DSM Kabuto VS EMS Sasuke
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Yes, it becomes a stomp match up. PS on its own is already too much for Kabuto to handle let alone Enton Kagutsuchi on the level of PS.After that, it becomes a stomp match up right
lmao, I see......My point still stands though. Those were against foes far stronger than Kabuto. He didn't even get time to use it.
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Temari blocked Sound Genjutsu by swinging her fan and blowing the sound waves back. PS Sword Slash will give the same results.
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1.) Not really, as it still has flaws hitting smaller targets accurately.
2.) Depending Location can help Kabuto via Muki Tensei.
3.) Manda II can buy off time facing it (which you aren't making an accurate scaling from). While Kabuto can use his options of using techniques that can bypass Susanoo.
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sasuke destroys kabuto if he has killing intent.
sasuke can fire enton from his hands that have the same AOE as a rasenshuriken(bottom right panel).
if kabuto uses rebirth, his body will spawn inside a sea of flames.
sasuke can fire enton from his hands that have the same AOE as a rasenshuriken(bottom right panel).
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if kabuto uses rebirth, his body will spawn inside a sea of flames.
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No, it doesn't. It swung its blade once and Hashirama managed to evade, once. Not to mention someone who can keep pace with a man who can blitz SM Naruto is far faster than Kabuto by feats. So irrelevant point.
Muki Tensei is useless here.
-Nothing he animates will be strong enough to restrain Susanoo.
-Nothing he animates will be strong enough to destroy it.
PS bisects Manda II with little effort, regardless of its size. It doesn't have the feats to even stand against PS.
Then there is this. Sasuke even stands a good chance of winning without PS.
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It swung its blade multiple of times. The panel in the middle shows off screen explosive traveling[
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], and Hashirama running away. Which then Madara resulted in using TBB with the Sussanoo SwordIt was confirmed twice on how he needs to swing his blade against smaller opponents, the shock wave is a bonus.[
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].The Viz even stated that Madara use PS on the Gokages again[
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] I don't see how Madara blitz SM have to do with PS either. irrelevant point?
Like I said location advantage. Lets say in a Gokage vs Edo Madara. Kabuto can animate the Sand to sink him in.
Nothing in Kabuto's arsenal can destroy PS. Destroying isnt the only way of defeating it.
1.It has more mobility feats then Sussanoo. And faster then PS. PS needs a compatible summoning to gain good mobility.
2.Manda II has far better senses then Madara using PS.
3. Kabuto can even buff Manda II if you personally dont believe his weight will be enough.
4. You don't need to be powerful to stop a sword swing, as long you stop the velocity of the weapon, swung.
Um right. I already know you don't believe Kabuto will be getting hit by Enton, when he already dodged one of Sasukes fastest jutsu. Not only that but Oral Rebirth is not even the only options.
He can also
1. Shed it off with his body fluid
2. Block its chakra with Kidomaru's body fluid.
So even then you can walk or jump out of it, if it even lands on him
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Wrong. He swung it once resulting in that one dust cloud, and Hashirama ran.
He'd still die regardless of how he swung the blade as Kabuto doesn't have the feats to evade something of that size and speed.
Alright? Not seeing your point here.
You said that it had trouble hitting smaller targets, but that's only cause Hashirama was able to evade once. He is faster than Kabuto, so using that as evidence is obviously flawed.
He isn't going to sink a construct as big as PS before dying.
-Slower than PS's movement is irrelevant, and it has no feats to show that its faster than its striking speed.
-Bold is irrelevant, it doesn't need mobility to kill Manda II.
Irrelevant. It still gets chopped in half. Its senses won't stop that.
Not sure what you are talking about here.
You still need sufficient strength to do so.
Dodging an arrow isn't the same as dodging something that moves as fast as FRS (Slower than an arrow) but with an AoE much larger than that of an arrow.
If he's in a giant flame as big as that one, he isn't going to shed anything off, he'll just get burnt and killed.
