[VS] Gai vs Itachi

[DemonicAvenger]

Faster than Itachi on foot or with susnaoo around him? The second is quite obvious. -_-

Faster encompasses reactions as well.​

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What is subjective exactly?

You said he could attack multiple time within seconds. From another point of view, even part 1 Choji could do that from the eye's of a bystander.​

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Are you referring to they're first encounter? That wasn't 7th gate if so.

I meant 6th.​

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[HNIC]

Susanoo doesnt strain his eyes much, he even shwon to use it while blind. Fail.
He also was coughing blood for no reason, oh wait his body was at 3year limit at that time U_U

Rofl so you think that gai would do better, then raikage who is both faster and stronger?
Yep , hirudora is totally harmless lmao. Still no feats to trump susanoo anyhow.

Posted in my reply above.

Bro it's manga fact, even Sasuke mentioned the strain of susnaoo and in regard to Itachi's use of it. Itachi was a walking zombie at the point lol. He'd drop dead seconds later. Using it and trying to keep it active with the pressure from each blow is completely different, which is why I said forcefully deactivating susnaoo with the combination of eye/chakra strain.

The point is Orochimaru bleeds. Point proven.

Ay is faster and stronger than a Gai without gates. Lets not confuse the two

Again with the intent to capture and as someone stated, under water.

I see don't see the sca. Your points are not doing anything talking in circles and I'm bored now

 

[AlphaScythian]

It does strain his chakra, though. Itachi sucks at stamina. He won't be able to maintain it longer than about ten minutes.

What?He abused tsukuyomi, some clones, amaterasu plus sealed on in sasuke, 2 katons.
At his limit he pulled full susanoo and soloed orochimaru with sasuke, he even had to reabuild one.
Susanoo isnt chakra taxing as other techs.
He can take morning peacock and noon tiger, which is about gai's limit.

Bro it's manga fact, even Sasuke mentioned the strain of susnaoo and in regard to Itachi's use of it. Itachi was a walking zombie at the point lol. He'd drop dead seconds later. Using it and trying to keep it active with the pressure from each blow is completely different, which is why I said forcefully deactivating susnaoo with the combination of eye/chakra strain.

Read above. Your statements go against manga. Itachi used susanoo at his chakra limit.

The point is Orochimaru bleeds. Point proven.

But due to punches? Not yet accepted and in no way its comparable to susanoo durability. GEEZ

Ay is faster and stronger than a Gai without gates. Lets not confuse the two

In 6th gate kakashi was keeping up with gai and kisame could read his movements with fish eyes alone U_U.

Again with the intent to capture and as someone stated, under water.

The steam repelled the water. Kisame sustained good damage there was no way of gai knowing that it wouldnt kill him. Kisame went hard on gai so gai wasnt holding back.

I see don't see the sca. Your points are not doing anything talking in circles and I'm bored now

Then read the goddamn thread. Im sick of posting same shit to you and takos.

You have no proof that gai too fast for sharingan, you have no proof that he can brake susanoo.
Yet you insist on speculating.
Get proof then we might talk.

Itachi wins U_U

 

[HNIC]

Not to subtle either - quite irksome.



Interpreting it wrong, because you fail to notice that Gai's movement in 7th Gate was seen by Kisame as well but Itachi just fails? Yeah, I am sure it's not me.

Body-Flicker is Ninjutsu, Gai's gated attacks are not. That is a huge difference itself. Naruto drawing on Kyubi chakra received a massive speed boost as well. The more chakra is supplied for Body Flicker and Raiton Armour the better the Speed Movement, as Ae's reflexes even in V1 are faster than flashes of light because of the armour that itself uses a lot of chakra.

All of this is relevant in this discussion. You ignoring it is becoming tiresome. Kisame noted it, so the rest noted it too. Gated Gai eluding line of sight is fanfiction.

@Takos

Suiton wall and GSB are not even remotely same. The former offers resistance, the latter grows stronger by absorbing Chakra.

When was Kisame reading his movements in 7th gate, remind me please

Body flicker is chakra being focused on one part of the body, nothing magical! They're both based on high speed movements regardless lol. No teleporting or anything.

