Discussing the plot hole of chakra control and Sharingan

[VongolaX]

Funny part is that the uchiha tablet said/wrote down that achieving MS to control the kyuubi causes blindness.

Yet Obito and Madara controlled Kyuubi with 3 tomoe and Obito a perfect jinchuuriki.

 

[rollin]

when you awaken the mangekyou your able to control kurama

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i know it's showing sharingan but he had his mangekyou awakened

 

[Meekz89]

He successfully controlled a Perfect Jinchuriki, Yagura with Genjutsu and he killed Konan with a Genjutsu.

Plus he had the MS, which was said to have the ability to control Kurama anyway.

Let's get to this point. The 4th mizukage May or may not have been a perfect Jinchuriki. Kishimoto never really said yes he was. He always used a maybe. Why??? With obito controlling him that may have been the factor that made him a perfect Jinchuriki.

 

[Da Best Ever]

My point exactly, it must be something to do with the Dojutsu itself rather than just the genjutsu. and "almost" is the word to use but i dont recall Obito casting genjutsu on Yagura unless your refering to edo yagura

well obito did use genjutsu on yagura and killer bee was placed under genjutsu for a slight moment from sasuke's weak sharingan genjutsu

 

[CrystalPad]

well obito did use genjutsu on yagura and killer bee was placed under genjutsu for a slight moment from sasuke's weak sharingan genjutsu

He got out of it within a matter of seconds though

when you awaken the mangekyou your able to control kurama

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i know it's showing sharingan but he had his mangekyou awakened

I could have sworn he had 3t active at the time

Funny part is that the uchiha tablet said/wrote down that achieving MS to control the kyuubi causes blindness.

Yet Obito and Madara controlled Kyuubi with 3 tomoe and Obito a perfect jinchuuriki.

Kishi doesnt really think about what he has previously written lool

nice thread dude i really like it U_U

Thanks

Indeed but still, they aren't immune to them. But i wonder about the one that got controlled with MS:|​

Reffering to jins in edo??

well not exactly.. chakra originated from the juubi but as we have seen many jutsu was developed after by utilising chakra..

He "IS" nature, the sage just discovered what it was . I could be wrong.

Nice thread,this hasn't crossed my mind before.

Now I have something to ponder....

Mabey its like a bear trap,easy to avoid if you see it but if your not watching for it your caught in an instant. Kurama might just be to arrogant to think it won't happen again.

Ive deduced that they may have a weakness to the Sharingan as a dojutsu

 

[esenn1]

obito cast a genjutsu on Kakashi on the other dimension

 

[CrystalPad]

obito cast a genjutsu on Kakashi on the other dimension

Whats your point sir?

 

[esenn1]

Whats your point sir?

i don't have a point

 

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nice thread dude i really like it U_U

Definitely not Smd's alt U_U

 

[CrystalPad]

i don't have a point

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Thanks for sharing i guess?

 

[esenn1]

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Thanks for sharing i guess?

yes, i guess

 

[HENI]

I think Obito had Hashirama's chakra which helped the genjutsu

 

[Cycoresis]

My point exactly, it must be something to do with the Dojutsu itself rather than just the genjutsu. and "almost" is the word to use but i dont recall Obito casting genjutsu on Yagura unless your refering to edo yagura

He controlled Yagura that's why Kisame called Obito the 4th Mizukage...Kabuto wasn't Obito's ally at the time and he wasn't a Sage Mode user sO edo tensei was only available to Orochimaru...who was inside Sasuke so no it wasn't an Edo Yagura

I even Remember Mei saying to sasuke "you akatsuki manipulated the 4th mizukage, trampled all over kirigakure and yet blah blah blah"

So yea the Dude was alive when he was Obito's puppet

 

[CrystalPad]

I think Obito had Hashirama's chakra which helped the genjutsu

Thats a path i didnt think to look into actually, could be right!

 

[CrystalPad]

He controlled Yagura that's why Kisame called Obito the 4th Mizukage...Kabuto wasn't Obito's ally at the time and he wasn't a Sage Mode user sO edo tensei was only available to Orochimaru...who was inside Sasuke so no it wasn't an Edo Yagura

I even Remember Mei saying to sasuke "you akatsuki manipulated the 4th mizukage, trampled all over kirigakure and yet blah blah blah"

So yea the Dude was alive when he was Obito's puppet

Kisame called Obito the 4th?? when was that? and i remember Deidara and Obito tag teaming to take Yagura out.

 

[Cycoresis]

I think Obito had Hashirama's chakra which helped the genjutsu

Does Hashirama Cells equal Hashirama Chakra? :|

 

[Cycoresis]

Kisame called Obito the 4th?? when was that? and i remember Deidara and Obito tag teaming to take Yagura out.

When Obito took off his mask infront of Kisame, Kisame called him the 4th...it's after Pein is defeated I think and Obito is about to go face Konan...I'm sorry I'm too lazy for scans right now

 

[YellowFang]

1- It was mentioned that Sharingan that has awakened Mangekyou has the potential to manipulate Kurama...
2- Both Obito and Madara had MS, that's why they could manipulate it with their Sharingan w/o any significant stress...
3- About how Yagura and Sanbi were controlled is still not revealed so that stays out of topic...

People with exceptional Chakra control aren't easy to be kept in a Genjutsu for long... Ex. Tsukiyomi & KA, these Dojutsu are wholly on different level...

 

[VongolaX]

Let's get to this point. The 4th mizukage May or may not have been a perfect Jinchuriki. Kishimoto never really said yes he was. He always used a maybe. Why??? With obito controlling him that may have been the factor that made him a perfect Jinchuriki.

Viz translation interpreted that Yagura was a perfect jinchuuriki.

Only mangapanda translated Yagura and bee maybe perfect jinchuuriki.

So Kishi, 100% confirmed that he is indeed a perfect jinchuuriki.

 

[VongolaX]

Kisame called Obito the 4th?? when was that? and i remember Deidara and Obito tag teaming to take Yagura out.

Yagura was already dead by that time, they went to take out the jinchuuriki free bijuu.

As soon as Sanbi saw Tobi, he started chasing him down instead of Deidara (who set the bombs).

Looked liked it had some type of tention against him.