[VS] Gai vs Itachi

[HNIC]

I don't think it is. Data book states that Sasuke's Foot-Speed is godly as well. I suppose we should all agree then that he matches Jin-Madara and completely outruns Amaterasu. This is a hyerbolic statement. Why do all you people take everything literally? It means Gai's too fast. No one is denying it, but him out-speeding Amaterasu's Spawn point at V2 Ae's level? I would need proof for this, NOT interpretations, which is all you're offering.

Able to see movements means, he isn't eluding anyone's line-of-sight, which means, he isn't eluding Amaterasu or Genjutsu. What does it have anything to do with Minato?

Common sense or your own interpretation? Give me a break. You have nothing to back this up that Gai's escapes an MS's users line-of-sight. Can I see proof that no one could see him?

@Takos

So back to how you usually play things: "Absence of Evidence is not the Evidence of Absence"? Gaara couldn't see his movement where? I would need a statement from Gaara, anyone. Until then, you have no proof on this.

Well oddly enough he did outrun Amaterasu lol. So, yeah about that..

Who was talking about Amaterasu? I never mentioned that, though this would equivalent to that.

No, being able to see movements can simply be a spec appearing. As the manga shown, when using gates the user seems to be at multiple locations at once. This is as if he's teleported in different locations, that's what Kish shows. Similarly when Ay used v2 he had a shadow appear!!!! The only other time we've seen with is with gates!

 

[AlphaScythian]

Gai had 7th gate longer than that against Kisame,

Morning peacock or tiger was all he did. Doesnt look like minutes to me.

The force behind each blow would arguably break susnaoo or force Itachi to deactivate

As already said he doesnt have feat to brake it, in 6th gate he failed to kill kisama or inflict any impressive damage to be enough for susanoo, not only that but kisame could read his movements.

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Sharingan? What makes you say that? madaraa? That's sage mode sensing and enhancements. Can't say for certain the sharingan alone has that ability here

Maybe the fact that Obito reacted to his sneack attack with his sensing alone?
No proof of otherwise either.

So, scaring Rikudo Madara more than 5 kage together were able to against Edo Madara implies that "mere" Itachi (pardon me for saying that, but you need to admit he's close to nothing next to Madara) can react to Guy's movements without problems?

I dont know why madara pissed himself but gai has nothing on juubi jin, onmyoudon shielding negates taijutsu, TBBs kill, flying out of reach, barriers, immense vitality, far beyond anything gai can possibly dish out U_U. Lets not use dumb hype.

EVEN if we assume Sharingan manages to keep up with such immense speed, it doesn't mean Itachi is capable of reacting to it on time. Susanoo is not Kamui's intangibility - it is not automatic. Itachi needs to notice Guy behind his back and then rotate his Susanoo, which is also related with movement - a category in which neither Itachi nor his Susanoo can compete with gated Guy.

Who said intangibility is automatic? Any scan or proof?
Susanoo was fast enough for kirin, it was also regarded to be fast.
Gai still has no feat to brake susanoo FFS.

Get your facts facts U_U

 

[Takos]

A what proof do you have that? As i already mentioned Gai hasnt displayed anything above sharingan precog abilities.

30 sec are from general observation, he doesnt last much with it, he throws one or two moves at best U_U.

Let me see, did obito already reacted to gai in gates? What proof he's too fast for sharingan? Speculation?

Obito was able to fend off base Guy and even against him he wasn't able to Kamui him successfully, even though he tried. He wouldn't be able to even think about deactivating phasing if Guy used 7th gate. The only reason he didn't do so is because he knew it still wouldn't work on Obito and he would have exhausted himself pointlessly. Which doesn't change the fact that Obito wouldn't be able to do anything about it apart from staying intangible for the whole duration.