Again the mechanics for which Ay uses his ration is known and pointless.gates are chakra based, the chakra is luring out, so what's your point ?

What's your point? You're mentioning how Ay uses his ration armor, chakra etc. ok! We've seen when using v2 he'll increase this and his speed to the point that it appears to be a shadow of himself. I've mentioned similarly, when using gates chakra is pushed to the max, to the point that you visually can see it. The users speed is so fast that you too see shadows of their movements.

All you done is talk in circles about body flicker ip which is nothing more than fast enhanced foot speed with chakra

 

[DemonicAvenger]

It's was Kakashi before and now Gai? Do you people wank a new character weekly?​

Don't forget all the Hiruzen wank that sprung up and lasted for a whole 3 days after his newest feat.​

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[HNIC]

What?He abused tsukuyomi, some clones, amaterasu plus sealed on in sasuke, 2 katons.
At his limit he pulled full susanoo and soloed orochimaru with sasuke, he even had to reabuild one.
Susanoo isnt chakra taxing as other techs.
He can take morning peacock and noon tiger, which is about gai's limit.
Read above. Your statements go against manga. Itachi used susanoo at his chakra limit.
But due to punches? Not yet accepted and in no way its comparable to susanoo durability. GEEZ
In 6th gate kakashi was keeping up with gai and kisame could read his movements with fish eyes alone U_U.
The steam repelled the water. Kisame sustained good damage there was no way of gai knowing that it wouldnt kill him. Kisame went hard on gai so gai wasnt holding back.
Then read the goddamn thread. Im sick of posting same shit to you and takos.

You have no proof that gai too fast for sharingan, you have no proof that he can brake susanoo.
Yet you insist on speculating.
Get proof then we might talk.

Itachi wins U_U

No, the statements are valid since they too are from the manga. You thinking Itachi can use susnaoo with no chakra and nearly blind is your own foolishness. We've seen this strain come into play and if you're referring to Edo form too, well I have no need to further address you as I have plenty of others to respond to.

Gai punched Kisame, blood appeared. Points valid. Susnaoo is durable, but it depends on the user and their ability to keep it active. Gai attempted to punch down the same builder as Sakura did in his BASE, BUT THE SEAL PREVENTED IT. Therefore, if Kish felt that was applicable I can assume his strength accompanied with gates can force deactivation after a series of hits.

The rest is pointless

 

[HNIC]

Faster encompasses reactions as well.​

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You said he could attack multiple time within seconds. From another point of view, even part 1 Choji could do that from the eye's of a bystander.​

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I meant 6th.​

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Speed=reaction I'm aware of this.

I don't remember our conversation, what were your points? I see you pointed out susnaoo and tried to claim 360 coverage which isn't the case.

Gai has done this, it's manga fact. No need for hypotheticals of choji

Ok.

 

[Boston Rob]

Itachi wins, hes smarter more skilled.... i mean alot more skilled

 

[shelke]

When was Kisame reading his movements in 7th gate, remind me please

Body flicker is chakra being focused on one part of the body, nothing magical! They're both based on high speed movements regardless lol. No teleporting or anything.

Again the mechanics for which Ay uses his ration is known and pointless.gates are chakra based, the chakra is luring out, so what's your point ?

What's your point? You're mentioning how Ay uses his ration armor, chakra etc. ok! We've seen when using v2 he'll increase this and his speed to the point that it appears to be a shadow of himself. I've mentioned similarly, when using gates chakra is pushed to the max, to the point that you visually can see it. The users speed is so fast that you too see shadows of their movements.

All you done is talk in circles about body flicker ip which is nothing more than fast enhanced foot speed with chakra

- Seriously? Kisame could see all his strike Movement in 6th gate and reacted comfortably for seventh gate's Afternoon Tiger -

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- Gai's strike speed is just as fast as his physical movement. If Kisame could see that and react to it, then all Ninjas can see it.

