Minato not being good in SM is an understatement, as said by Minato himself!

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His weak chakra makes him unable to keep it

Hahahahah. No. Him being able to become a true sage definitely gives him over a 3.5 in stamina as Orochimaru's stamina was that level and wasn't enough. Jiraya had a 5 in stamina, and not only couldn't become a perfect sage, but couldn't enter SM without Ma and Pa. This pretty much guarantees a 5 in stamina for Minato.
 

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The entire SM thing is confusing to me.

Minato has perfect Sage Mode, but takes forever to build the chakra and can't hold it for very long

Meanwhile, Jiraiya has an imperfect sage mode, which still makes no sense to me because he has Ma and Pa gathering the chakra for him. I never understood why they couldn't just keep the right balance for him if they were gathering the chakra. Are they not good at gathering sage chakra either?

And then there's naruto. The guy who never really showed any particular skill in chakra control before then, suddenly masters the technique
 

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The entire SM thing is confusing to me.

Minato has perfect Sage Mode, but takes forever to build the chakra and can't hold it for very long

Meanwhile, Jiraiya has an imperfect sage mode, which still makes no sense to me because he has Ma and Pa gathering the chakra for him. I never understood why they couldn't just keep the right balance for him if they were gathering the chakra. Are they not good at gathering sage chakra either?

And then there's naruto. The guy who never really showed any particular skill in chakra control before then, suddenly masters the technique
What's confusing is kishi contradicts himself, he says Minato takes too long to enter sage mode yet does it in basically an instant. Unless you are blind and don't know how to read manga, the motion lines, plus visual effects of the sage markings appearing, plus the panel order show that Minato was not only moving while gathering senjutsu but gathered it in the same time it took for gaara to build his sand wall.
 

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The entire SM thing is confusing to me.

Minato has perfect Sage Mode, but takes forever to build the chakra and can't hold it for very long

Meanwhile, Jiraiya has an imperfect sage mode, which still makes no sense to me because he has Ma and Pa gathering the chakra for him. I never understood why they couldn't just keep the right balance for him if they were gathering the chakra. Are they not good at gathering sage chakra either?

And then there's naruto. The guy who never really showed any particular skill in chakra control before then, suddenly masters the technique
1. Well Minato said it takes him forever to enter in SM but he did it in seconds, meaning when he said it takes him a long time it was actually a long time compared to his standards seeing as how Minato ended battles in seconds U_U

2. Jiraya had Ma and Pa for infinite SM, Minato could do the same and be a god in SM, but Minato was talking about himself [solo mode] seeing how Minato soloed his battles U_U

3. Naruto must surpass the 4th in every which way to be the best ever U_U
 

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No matter how you look at it and what ass pull explanation is given, minato sage>perv sage. Naruto only beat minato in clones and chakara pool
 

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Simple, he used it in combat, didn't find it effective, ditch it.
This is what I think as well. Minato is a smart guy, he probably felt that it didn't fit him too well given his fighting style. Though he made an acceptance with Madara since regular ninjutsu doesn't work on him.
 

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Kishi is holding him back far too long meaning taking his right arm like 30 chapters ago it still hasn't reform now his left arm I'm hoping he gets his arms back along with the first and second getting those rods taken out everybody is going to be needed against Madara
 

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This is what I think as well. Minato is a smart guy, he probably felt that it didn't fit him too well given his fighting style. Though he made an acceptance with Madara since regular ninjutsu doesn't work on him.

I also think he didn't use it much because it wasn't his style. Think about it, this is a guy who specializes in moving, yet he learned a jutsu that requires him to be open. It's unnatural for him. Despite that, I think he can make use of it quite well if pushed.


For instance, if he needs more power in his attacks, FTG away to his distant marks to enter SM, then FTG back to attack.


"So your Sennin mode isn't your forte eh sensei?"

"That is an understatement"

Minato isn't good at sage mode.

We don't even know what his standard is for "good." They could have been using Hashirama for an example for all we know, but he's definitely better than Jiraya.
 

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1. Well Minato said it takes him forever to enter in SM but he did it in seconds, meaning when he said it takes him a long time it was actually a long time compared to his standards seeing as how Minato ended battles in seconds U_U

2. Jiraya had Ma and Pa for infinite SM, Minato could do the same and be a god in SM, but Minato was talking about himself [solo mode] seeing how Minato soloed his battles U_U

3. Naruto must surpass the 4th in every which way to be the best ever U_U
hhaha "1st: that's right.. for him a time of 2-3-4-5 minutes is a long time for him to fight .. He can finish them in less than 1minute "
 

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"So your Sennin mode isn't your forte eh sensei?"

"That is an understatement"

Minato isn't good at sage mode.
Minato called that "understatement" which he can use it in combat , it is just that he dont find it effective. How come Jiraya being able to be in SM just because Ma and Pa is better than Minato ? If Minato fuse with Ma and Pa his SM will be better than Naruto's since Minato will not have time limit on it .
 

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Simple, he used it in combat, didn't find it effective, ditch it.
Pretty much this in a way. But I think it's more to do with Minato's fighting style, his fights last seconds and he probably felt the opponents he was facing weren't worth the effort.

Of course he would find sage mode effective, that's isn't the issue because he's a perfect sage. It's just outweighing the benefits against the drawbacks. Increased Speed, Strength, Power but time wasted. Or less time wasted but less power (which could drag out fights more if he can't harm opponent).

It all depends on the situation, Minato didn't give a crap about the drawbacks when he insta went Sage Mode on Madara because he's the freaking Sage of 6 paths now. If he was facing someone like Hidan, what need would sage mode be.

His FTG kunai's are what kills platoons in an instant, Sage Mode isn't neeeded for this style of fighting. Only against kage level oppoenents and only the highest tiers of kage would he really need it.
 
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He clearly stated that he isn't good at sage mode, why should we look deeper into it? Manga says this, we gotta deal with it.

Sasuke's not good at genjutsu, yet can break out of tuskyomi. He's has weak genjutsu according to Obito, but uses it well. Same with Minato. Fact, he's a perfect sage. Therefore, if he uses it right, even if it's not for long, he can be a monster. Also Ma and Pa.
 

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He clearly stated that he isn't good at sage mode, why should we look deeper into it? Manga says this, we gotta deal with it.
We must look because people are saying he sucks so his SM is useless but it is not like that . His SM is not like Naruto's but he still can use it to crack strong defences . Some haters saying he cannot use it are ridilicious.
 

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Sasuke's not good at genjutsu, yet can break out of tuskyomi. He's has weak genjutsu according to Obito, but uses it well. Same with Minato. Fact, he's a perfect sage. Therefore, if he uses it right, even if it's not for long, he can be a monster. Also Ma and Pa.
Sasuke broke out of tsukuyomi because he is an uchiha and carries uchiha blood, that is the requirement.

Minato isn't sasuke. Creator of this show clearly stated that minato is not good at sage mode, thus we have to deal with it and stop making assumptions and speculations.
 

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Sasuke's genjutsu was a joke compared to Itachi's. Yet Sasuke's genjutsu was still second to none.

Now we have Minato who's sage mode isn't in the same league as Naruto's but that doesn't mean he's terrible with it. Viz just proved he's used it in battles before.
 
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