Obito ( Rinnegan ) vs BM Minato?

[VongolaX]

Continuous tail beast bomb takes off 5 of them off the bat.
They'll be as managed as killer b was when he had hit by his own tbb.

6 bijuus using continuous ttb >>> bm minato's ttb

 

[VongolaX]

I fail to see how they can overwhelm him when he can TBB barrage them, while directing their TBBs back. That will destroy their bodies along with the rods. 6 paths is inferior to a 9 tails jinchuriki. It only takes a ransengan to break the mask and a way to make it hit. FTG is that way to hit.

Gedo statue uses real bijuus

6 bijuus >>> half-kurama chakra

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Gedo statue uses real bijuus

6 bijuus >>> half-kurama chakra

6 bijus<<<<<<Half Kurama that can redirect their TBBs back at them.

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

against 7 tailed beast plus tobi minato loses
without them minato beats tobi again same diff as last time

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato has never shown any feats of shadow clone in bijuu transformation or ftg for that matter.

Like I posted before, show me a scan of him using any of those Justus in bijuu transformation.

Otherwise, chibuku tensei ends this...

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He doesn't need to. Using Shadow Clones in the Avatar is the same as using them out of the avatar unless you can show me why he wouldn't be able to do so.

When you can give a reason he can't use it, I'll reply again, otherwise, don't expect this discussion to continue.

 

[VongolaX]

6 bijus<<<<<<Half Kurama that can redirect their TBBs back at them.

Haha

Now I know I can't take you seriously.

Ya, you're done :|

 

[VongolaX]

He doesn't need to. Using Shadow Clones in the Avatar is the same as using them out of the avatar unless you can show me why he wouldn't be able to do so.

When you can give a reason he can't use it, I'll reply again, otherwise, don't expect this discussion to continue.

Piss poor excuse :|

It's like comparing bee's v1 or v2 to full bijuu transformation Hachibi.

I ask for scan, and I get a pathetic retort.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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First thing I want to point out are the jinjurikis ninjutsu. Ever since Killer Bee showed feats of using his Buijuu's ninjutsu in base form, it confirmed that what ever ninjutsu they used can also be used in Full Buijuu. An example would be ink ninjutsu[

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]. We later see it when Hachibi decide to use Ink Release in a seal form[

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The same can be applied to the other Jins.

Kishimoto pretty much confirmed it in another way:

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2 tails: You either believe she can use the Rat Hairball[

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] without her Buijuu or use common sense that its a technique that came from her Buijuu.

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3 tails: Pre arcs of capturing this Buijuu was confirmed that it was a water-type, thus can use water style[

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]. That fact the water came from the staff[

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] (must be some type of thing produce from 3rd tail via solid coral, assuming) could indicate one of its water jutsu.

4 tails: Databook stated " Roshi was on a trip in order to control the excessive power of Yonbi, which he carries since childhood. At his wandering's end, he understood he could borrow Yonbi's chakra to fuse fire and earth nature into "lava ninjutsu". These torrents of lava melt all things away". And Kisame Manga statement confirms this[

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5 tail: (not much need to be said/wasn't really introduce in the manga)

6 tails: Bubbles in base form (not much need to be said/wasn't really introduce in the manga)

7 tails: Scale camouflage (not much need to be said/wasn't really introduce in the manga)

This page also confirm using V2 cloak compare to Full BM [

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So where am I going with this? Simple. Any jutsu's that was presented during the Edo jinjuriki fight can be use in Full BM. what jutsu we seen in base form and V2, can ALSO be used in FULL Buijuu Mode.

These conditions help alot when they need to use ninjutsu compatible in dealing with Summonings/ other Buijuus.

So what ever argument made of dealing with KCM/Base Minato, can also be used in Full BM Mode for Edo Jins.
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Dealing With Minato's Main Arsenal: FTG.​

These Buijuu's have easy tactics when dealing with this. Since FTG is marked by territory, the simple trick is to use Saiken's Bubble Release spread around its territory FTG marking[

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]. It can be use as landmines or explode by the users will[

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]. Minato teleporting to Kunai's will get hit by the bubbles. The impact were enough to effect KCM Naruto, which force Bee to escape before they took its full effect with multiple of them.

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Saiken alone can play a supporting/defense role. Any teleportation will lead to Bubble Explosion, which works the moment of impact. The results won't kill but leave Minato an a vulnerable state. Minato can sacrifice clones for the Bubble LandMines, but the tactic will only work temporary, as Saiken will simply supply more bubbles, while Minato will wasting BM time.