- What? Lol Gates' attacks are not chakra based, which is why Giant Shark Missile Couldn't absorb Afternoon Tiger. What Chakra was luring out? It's sweat, not chakra -

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- Already gave examples of the large boost Naruto received and 3T noticing flickering high-speed movement as well. Gai doesn't touch V2 Ae - hearsay without any proof but self-made interpretations.

I don't care about your interpretations, pal. Bring out a scan that no one could see him. But guess what? There isn't any.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Speed=reaction I'm aware of this.

It actually doesn't, but that's not the point. You having presented anything to show that Gai, even in gates, would be able to outspeed him.​

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I don't remember our conversation, what were your points? I see you pointed out susnaoo and tried to claim 360 coverage which isn't the case.

The manga and databook have already proven that Yata no Kagami can morph to cover any area.​

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Gai has done this, it's manga fact. No need for hypotheticals of choji

And so has Base Lee. Even though that speed could barely pass as average now.​

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[HNIC]

- Seriously? Kisame could see all his strike Movement in 6th gate and reacted comfortably for seventh gate's Afternoon Tiger -

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- Gai's strike speed is just as fast as his physical movement. If Kisame could see that and react to it, then all Ninjas can see it.

- What? Lol Gates' attacks are not chakra based, which is why Giant Shark Missile Couldn't absorb Afternoon Tiger. What Chakra was luring out? It's sweat, not chakra -

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- Already gave examples of the large boost Naruto received and 3T noticing flickering high-speed movement as well. Gai doesn't touch V2 Ae - hearsay without any proof but self-made interpretations.

I don't care about your interpretations, pal. Bring out a scan that no one could see him. But guess what? There isn't any.

Obviously there is a vast different in power between 6th and 7th gate, the visual colors change for a reason. Kisame didn't react to anything, that was Kish creating a climax with both using their finishing move lol. That's reading movements now?

Chakra' being the aura, not the attack itself. The energy/chakra unleashed is the aura surrounding Gai, you know what I was referring to.

Pointless

You can't prove otherwise, so again pointless. Even when Ay's bodyguard was able to see Ay's speed but was unable to keep him in his line of sight. You're trying to argue that Garra and others were able to keep Gai in their line of sight because he simple commented on his hax speed. I've happened enough from you already

 

[HNIC]

It actually doesn't, but that's not the point. You having presented anything to show that Gai, even in gates, would be able to outspeed him.​

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The manga and databook have already proven that Yata no Kagami can morph to cover any area.​

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And so has Base Lee. Even though that speed could barely pass as average now.​

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It does for Ksih, databook counts reaction speed as speed category. Out speed Itachi? Is that an argument? When Madara himself was able to react to his movements?

Morph to the desired area, not entirely at once. Hence 360

Ok...what's your point? Base lee didn't require Kakashi to remove his eye patch

 

[DemonicAvenger]

It does for Ksih, databook counts reaction speed as speed category. Out speed Itachi? Is that an argument? When Madara himself was able to react to his movements?

Not in the traditional sense. Just because he grouped reactions and movment speed into on category doesn't mean that a characters reactions are superior because their body movements are superior.

Madara being able to react to Gai means Itachi can't? Wut​

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Morph to the desired area, not entirely at once. Hence 360

Are you trying to say that it won't? The only thing Gai has can hurt Susano'O is Hirudora, which he can't use in succession anyway.​

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Ok...what's your point? Base lee didn't require Kakashi to remove his eye patch

So it renders the whole point your trying to base your argument on moot.​

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[shelke]

Obviously there is a vast different in power between 6th and 7th gate, the visual colors change for a reason. Kisame didn't react to anything, that was Kish creating a climax with both using their finishing move lol. That's reading movements now?

Chakra' being the aura, not the attack itself. The energy/chakra unleashed is the aura surrounding Gai, you know what I was referring to.

Pointless

You can't prove otherwise, so again pointless. Even when Ay's bodyguard was able to see Ay's speed but was unable to keep him in his line of sight. You're trying to argue that Garra and others were able to keep Gai in their line of sight because he simple commented on his hax speed. I've happened enough from you already

Lol Wot? He created GSB perfectly after seeing his 7th Gate Strike Movement.