If you're talking about the situation when Guy and Kakashi saved Naruto, then you need to remember the two were not on the battlefield initially. They arrived there after travelling from a distant place. This means Obito could have spotted them when they were still a distance long enough for him to react. Plus Kakashi arrived with him, which excludes the possibility of Guy being at full speed back then.

 

[HNIC]

Yata no Kagami automatically molds itself to block attacks from any direction. The databook's description of the Shield backs this up as well. Although its durability hype is misinterpreted by nearly everyone.

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Look at that scan more carefully, we see the figure inside susnaoo leaning forward to block that attack, which is Itachi's frontal area. This was a straightforward attack. Now considering we've seen gate users movement appear so fast that it looks like there in multiple locations, Gai has the ability to punch around the entire susnaoo in seconds repeatedly

 

[Takos]

Look at that scan more carefully, we see the figure inside susnaoo leaning forward to block that attack, which is Itachi's frontal area. This was a straightforward attack. Now considering we've seen gate users movement appear so fast that it looks like there in multiple locations, Gai has the ability to punch around the entire susnaoo in seconds repeatedly

This. In 7 gates Guy could land hits from every direction in a time period of a second or less.

 

[HNIC]

Morning peacock or tiger was all he did. Doesnt look like minutes to me.

As already said he doesnt have feat to brake it, in 6th gate he failed to kill kisama or inflict any impressive damage to be enough for susanoo, not only that but kisame could read his movements.

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Maybe the fact that Obito reacted to his sneack attack with his sensing alone?
No proof of otherwise either.

He traveled to Kisame in the 7th gate and was in the 7th gate after his defeat. This is about how long he can be in 7th gate.

6th gate is blue or green chakra? H ok. Gai didn't even have an aura around him. Kisame had blood flying out if his mouth, not even Tsunade's punches forced oro to bleed, Ay's slap didn't force Sasuke to bleed, etc. so, trying to determine his strike in a weaker gate with wounds appearing it pointless.


Obito? Scan of what you're talking about now please.

 

[shelke]

Well oddly enough he did outrun Amaterasu lol. So, yeah about that..

Who was talking about Amaterasu? I never mentioned that, though this would equivalent to that.

No, being able to see movements can simply be a spec appearing. As the manga shown, when using gates the user seems to be at multiple locations at once. This is as if he's teleported in different locations, that's what Kish shows. Similarly when Ay used v2 he had a shadow appear!!!! The only other time we've seen with is with gates!

It never spawned on him and Itachi was never seriously considering about doing so. Not a relevant point.

That was body-flicker, something Gai never uses. No, it was a high-speed movement of Gai, something similar to what Sasuke saw with his 3T with V-0 Tails Naruto. V2 Ae injects Bijuu level Chakra for that cloak, I would require a single scan on this that Gai can even accomplish a spec of that. That V2 Cloak is so taxing that to last longer against Madara, Ae never used it, he only used V1 and to increase his speed, he relied on Onoki to lighten him. Don't slight V2 Ae.

@Takos

GSB is just a bunch of water, it has no strength behind it whatsoever, as its strength lies in Draining the user of its chakra and that's it. Still doesn't help that Kisame got hit and was intact. I would love to see Afternoon Tiger break V2 even, let alone V4 - when V3 was paralleled with BM not long ago.

 

[Takos]

He traveled to Kisame in the 7th gate and was in the 7th gate after his defeat. This is about how long he can be in 7th gate.

6th gate is blue or green chakra? H ok. Gai didn't even have an aura around him. Kisame had blood flying out if his mouth, not even Tsunade's punches forced oro to bleed, Ay's slap didn't force Sasuke to bleed, etc. so, trying to determine his strike in a weaker gate with wounds appearing it pointless.


Obito? Scan of what you're talking about now please.

Guy's "aura" is green when he's 6th gated.
Blue when he's 7th gated.
Presumably red when he is 8th gated.

