until he attacks or traps him.
Kankuro's more than likely to be the one overwhelmed if we're talking about numbers being an advantage. Shino's insects are small, numerous, can clone and can still block the joints of the puppets. One Sasori puppet with a fire canon that shoots only two burst of flames isn't going to stop the insects, which have an AoE method of attack.
Kankuro also has to concentrate on three things at the same time: his puppets (5 of them), Shino and the insects. A lot of insects.

Shino was holding his own against Crow alone, one puppet and in the end still lost. I absolutely can't see how he'll keep up with other four, when his strategy barely allowed him to achieve a sort of stalemate.
I say Kankuro will be expecting the same strategy because its the only thing that worked last time and its something that he'll have to prevent against.

@bold: No it hasn't, they only fought once ._.
He doesn't need to know if its the real Shino, he only needs to attack and keep at least one of his puppets near him for protection, just .
As far as we've seen he can only do one clone at a time and didn't use that opportunity to attack, most likely because he uses every insect to form a clone of his own size (logically speaking at least, its still speculation though).
The fact that they're small means that they're stronger when together but weaker when separated (i think Shino some comment like that during the CE). I don't remember seeing Kankuro being overwhelmed last time w/o Shino's strategy being put to use. His bugs aren't like Gaara's sand.
 
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