Kishi has borrowed character designs before

[Floydical]

The war arc is full of evidence of Kishi borrowing anime character and even weapon designs. Even before this Raiga fiasco, it was obvious that Kishi borrowed the sword design the anime gave to Raiga:

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In addition, Kishi borrowed the Pakura, Gari and Chukichi character designs from the 3rd Shippuden movie:

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I don't believe at all that this character is Raiga. Instead, I believe he is simply a character design that Kishi borrowed to use as part of his manga.

Reasons it is most likely not Raiga:

Edit: Conceded the point about the hair :|

1. The Ninja is a grown man in Guy's flashback. Gai is around 30 and is flashing back to when he was a kid, presumably around the time he participated in the chuunin exams because he looks the same as he did then, as do his teammates. By my rough calculations, this would put Raiga between 40 and 50 years old when Naruto fought him. I don't find this logical.

2. In addition, if Raiga was a swordsman during Guy's youth than that means that the Twin blades passed from him to Ringo. We know that Ringo was the most recent wielder, hence why he was brought back by Kabuto and not Raiga. This proves that the character shown in Guy's flashback cannot be the Raiga we saw in the anime, since the character in the manga had the twin blades BEFORE Ringo, not after him.

3. Raiga doesn't have shark teeth.

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While the manga doesn't confirm what his teeth look like, the Raiga character was designed before we knew all 7SM had shark teeth. This seems to imply to me that he isn't a canon swordsman. Again, Kishi likely took the character design, but its not actually Raiga.

 

[Dark Link]

Doesn't all of them do it at least once

 

[Young Vongola]

I don't understand the purpose of trying to fight the fact tha the character is Raiga. He was one of the 7 swordsmen in the anime, and has just been adopted into the manga. What would be the point of taking this character and having him be essentially the same person, but change his name..? That's just senseless. It's Raiga.

 

[The Necromancer]

Obviously. So?

 

[Slick OmniBaba]

Good eye, dawg

 

[Floydical]

I don't understand the purpose of trying to fight the fact tha the character is Raiga. He was one of the 7 swordsmen in the anime, and has just been adopted into the manga. What would be the point of taking this character and having him be essentially the same person, but change his name..? That's just senseless. It's Raiga.

The hair color in the manga alone should be proof enough that its not Raiga. You can believe whatever you want, I'm explaining why I believe it isn't Raiga.

Obviously. So?

I'm proposing that its not Raiga, and rather another character design that Kishi adopted to him manga from the anime.

 

[ShiroT]

who cares its all still under naruto

 

[Potatoe929]

I realized that Pakura and Gari's design were in the movie but i thought that was actually Pakura and Gari. Wow i didn't realize Kishi did something like that.

 

[Floydical]

I realized that Pakura and Gari's design were in the movie but i thought that was actually Pakura and Gari. Wow i didn't realize Kishi did something like that.

One could assume that those characters were actually Pakura and Gari, but that would mean their deaths are non-canon. So considering they are canon characters, that cannot be them because their deaths need to be canon since they were revived in the manga. What I'm saying is that it can't be them, they must be different characters altogether.

I'm proposing that these and Raiga's character designs were burrowed by Kishi that he made new characters out of.

 

[Uzumakisan]

I thought the Anime guys have access to some kind of Kishi's bank of ideas. (with obvious limitations)
Not the opposite.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

I thought the Anime guys have access to some kind of Kishi's bank of ideas. (with obvious limitations)
Not the opposite.

ditto as a mangaka he has to draw up tests of characters and see if they get approved etc

 

[Floydical]

I thought the Anime guys have access to some kind of Kishi's bank of ideas. (with obvious limitations)
Not the opposite.

ditto as a mangaka he has to draw up tests of characters and see if they get approved etc

Possible, but letting the anime team use character designs that he has yet to introduce in his manga? It certainly creates confusion as to why Kishi would allow it and not expect people to wonder. One fact remains that he didn't give names for the unknown 7SM, and likely never will.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Its Raiga, Dude wtf are you smoking.

His hair is dark green hair, that doesn't mean his hair in the manga is dark. Take a look at Karin hair, her hair is black in the manga, but yet in the anime her hair in reddish...

Your argument is flawed, you cannot assume Raiga age presume when Gai was a kid, that doesn't change the fact by the time gai reach 30, Raiga would be too old by then. There is no evidence. One can assume that Ameryia Ringo was the first one to wield the Kiba twin blade till her death when she passes on to Raiga.

Again look at the time when Obito attack the leafs village, he looks fully grown man, while Kakashi and Gai looks like in their preteens.

 

[Floydical]

Its Raiga, Dude wtf are you smoking.

His hair is dark green hair, that doesn't mean his hair in the manga is dark. Take a look at Karin hair, her hair is black in the manga, but yet in the anime her hair in reddish...

Your argument is flawed, you cannot assume Raiga age presume when Gai was a kid, that doesn't change the fact by the time gai reach 30, Raiga would be too old by then. There is no evidence. One can assume that Ameryia Ringo was the first one to wield the Kiba twin blade till her death when she passes on to Raiga.

Again look at the time when Obito attack the leafs village, he looks fully grown man, while Kakashi and Gai looks like in their preteens.