Jinjuriki Combo​

Each can play different roles here:

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In Matatabi case, she can be sending Hair Ball to track Minato[

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]<-- The scan also shows Yugito supporting her homing jutsu by following the opponent, ready to land a clean attack right after her jutsu[

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] Cat claw can be useful with this combination. Open field benefits Obito with this jutsu. If Minato teleports away from its homing range, BubbleMines are ready for him.

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In Isobu case, he can also play the defensive role, then use Rollout when necessary. BM Rasengan can put out any Buijuu out of commission[

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]. But if Isobu plays it right, he can create the mirror to beat it just like he canonically did to KCM Naruto[

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], repelling back his attacks. He can also use his Rollout for mobility[

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], as he just needs to plant one punch to produce coral[

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]. That was able to immobilize KCM Mode[

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]. BM effect will be effective against BM cloak.

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In Son Goku case, he has shown impressive strength to even swing around the 8 tails[

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], while visually showing the best Taijutsu out of all Buijuu's[

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]. What further supports Goku is the ability to wear Magma armor, to further amp his Taijutsu[

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]. It took Rasengan to strip off the molten armor, which can buy time to counter Minato, while suffering for attempting. Not only that but if Minato stays in his Close Quarter range, he will be damage from Flower Fruit Mountain[

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]. In just V2, the scaling was half way of BM size. Magma Balls can also clear out FTG Kunai's[

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]. Or more pressuring with on Minato and Summoning.

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Kokuō is nearly featless, but has the more physical power out of the Buijuu's. Horn Snap[

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] will take BM or Summonings out of commission with one strike. With the other 6 beast tactics, he can easily make that happen.

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Seiken can also play two more roles with support:

First: Is using his Gas Mist[

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]. It can clear away any attempt Toad Summonings can be useful for in CQC. Only proper jutsus are needed to split its direction of direct contact, something that can act like Morning Peacock[

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Second: Stinky Substance[

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]. The scaling of this substance rivals Summonings/Buijuu. Seikan can easily use it to envelop Minato (if he is not going to teleport BM) or Summoning by spraying them, which will easily entrap them, thus vulnerable to any melee or another long range attack.

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In Chōmei case, she can simply blind Minato or Summonings[

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]. Minato can only use Malice sensing in this condition. His Summonings can get wiped out during this.


Minato get overwhelm with the Buijuu's power together, as a working force. And TBB just makes the battle look easy for Minato even having a chance here, as this jutsu can be easily counter by him. Thus everything else is overlooked

 

[BenjerminGaye]

6 bijuus using continuous ttb >>> bm minato's ttb

Not the case. Minato st barriers it back.

 

[VongolaX]

Not the case. Minato st barriers it back.

Minato using barriers and spamming ttb's at the same time?

what a fan-fict ability...

He would be out of chakra by now...

Besides:

Obito can restrain all of ftg with mokuton

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Or control him with genjustu like he did Yagura:

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Obito's reflexes and intangible speed is still greater than Minato's:

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[BenjerminGaye]

Minato using barriers and spamming ttb at the same time?]

He makes a clone b4 he goes bm. Then the clone does it for him.there's nothing fan fic about it.
Running out of chakra as a jinchuriki? Lol.

Matter of fact is him body flickering past them while bm changes their course and the only way they'd even match kurama's tbb is if 5 of them get to together and charge it.

He could just contract seal their ass. Or blow them to bits.

Restrain ftg? Please explain. Cuz unless the seals themselves get destroyed minato can still use them. And if they're in danger of getting destroyed he just summons it back to him.

Genjutsu? Good luck.

Minato didn't say his reflexes were inferior to obito's stop making stuff up. If it was obito would have never got hit with that rasengan.

And I love how you assume obito has perfect control over all of them. Lol too funny.

 

[VongolaX]

He makes a clone b4 he goes bm. Then the clone does it for him.there's nothing fan fic about it.
Running out of chakra as a jinchuriki? Lol.

Matter of fact is him body flickering past them while bm changes their course and the only way they'd even match kurama's tbb is if 5 of them get to together and charge it.

He could just contract seal their ass. Or blow them to bits.

Restrain ftg? Please explain. Cuz unless the seals themselves get destroyed minato can still use them. And if they're in danger of getting destroyed he just summons it back to him.