GSB is just a bunch of water, it has no strength behind it whatsoever, as its strength lies in Draining the user of its chakra and that's it. Still doesn't help that Kisame got hit and was intact. I would love to see Afternoon Tiger break V2 even, let alone V4 - when V3 was paralleled with BM not long ago.

It is a bunch of water, but water also provides resistance. Real-life example - try throwing a stone through a waterfall and check if its trajectory was unaltered.
Narutoverse example - suiton wall.
And in GSB case it was not a stationary water mass, but it was fired in the direction opposite to Hirudora. Which increased the resistance even more.

 

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Gai blitzes.

 

[Brooks]

It's was Kakashi before and now Gai? Do you people wank a new character weekly?​

 

[HNIC]

It never spawned on him and Itachi was never seriously considering about doing so. Not a relevant point.

That was body-flicker, something Gai never uses. No, it was a high-speed movement of Gai, something similar to what Sasuke saw with his 3T with V-out Tails Naruto. V2 Ae injects Bijuu level Chakra for that cloak, I would require a single scan on this that Gai can even accomplish a spec of that. That V2 Cloak is so taxing that to last longer against Madara, Ae never used it, he only used V1 and to increase his speed, he relied on Onoki to lighten him. Don't slight V2 Ae.

@Takos

GSB is just a bunch of water, it has no strength behind it whatsoever, as its strength lies in Draining the user of its chakra and that's it. Still doesn't help that Kisame got hit and was intact. I would love to see Afternoon Tiger break V2 even, let alone V4 - when V3 was paralleled with BM not long ago.

You mentioned it, I'm just stating what the manga panels show. Your interpreting in is irrelevant

Are you slow? Whether it was body flicker or not, the visuals are still the same!!!!!! Ay charged his chakra, and used his reflexes to avoid Amaterasu, which it was foot speed or body flicker (the same). gate users have shown the same illustration.

The mechanics behind Ay's movements are irrelevant

Body flicker is nothing more than high speed movement, so what's your point?

 

[AlphaScythian]

He traveled to Kisame in the 7th gate and was in the 7th gate after his defeat. This is about how long he can be in 7th gate.

That wasnt a long fight anyhow you look at it, he used 2 moves only. Give it a minute i guess, not enough to outlast itachi.

6th gate is blue or green chakra? H ok. Gai didn't even have an aura around him. Kisame had blood flying out if his mouth, not even Tsunade's punches forced oro to bleed, Ay's slap didn't force Sasuke to bleed, etc. so, trying to determine his strike in a weaker gate with wounds appearing it pointless.

Oro isnt human, Sasuke had susanoo. Bad examples.

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7TH gate punch didnt end kisame, as we all know U_U. He cant, cant brake susanoo, dont speculate.

Obito? Scan of what you're talking about now please.

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Lmfao. I'm weak.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Look at that scan more carefully, we see the figure inside susnaoo leaning forward to block that attack, which is Itachi's frontal area. This was a straightforward attack. Now considering we've seen gate users movement appear so fast that it looks like there in multiple locations, Gai has the ability to punch around the entire susnaoo in seconds repeatedly

That's subjective to the scan. (Not to mention that Naruto characters are all at least Hypersonic lol)

You have to give some type of proof that he's all much faster than Itachi. Kisame was able to create coherent thoughts in between Gai's attacks and was able to recognize them and even react to them even though Gai was using the 7th Gate.

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was the shield before it augmented itself to change shape. To small to "duck into".​

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[Touken]

His Hirudora or his punch weren't intended to kill Kisame. On top of that, his Hirudora was done underwater, and it's harder to concentrate air pressure while underwater.

 

[HNIC]

That wasnt a long fight anyhow you look at it, he used 2 moves only. Give it a minute i guess, not enough to outlast itachi.

Oro isnt human, Sasuke had susanoo. Bad examples.

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7TH gate punch didnt end kisame, as we all know U_U. He cant, cant brake susanoo, dont speculate.

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That's long enough to serve a pounding to Itachi, especially with his eye strain.

