To the people that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

[Lightslayer]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

Like i said, if it was his teleportation technique, there would be no reason for the difference of the intangability or the teleportation, let alone the speed difference between the intagiblity or teleportation. if it was the same thing, why would he not just instant teleport rather than get attacked by madara while trying to teleport? teleportation is not instant, intagible is. When he is intangible, its like his aura is still in the main world, which is being visually seen by anyone in the real dimension, but his physical body resides in the other dimension, this is the weakness. if it was teleportation, both his non physical (spirit or w/e u want to call it) and physical self would be sent to the dimension when he becomes intangible, which it doesn't.

Wow. Teleportation can be faster. When both Obito and kakashi did it. He teleported to fast for Mardara. Just admit that he can teleport small sections of his body faster then his whole body ( its like a glass of water going through a drain compared to an entire sink)

 

[novacore]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

Wow. Teleportation can be faster. When both Obito and kakashi did it. He teleported to fast for Mardara. Just admit that he can teleport small sections of his body faster then his whole body ( its like a glass of water going through a drain compared to an entire sink)

i wish that was the case, and it would be a simpler way of thinking about it and i totally understand that point of view, since i was thinking the same way not too long ago. He is a master of this skill by now. He has transported many things, people, objects, large objects and it always seems to take some kind of time to transport. You see the swirl pattern every time he teleports, you never see him fully teleport when he phases. You dont see the swirl when he phases. It just happens. It is a different tech, with similar traits that appear as a weakness when his physical self is in the other dimension.

 

[novacore]

Yes,yes it is and its that very weakness that makes this teleportation/warping not phasing/slipping through solid matter.

Although it seems you are commited to your frame of thought and assumption on this

Same to you.

 

[6PathsofKami]

Sorry but this don't prove shit, Obito can't use long range Kamui and Kakashi teleports by projecting kamui right on himself.

 

[Lightslayer]

So your saying that he is phasing through objects, but the very definition of phasing is when an object phases through a barrier that it would not normally pass through. Have you seen the movie "Race to Witch Mountain" and the part were the alien nor changes his molecular structure so that he slips (phases) through the car. That my friend is phasing.

Obito is not phasing, it is still teleportation. I'll agree that it is a different, but it is more of a subconscious ability, much like Gara's sand protecting him.

 

[novacore]

Sorry but this don't prove shit, Obito can't use long range Kamui and Kakashi teleports by projecting kamui right on himself.

possible, but both of what you have said is not proven at all. My statements are backed up by literal manga scans. Good try though.

 

[ShiroShonen]

On my last post:

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i talked about how obito and kakashi can use the same ability of kamui.

That is, kakashi can teleport himself in and out of the dimension, and obito can use the long range kamui, as proven by the manga page on my last post when he deflected kakashi's kamui on the statue.

On my last post people denied this, and there was one that denied obito could use it long range when there was proof right in their face that he cancelled it from afar, let alone proof of the other claim that kakashi could use kamui to teleport himself like obito.


everyone claimed it was just a way to negate the other eye, and its an original power pertaining to each individual eye like amaterasu...

well this weeks chapter proved that wrong.

we learned that the right eye (obito's) is actually containing the power to slip through things. It is a different ability than interdimensional transportation, as seen in the scans i provide below.

That is the special power of the right eye. To phase his body through objects. Madara states this himself.

Burn retard kids for your ignorance. BURN!

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FinalFighterx
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chibakuu tensei
hirudora
Takos
6pathsofkami
uzumakisan

thank you.

Go get em'

 

[Untamed]

the closest way to determine if Obito has a long range kamui is by seeing how he saved Sasuke from Oonoki's Juinton .

 

[novacore]

the closest way to determine if Obito has a long range kamui is by seeing how he saved Sasuke from Oonoki's Juinton .

i saw that more of him teleporting to sasuke and getting the fk out of there. but if you want to help support the topic then so be it.

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

Yeah, dude no. Obito's Kamui allows him to bend the boundary between the Kamui world and the real world using himself as a medium, his body emits a rift that can forcible drag things in, like a black hole. This allows him to either transport himself by entering and then leaving the Kamui world, turning intangible by putting his body or parts of it in the Kamui world, and send people to the Kamui world by grabbing them(he needs to make contact because he is the rift himself) and allowing the rift to drag them in.