Genjutsu? Good luck.

Minato didn't say his reflexes were inferior to obito's stop making stuff up. If it was obito would have never got hit with that rasengan.

And I love how you assume obito has perfect control over all of them. Lol too funny.

1. Naruto ran out of chakra and he needed to recharge for a while (same concept applies to Minato).

2. half power kurama isn't stronger than 6 full bijuus, that is completely stupid.

Naruto used skill to lift the bijuu bomb, instead of charging head on:

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3. Mokuton suppresses and absorbs chakra, if Minato ftg anywhere on ftg he is finished.

4. Genjustu, would destroy him.. :|

He already completely controlled 100% kurama and the Sanbi perfect jinchuuriki.

So if there is anybody who needs luck, it would be Minato inside a genjustu failing to save his wife.

^^Nedd a better arguement

5. Making stuff up?

Why don't you read the scan!

Unless you can't do that either?

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Lol you're too funny, he was perfectly controlling 6 bijuus.

Read what kakashi said!!!

You clearly can't read, and all you do is make up petty assumptions

 

[Uchiha Joe]

Obito takes this mid-high diff. ​

 

[miromiro]

Can't get faster than instant.

Minato was almost sucked at that point, and it was because of Obito's emotions of fighting his teacher and also the first time to use Kamui that he didn't succeed.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

1. Naruto ran out of chakra and he needed to recharge for a while (same concept applies to Minato).

2. half power kurama isn't stronger than 6 full bijuus, that is completely stupid.

Naruto used skill to lift the bijuu bomb, instead of charging head on:

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3. Mokuton suppresses and absorbs chakra, if Minato ftg anywhere on ftg he is finished.

4. Genjustu, would destroy him.. :|

He already completely controlled 100% kurama and the Sanbi perfect jinchuuriki.

So if there is anybody who needs luck, it would be Minato inside a genjustu failing to save his wife.

^^Nedd a better arguement

5. Making stuff up?

Why don't you read the scan!

Unless you can't do that either?

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Lol you're too funny, he was perfectly controlling 6 bijuus.

Read what kakashi said!!!

You clearly can't read, and all you do is make up petty assumptions

Oh gosh, really? Varia, it's becoming more and more obvious you're fanboying Obito.


1. That was the time limit, not chakra loss.

2. It equals 5, and don't give me BS about "Skill." In the scan you showed, Bee clearly stated, "the 9 tails is strong."


Keep denying manga facts why don't you?

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They TBBs were completely equal in size which means they were equal in power. Manga facts. Minato's the only one who can freely use TBBs because of space-time barrier. Of course you're just going to keep on ignoring facts.


3. Controlling the bijus takes up a lot of chakra, he can't spare enough for that. One top of that, Minato isn't limited to a single spot. Obito's not going to be able to trap multiple areas at once.


4. Gee, wounder why if he could do that, why he didn't solo Minato with genjutsu in their encounter, oh wait, Minato didn't fall for it in the first place. Wounder why Obito never suppressed 50% Kurama inside of Naruto, answer, he can't thanks to the fact that they work together. It's not working on Minato.


5. No idea what you're talking about, so I'll sit this one out.


6. Perfectly controlling, but costing an enormous amount of chakra in doing so.

Minato was almost sucked at that point, and it was because of Obito's emotions of fighting his teacher and also the first time to use Kamui that he didn't succeed.

Obito's absorption is not instant. His teleporting is fast, but it's a manga fact it takes longer for him to absorb other people, so it's clear that it's not instant. It won't work.

 

[VongolaX]

Naruto X man;14650512]Oh gosh, really? Varia, it's becoming more and more obvious you're fanboying Obito.


1. That was the time limit, not chakra loss.

There is a time limit for a reason:

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2. It equals 5, and don't give me BS about "Skill." In the scan you showed, Bee clearly stated, "the 9 tails is strong."

Hachibi clearly said that he aimed the bijuudama from below to lift up the ttb.
Don't give me that bs crap about half of kurama's chakra being greater than 6 full bijuus

Keep denying manga facts why don't you?

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Shouldn't have to repeat myself:

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They TBBs were completely equal in size which means they were equal in power. Manga facts. Minato's the only one who can freely use TBBs because of space-time barrier. Of course you're just going to keep on ignoring facts.

Manga facts huh?
alright, where is the scan?

3. Controlling the bijus takes up a lot of chakra, he can't spare enough for that. One top of that, Minato isn't limited to a single spot. Obito's not going to be able to trap multiple areas at once.