It's Sweat. What a funny guy. Gai says it's sweat but he says it's chakra. If that is not what you are talking about, then it's the fast movement of his physical attacks that creates friction and energy blast. It isn't chakra.

Self-interpretations again. Ae's body-guards couldn't see his high-speed movements at all. They were commenting that no-one can see them. Lol

 

[HNIC]

Not in the traditional sense. Just because he grouped reactions and movment speed into on category doesn't mean that a characters reactions are superior because their body movements are superior.

Madara being able to react to Gai means Itachi can't? Wut​

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Are you trying to say that it won't? The only thing Gai has can hurt Susano'O is Hirudora, which he can't use in succession anyway.​

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So it renders the whole point your trying to base your argument on moot.​

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Madara didn't react to Gai's speed, if you look at the scan that's more than obvious. If that's wasn't the case I wouldn't have mentioned this.

Are you trying to tell me a shield would expand to shield susnaoo entirely? It morphs to the offensive attack and counters, not covering the entire susnaoo -_-

How so? Rock lee in 5th forcing Kakashi to use sharingan in comparison to 7th where Madara couldn't react.

 

[HNIC]

Lol Wot? He created GSB perfectly after seeing his 7th Gate Strike Movement.

It's Sweat. What a funny guy. Gai says it's sweat but he says it's chakra. If that is not what you are talking about, then it's the fast movement of his physical attacks that creates friction and energy blast. It isn't chakra.

Self-interpretations again. Ae's body-guards couldn't see his high-speed movements at all. They were commenting that no-one can see them. Lol

For a climax purposes, what aren't you getting?

Energy chambers which open are similar to chakra.

They were commenting on what they were observing in that particular setting, no self-interpreting that's factual. Similar to Garra, yet you argue they were having him in line of sight lol

 

[shelke]

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- Invalid just because you state so? Manga shows he reacted, so he reacted. I don't care whether you agree or disagree.

- So now it's similar to chakra, but first it was chakra?

- No, they are is elite body-guards. They saw him charge and blitz Juugo a few times. Sasuke focused his eyes on him, when he was standing still, this is when Chee's monologue was shown. It didn't even go down remotely as you stated.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Madara didn't react to Gai's speed, if you look at the scan that's more than obvious. If that's wasn't the case I wouldn't have mentioned this.

Madara and Gai had two exchanges. I would love for you to tell where in either of these that Madara didn't react.
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Are you trying to tell me a shield would expand to shield susnaoo entirely? It morphs to the offensive attack and counters, not covering the entire susnaoo -_-

If Gai attacks a point on Susano'O; then Yata no Kagami will extend to block it. Even if you interpret its hype and feats right, it still blocks Hirudora. (Yata is mountain - city level)​

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How so? Rock lee in 5th forcing Kakashi to use sharingan in comparison to 7th where Madara couldn't react.

Because you said that Gai being able to use teleport like movements was the reason that Itachi wouldn't be able to keep up. Which that act of speed was already accomplished by a much lesser character.

Mentioning Kakashi having to use Sharingan is pointless as well. He's far faster now and your point isn't backed up by Kakashi using Sharingan at all.​

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[enditallsin]

You don't have't to restrict anything gai would still **** his shit up.

 

[HNIC]

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- Invalid just because you state so? Manga shows he reacted, so he reacted. I don't care whether you agree or disagree.

- So now it's similar to chakra, but first it was chakra?

- No, they are is elite body-guards. They saw him charge and blitz Juugo a few times. Sasuke focused his eyes on him, when he was standing still, this is when Chee's monologue was shown. It didn't even go down remotely as you stated.

No, because that's exactly what it was. It shows no visible reaction point, simply them performing their final jutsu, you're pushing the reaction, which isn't proven and quite pointless considering the content

Simply considering how gates were explained in part 1 in the Lee/Garra fight, I recall chakra being mentioned, but it's energy chambers. If you read though the series, spiritual energy and chakra goes through similar states.

They commented on his speed. Period