Armor of Sticky Gold is only a temporary defense. So when it falls off, he dies. That's also assuming he gets time to use Souma no Jutsu and then use Kidomaru's abilities.
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There is no way that can happen judging by the scans.
1.[
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]This is the second swing from Madara, to counter what Hashirama blocked.3. The scan I provided, Hashirama took advantage of the area being trashed as platforms[
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] from its second slash (P.S. Which part 1 Kabuto was very skilled as using environment camo[
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]). This is all WHILE Hashirama decided to move closer to the shore. The middle panel shows Madara stating that he will not let him escape. The middle panel also provides a different location via Hashirama moving closer to the shore. There is no way the second slash will still be shown in a different location. Whatever speed you think Kabuto lacks is still supported with his perceptual ability.
The Gokages, low stamina and chakra were still able to avoid being destroyed by the swing of PS slash, after witnessing Moukton spam with PS slash (via the results off screen)
Read above, overall
Assuming he will dies before making another counter advantage.
Maneuver underwater faster then any animal known to swim (moving on land is faster)[
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]Snakes summons are commonly shown to out maneuver attack[
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]Whats PS speed feat with its swing?
Yes it will. Manda I was shown to detect Bunta swing and blocked it before it can harm him[
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]. Manda I was compatible with Bunta's size. Manda II being far over Manda I in senses and stronger, while also being compatible with PS in size (bigger though) will result the same fate.Kabuto can manipulate his snakes by welding hand signs[
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]Kabuto will do the same to Manda II[
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]Manda II as sufficient strength and can be buffed.
Do I even need to counter this part?
I dont even believe you were thinking straight with both claims as FRS being faster then arrow and Enton having an AoE larger then Arrow, when the AoE comes from igniting the opponent.
First off read the scans in context. Enton stared out as spheres darts. The size of the flame is only in side by its target that was ignited. This is how big the target was[
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] So what if its temporal, it is shed off, thus successfully shedding of the flames.... when it falls off the flames fall off.
Assuming what? That I should be arguing of Kabuto using both Sage Art first in a open area. Have a conversation, get an answer, then begin to to active the Sound 5 jutsus, like he did canonically?
How so?
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so you are comparing bunta's strength to PS? scans showing bunta slicing mountains with just a shock wave?
this fight is ended with a bijuu sized amaterasu
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1. kabuto has no feats to suggest he can dodge something of this size
2. he can't shed a flame of this magnitude.
3. this would make one legendary kirin if he did escape
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1. You obviously not read, or taking it out of context. I stated Manda I is compatible to Bunta, which enable him to block the swing of Bunta weapon. Manda II is compatible to PS size, which enbale him to be big enough to block the swing from the weapon.
2. Ammy lights by its line of sight. Meaning if its Buijuu/ summoning Size, the flames will go by what you just post. If its a human, then it will canonically be what was shown to the size of in the manga against Danzo and Ay/Samurai.
3. This confirms it and Itachi burning Sasuke's Fireball confirms this.
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The second slash you posted is irrelevant as it isn't even aimed to hit Hashirama in the first place. He didn't do anything to evade it because it wasn't coming for him. Hashirama ran from the third slash. Not the second one.
-PS swings its blade here.
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-After it has cut through his constructs and those Mountains, he starts running.
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-A panel or two later, the third slash occurs. Hence the large dust cloud.
Then he resorts to Bijuu Dama.
Uh, no, it isn't. Not unless you can prove it with feats.
This is just speculation.
Proves nothing.
He will as he can't evade a slash nor can he hinder Madara in the slightest.
The first point is speculation, and the rest don't let it evade PS slash.
It doesn't even need speed feats. Manda's size makes it an easy target for the blade. He swings his blade and the shockwave bisects Manda II with little difficulty. Unless it has the speed feats to evade a shockwave that travels across a Mountain Range and then some in a split second. Which it doesn't.