Bijuu donation:

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4. Gee, wounder why if he could do that, why he didn't solo Minato with genjutsu in their encounter, oh wait, Minato didn't fall for it in the first place. Wounder why Obito never suppressed 50% Kurama inside of Naruto, answer, he can't thanks to the fact that they work together. It's not working on Minato.

Well, gee how can Obito use genjustu on Minato, when he is using his genjustu to perfectly control the Kyuubi at the same time.
Well, gee Obito is controlling 6 bijuus with eye power alone, how will he ever muster up enough power to control 2 more perfect jinchuuriki's? :|

5. No idea what you're talking about, so I'll sit this one out.

Wasn't posting you i the first place

6. Perfectly controlling, but costing an enormous amount of chakra in doing so.

So what?

Obito's absorption is not instant. His teleporting is fast, but it's a manga fact it takes longer for him to absorb other people, so it's clear that it's not instant. It won't work.

Mokuton suppress chakra, what part of suppress don't you understand?

 

[miromiro]

Obito's absorption is not instant. His teleporting is fast, but it's a manga fact it takes longer for him to absorb other people, so it's clear that it's not instant. It won't work.

The intel isn't specified, so I went with the option of no Intel. And Obito did indeed had a slower absorbing time when he first started using Kamui, when he attacked the Village and was still a kid, than now. Minato has no intel on Kamui, and until Minato realizes what's happening to him, he'll already be in the other dimension.

 

[Avinash012]

The intel isn't specified, so I went with the option of no Intel. And Obito did indeed had a slower absorbing time when he first started using Kamui, when he attacked the Village and was still a kid, than now. Minato has no intel on Kamui, and until Minato realizes what's happening to him, he'll already be in the other dimension.

Nothing suggests that Kamui's sucking speed increased so everything u have been doing is nothing more than an assumption.No intel Minato canonically countered Kamui so it is not going to work on him.

 

[Draphsin]

He still needs to either impale the rod into Minato for him to be able to use the chain the way you are saying he'll use it, and for that he needs to be tangible.

Untrue, the rods bind anything that's touching them, he doesn't need to impale minato because the avatar will already be touching the rod & he'll be bound before he can revert back.

This implies that he has tried to do so and failed.

-He can use clones.

-He can use BM.

-Kurama Avatar can house more than one person (Of course you know this, hence your argument)

So there is no reason he can't use a clone. Unless you are telling me that he can't make clones anymore.

I'm not saying he can't use clones anymore, we've never seen such a feat from minato in BM. BM could be his full power, which means he can't afford to split his chakra up any further, it may restrict his use of BM if he does so. It's like saying edo madara can create 25 mokuton bunshins while in PS. We don't know if either of them can do these things because we don't know if they can maintain clones while using such powerful forms.

Naruto's situation is different because miltiple clones have been in his arsenal since childhood & he's an uzumaki which gives him more chakra to work with from the get go.

Obito is tangible during warping. Minato will notice him warp in but once he goes tangible, his chakra won't be readable. And since he is literally entering Minato's chakra, he is going to feel him when he warps in.

Obito is tangible in his dimension when warping to the real world, so he can't be hit while warping in. Minato won't notice him, I'm assuming you think he'll feel the warp itself but that's untrue, why don't sensor's ever feel the warp? They just feel his chakra disappearing then appearing again, they never notice the wormhole that obito creates beforehand. Obito is completely unreadable until he enters the dimension completely so minato won't feel him until he's there.

The same goes for Minato's clones. Obito doesn't warp in already intangible, once they realize where he is, they will easily be able to see him.

Assuming he can even use clones in conjunction with BM. & I know he doesn't warp in already intangible but during the warp he can't be read or hit. Obviously he can be hit from the dimension because that's where he's teleporting from but minato's clones won't notice obito's presence in the real world until it's too late.

& We can bypass this entire warp controversy completely, obito can just as easily enter the avatar through its foot, no need to warp in he can just travel underground instead. This way there is absolutely no chance that minato & his possible clones can notice him then.

The real Minato controlling the Avatar has to worry about that, a clone doesn't need to worry about that, he can just worry about Obito.

Fair enough but I still don't see minato being able to use clones while in BM.


@EJ: You know how deadly the jins are.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

6 bijuus using continuous ttb >>> bm minato's ttb

The tbbs get flung right back at them via S/T barrier.