Kakashi's Kamui allows him to create that rift instead of emitting the rift. I hope this makes sense to you.

The thread should have ended after this post. Kakashi and Obito do NOT have the same abilities.

Obito

Right eye lets him slip through objects by sending parts of his body to the kamui dimension
It also lets him teleport himself and anything in contact with him to the kamui dimension, physical contact is needed

Kakashi

Left eye lets him teleport anything at a distance to the kamui dimension

They CANNOT use the other eye's abilities.

The only debatable point is how Kakashi teleports to the kamui dimension, whether he teleports like Obito or uses kamui on himself is something only kishi can answer. I believe it is the latter

EDIT: now that I think about it, Kakashi has never teleported to the kamui dimension, he has only teleported out so he possibly cannot even teleport. He had never teleported to another location or dimension like Obito did, he only released himself from the kamui dimension.

 

[Homertime06]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

The thread should have ended after this post. Kakashi and Obito do NOT have the same abilities.

Obito

Right eye lets him slip through objects by sending parts of his body to the kamui dimension
It also lets him teleport himself and anything in contact with him to the kamui dimension, physical contact is needed

Kakashi

Left eye lets him teleport anything at a distance to the kamui dimension

They CANNOT use the other eye's abilities.

The only debatable point is how Kakashi teleports to the kamui dimension, whether he teleports like Obito or uses kamui on himself is something only kishi can answer. I believe it is the latter

/Thread ive been reading all this for over an hour now. This do not prove ur wrong, well maybe see Obito use long

range kamui one day. Dont be mad go get some tea

 

[novacore]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

The thread should have ended after this post. Kakashi and Obito do NOT have the same abilities.

Obito

Right eye lets him slip through objects by sending parts of his body to the kamui dimension
It also lets him teleport himself and anything in contact with him to the kamui dimension, physical contact is needed

Kakashi

Left eye lets him teleport anything at a distance to the kamui dimension

They CANNOT use the other eye's abilities.

The only debatable point is how Kakashi teleports to the kamui dimension, whether he teleports like Obito or uses kamui on himself is something only kishi can answer. I believe it is the latter

You must not have read sht then. the manga or the post. Also, you say the thread should have ended there, but then you add to the point that im trying to make in your second to last sentence. which proves that the thread shouldnt have ended there since that is actually one of the points im trying to make

 

[Mr Hiru]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

You must not have read sht then. the manga or the post. Also, you say the thread should have ended there, but then you add to the point that im trying to make in your second to last sentence. which proves that the thread shouldnt have ended there since that is actually one of the points im trying to make

I concur with this. If there are doubts, it's because we don't know about the full device. We are still doing speculation to some extent.

 

[novacore]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

/Thread ive been reading all this for over an hour now. This do not prove ur wrong, well maybe see Obito use long

range kamui one day. Dont be mad go get some tea

how is this /thread? I still have the manga facts. maybe you are just not reading it right or understanding what madara JUST SAID and what obito did to KAKASHIS KAMUI or when kakashi TELEPORTED HIMSELF OUT OF THE DIMENSION. etc. its not /thread. you just give up and make no facts to prove otherwise and sit on your high horse self-proclaimed /thread when im still correct and you are not

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

/Thread ive been reading all this for over an hour now. This do not prove ur wrong, well maybe see Obito use long

range kamui one day. Dont be mad go get some tea

lol im not mad

You must not have read sht then. the manga or the post. Also, you say the thread should have ended there, but then you add to the point that im trying to make in your second to last sentence. which proves that the thread shouldnt have ended there since that is actually one of the points im trying to make

EDIT: now that I think about it, Kakashi has never teleported to the kamui dimension, he has only teleported out so he possibly cannot even teleport. He had never teleported to another location or dimension like Obito did, he only released himself from the kamui dimension.

If u had read my edit then maybe you would have thought before replying. And I stand by what I say, the thread should have ended there. Ive read ur first thread and this one and it seems to me that you are confusing yourself. You say why didn't Obito use the long range kamui, yet the answer was simple he couldn't. Your 'proof' was him cancelling Kakashi's kamui, how that is proof I'll never know.