Manda II isn't bigger than PS. Don't know where this nonsense came from. Regardless you have no strength feats to say it can block PS's attack. Bunta and Manda I are not evidence unless you can prove the jump in physical power from Bunta to PS and Manda I to Manda II is proportional, which you can't do.
You'd also have to prove that size was the only factor in blocking that, but of course that is false.
If Manda II tries this foolish strategy, it gets bisected.
Those snakes are connected to his body. Manda II isn't. Nor is there any evidence that he can do this for all his snakes. So once again, all you have is shaky evidence. No point here.
Feats disagree.
I don't think you were thinking straight when you read this post as I CLEARLY said FRS is slower than the arrow.
But I'm not going to bother with the rest. I'll focus on my main point.
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By feats kabuto wins.
He dodges sasuke's attacks. His bests sasuke's elemental jutsu.
Worst of all, unlike itachi, sasuke was completely immobile during white rage. Without itachi, nothing stops kabuto from killing him during white rage.
In a cave kabuto most likely takes this. Outside a cave sasuke most likely does.
He dodges sasuke's attacks. His bests sasuke's elemental jutsu.
Worst of all, unlike itachi, sasuke was completely immobile during white rage. Without itachi, nothing stops kabuto from killing him during white rage.
In a cave kabuto most likely takes this. Outside a cave sasuke most likely does.
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So basically you are agreeing with me.. And your statement here
is false since Hashirama did encounter a third slash.
What feats do you need, its the shockwave swung that travels faster then the actual sword swung.
1. Hashirama was able to wield a hand sign when the sword was swung already
2. Tsuade already tried to gather chakra, who also wield hand signs, when the sword was swung down at them. Some Gokages weren't ready to give up[
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]Wheres the speculation?
Viz clarifies
Mei:"How's this possible?!"
Madara:"Don't you get it? Your ridiculously juvenile jutsu can't hold me."
Mei SFX: RRRK RRRK
Madara:"Now... The perfect Susano'o... Everyone who sees it dies... Or so they say.
I'm almost embarassed to have to do this again... I already used it once, but..."
2.) Everyone chakra and stamina was done at that point. (Except Tsunade). Ay couldn't even use Lightening Armor, which of course he can dodge with it.
3.) The ending results shows only Tsunade, being squashed Mokuton, while the others, she stated are separated from her location.[
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].Nothing here is speculation. The only thing that will be speculation is how the fight went exactly. But I am not stating this. I am taking Madara's own words and the ending results that Kishimoto showed. Madara stated using PS again. PS feats must be applied here. Tsuande was smashed by Mokuton, therefore Mokuton was applied used.
Right....
Every character shown encountering it did.
How is that speculation? What land animal moves faster on water?
Manda II size means nothing as Kabuto drug this being to counterpart/better then the original Manda. Far better senses will be detected and easily maneuver most of its body underground to avoid a lethal hit
Or maybe you don't understand how big Manda II is?
Turtle Island Spikes compare to humans[
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]Turtle Island Spikes compare to Buijuu (study enough to hold the weight of Buijuu) [
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]Turtle Island Spikes, roaming by Manda II, half of its body [
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]What makes PS comparable to an island, that can hold multiple full Buijuu, by its scaling.
Can you even prove Manda II is superior Manda I?
I dont see how can I change a bias opinion into a unbias opinion.
All of this comes with common sense. Moukton isn't able to produce shockwaves like PS can but it is very useful in blocking the the path. And I know you don't believe the jaws of wood dragon is more powerful then Manda II[
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Here we go again.. Your doing this again. Once again THOSE snakes, called Hidden Snakes aren't being connected to the user body. They are able to unleash through their user body, explained by Kishimoto. They are not actually inside the users, waiting to be used.
[
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].Before I even have another argument of Kabuto being the "snakes"
You were right. But..
As long you understood that his whole premise wasn't good to begin with
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