Orochimaru has bled, he coughed up blood and bled when fighting the kyuubi, Sasuke was still slapped, his face was hit, so the points are valid.


Lol Gai wasn't trying to kill Kisame, he wanted him alive for get answers. You're making this too easy now.

I don't see the Obito scan

 

[HNIC]

That's subjective to the scan. (Not to mention that Naruto characters are all at least Hypersonic lol)

You have to give some type of proof that he's all much faster than Itachi. Kisame was able to create coherent thoughts in between Gai's attacks and was able to recognize them and even react to them even though Gai was using the 7th Gate.

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was the shield before it augmented itself to change shape. To small to "duck into".​

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Faster than Itachi on foot or with susnaoo around him? The second is quite obvious. -_-

What is subjective exactly?

Are you referring to they're first encounter? That wasn't 7th gate if so.

 

[shelke]

It's was Kakashi before and now Gai? Do you people wank a new character weekly?​

Not to subtle either - quite irksome.

You mentioned it, I'm just stating what the manga panels show. Your interpreting in is irrelevant

Are you slow? Whether it was body flicker or not, the visuals are still the same!!!!!! Ay charged his chakra, and used his reflexes to avoid Amaterasu, which it was foot speed or body flicker (the same). gate users have shown the same illustration.

The mechanics behind Ay's movements are irrelevant

Body flicker is nothing more than high speed movement, so what's your point?

Interpreting it wrong, because you fail to notice that Gai's movement in 7th Gate was seen by Kisame as well but Itachi just fails? Yeah, I am sure it's not me.

Body-Flicker is Ninjutsu, Gai's gated attacks are not. That is a huge difference itself. Naruto drawing on Kyubi chakra received a massive speed boost as well. The more chakra is supplied for Body Flicker and Raiton Armour the better the Speed Movement, as Ae's reflexes even in V1 are faster than flashes of light because of the armour that itself uses a lot of chakra.

All of this is relevant in this discussion. You ignoring it is becoming tiresome. Kisame noted it, so the rest noted it too. Gated Gai eluding line of sight is fanfiction.

@Takos

Suiton wall and GSB are not even remotely same. The former offers resistance, the latter grows stronger by absorbing Chakra.

 

[AlphaScythian]

That's long enough to serve a pounding to Itachi, especially with his eye strain.

Susanoo doesnt strain his eyes much, he even shown to use it while blind. Fail.

Orochimaru has bled, he coughed up blood and bled when fighting the kyuubi, Sasuke was still slapped, his face was hit, so the points are valid.

He also was coughing blood for no reason, oh wait his body was at 3year limit at that time U_U

Rofl so you think that gai would do better, then raikage who is both faster and stronger?

Lol Gai wasn't trying to kill Kisame, he wanted him alive for get answers. You're making this too easy now.

Yep , hirudora is totally harmless lmao. Still no feats to trump susanoo anyhow.

I don't see the Obito scan

Posted in my reply above.

 

[Takos]

Suiton wall and GSB are not even remotely same. The former offers resistance, the latter grows stronger by absorbing Chakra.

Sure, but you can't deny that it provided resistance after all.

Susanoo doesnt strain his eyes much, he even shwon to use it while blind. Fail.

It does strain his chakra, though. Itachi sucks at stamina. He won't be able to maintain it longer than about ten minutes.

Rofl so you think that gai would do better, then raikage who is both faster and stronger?
Yep , hirudora is totally harmless lmao. Still no feats to trump susanoo anyhow.

I see you're assuming Raikage is faster based on his self-hype, which I don't agree with, but oh well. Gaara, who saw Raikage fight and didn't give a damn, wondered if Guy's movements are human at all. Madara, who was unphased with Raikage's speed as an edo, was shocked by Guy cutting the initial distance so fast. That's some solid basis to believe Guy is faster.
But where the heck did you get that "Raikage is stronger" part?