Preteens? What are you smoking? They are the same age as Obito, and they look it too, at least 14. You can also see that Gai is even younger in the most recent flashback:

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This implies its more than 16 years ago, putting him at about 12 or 13. Since your 'Raiga' is an adult, that puts him at 40+ when fighting Naruto.

I like how people accuse me of things and say things that make no sense at the same time. Ringo was the last person to wield the twin blades because he/she was revived by Kabuto as one of the 'previous 7SM'. This means that your 'Raiga' character had the blades before him/her. After this character died, it was passed to the most recent wielder, Ringo.

As for the hair, Raiga's is dark grey, close to black. How would that not be black in the manga if brown hair, like Yamato's, is black in the manga? Don't go around insulting people if you can't keep your own logic straight.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Preteens? What are you smoking? They are the same age as Obito, and they look it too, at least 14. You can also see that Gai is even younger in the most recent flashback:

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This implies its more than 16 years ago, putting him at about 12 or 13. Since your 'Raiga' is an adult, that puts him at 40+ when fighting Naruto.

I like how people accuse me of things and say things that make no sense at the same time. Ringo was the last person to wield the twin blades because he/she was revived by Kabuto as one of the 'previous 7SM'. This means that your 'Raiga' character had the blades before him/her. After this character died, it was passed to the most recent wielder, Ringo.

As for the hair, Raiga's is dark grey, close to black. How would that not be black in the manga if brown hair, like Yamato's, is black in the manga? Don't go around insulting people if you can't keep your own logic straight.

Hair color doesn't take much effect for the series, I mean nobody doesn't care, from the look of it, it looks exactly like Raiga

Anyway even you solidify a facts to your argument, its still Raiga Kishi doesn't care bout logic, he took that filler character and implemented into manga character just like every plotholes we're recieving in the manga, that's just how it is.

Making this thread is pointless, cause no one care about your points of your argument, nothing will change the outcome, Kishi will keep writing inconsisticies

 

[marijuanna]

Raiga could be 20 when gai was 14-15, and then 35-36 now, by manga standards he could look just the same, just because you didnt like it there's no need to pretend it isnt true, "not Raiga, just someone who looks exactly like him and uses the same sword" come on give us a break. Failed Thread

 

[Floydical]

Hair color doesn't take much effect for the series, I mean nobody doesn't care, from the look of it, it looks exactly like Raiga

Anyway even you solidify a facts to your argument, its still Raiga Kishi doesn't care bout logic, he took that filler character and implemented into manga character just like every plotholes we're recieving in the manga, that's just how it is.

Making this thread is pointless, cause no one care about your points of your argument, nothing will change the outcome, Kishi will keep writing inconsisticies

Your right about the inconsistences, there are a lot of them. I write these kinds of threads because I'm not always satisfied with what is shown in the manga or disagree with other member's points of view. Its a matter of trying to present evidence that I can assemble and discuss the topic with other members.

Raiga could be 20 when gai was 14-15, and then 35-36 now, by manga standards he could look just the same, just because you didnt like it there's no need to pretend it isnt true, "not Raiga, just someone who looks exactly like him and uses the same sword" come on give us a break. Failed Thread

Your missing some of the point of the thread. By showing the flashback of Gai when he was young proves he is older than guy, as you admit. Yes he could be as young as 35 but chances are he was 40+. What that means is that he wielded the swords A LONG TIME AGO. Yet when Kabuto brought the 'most recent 7 swordsman back' Ringo was in the group, not your so called Raiga.

Therefore, by your definition, Raiga should have been brought back by Kabuto since he was the most recent wielder, not Ringo. What this means to me is that not only are the fillers involving Raiga totally non-canon, but so is his character since the events he's involved in are not consistent with the timeline of the manga. From this, I feel that he is most likely a different character entirely who's design Kishi decided to make use of.

 

[awesomeseimei]

Let me point out that Kankuro's hair is white in the manga and dark brown in the anime. Same with several random extras during the war.

Also, I'd say that since it's a cameo, it doesn't matter whether that's supposed to be really Raiga or not. After all, Kishi could use the name and design but change his backstory. Gari and Pakura aren't the same characters since KKGs don't match.

 

[Floydical]

Let me point out that Kankuro's hair is white in the manga and dark brown in the anime. Same with several random extras during the war.

Also, I'd say that since it's a cameo, it doesn't matter whether that's supposed to be really Raiga or not. After all, Kishi could use the name and design but change his backstory. Gari and Pakura aren't the same characters since KKGs don't match.

Aww great point about Kankuro's hair. His hair isn't often shown so I had to check that myself. I find it strange, however, that Yamato's hair is black in the manga (also in your sig) yet his hair in the anime is actually lighter than Kankuro's. That tells me that the anime might make slight changes if they feel it is better. However, that is only part of my argument and the inconsistency in his timeline is the biggest ambiguity.

You are right that it doesn't really matter if its actually Raiga or not, I'm merely presenting evidence that could imply the opposite of what everyone else thinks, and that makes a lot of people consistently mad. You're right that Gari and Pakura's KKG's don't match which is why they are considered different chracters. The reason everyone is assuming its Raiga is because Kishi hasn't told us directly yet if it is him, but if you consider the timeline presented in the manga for this swordsman and compare it to the Anime Raiga, they don't match up.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

About the "hair" thing. . . hmm

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