If you want to make a point you need to bring hard facts to back your point up. You have not done that yet you insist you are right and others are wrong. When people tell you this, you say "u haven't read shit", however you are the one that has not read shit. Read the manga again then come back tell us when obito used long range kamui or when kakashi teleported.

Obito cancelling Kakashi's Kamui does not prove anything, he could have cancelled it by using his own kamui to cancel out the effects.

Kakashi coming of the kamui dimension also does not prove anything because we have already seen Kakashi release things from the kamui dimension (8 tails), on this occasion he was releasing himself.

 

[novacore]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

lol im not mad



EDIT: now that I think about it, Kakashi has never teleported to the kamui dimension, he has only teleported out so he possibly cannot even teleport. He had never teleported to another location or dimension like Obito did, he only released himself from the kamui dimension.

If u had read my edit then maybe you would have thought before replying. And I stand by what I say, the thread should have ended there. Ive read ur first thread and this one and it seems to me that you are confusing yourself. You say why didn't Obito use the long range kamui, yet the answer was simple he couldn't. Your 'proof' was him cancelling Kakashi's kamui, how that is proof I'll never know.

If you want to make a point you need to bring hard facts to back your point up. You have not done that yet you insist you are right and others are wrong. When people tell you this, you say "u haven't read shit", however you are the one that has not read shit. Read the manga again then come back tell us when obito used long range kamui or when kakashi teleported.

Obito cancelling Kakashi's Kamui does not prove anything, he could have cancelled it by using his own kamui to cancel out the effects.

Kakashi coming of the kamui dimension also does not prove anything because we have already seen Kakashi release things from the kamui dimension (8 tails), on this occasion he was releasing himself.

i provided all the facts you needed. its up to you now. do as you wish.

 

[Troyg39]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

im sure as you can see, even with what we have in the manga, its still hard to interpret this 100% exact. But kakashi can be both right and wrong about how obito uses kamui, especially after what madara said, it makes sense. kakashi is right about how obito's body is physically in the other dimension when he is intangible, but he is not transporting his whole body as we see. thats simple. I understand also the possibility of it being easier to send a small amount at a time, making it faster, but that is still unlikely especially after this chapter. Each jutsu has a weakness, to become intangible is to not send his full self, mind and body, to the other dimension, but to just send his physical self to the other side, which is instant, making it a different jutsu than teleportation. As stated by madara when he specifically says "original" and "right" eye. its the right eyes ability, we now know the exact difference between the left and right eye. At first we thought it was the long range/ short range, but its the fact obito can go intangible, not his mind and body, but just his physical self to the other dimension while still technically existing in the real dimension. ITS A DIFFERENT TECH! Thank you.

The bold is where you keep making your biggest mistake and why you are so confused. To become intangible is to only send a part of his physical self to the other dimension. But he does this by using kamui on a smaller portion of his body. It is still teleportation, just on a smaller scale, making it faster to perform. The fact that the body part is sent to the other dimension in the exact same manner as if he were to teleport his entire body there proves this point. In order for his "intangibility" to be a different technique, this would have to not be the case. Kamui teleports an object to the other dimension. When Obito teleports his entire self, it goes to the other dimension. When he teleports apart of his body, it goes to that same dimension. Kakakshi even stated "his kamui and my kamui are connected" in regards to Obito's "intangibility" move, not him sending his entire body. "His kamui and my kamui are connect". That means it is done by using the same technique: KAMUI.

Basically, becoming intangible is not a technique in itself, kamui is still the technique used just on a portion of the body rather than the whole thing. That is the ability of the right eye. Both eyes share the kamui technique. But the right eye allows the user to kamui portions of the body, while the left eye allows you to kamui object in the real world to the other dimension from a distance/without a connection (ie touching them). It's the exact same thing as Sasuke's MS. The technique they both control is amaterasu. But one eye shoots the flames, while the other controls it. Regardless of which eye we are speaking of however, amaterasu is still the technique used for both special abilities

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

The bold is where you keep making your biggest mistake and why you are so confused. To become intangible is to only send a part of his physical self to the other dimension. But he does this by using kamui on a smaller portion of his body. It is still teleportation, just on a smaller scale, making it faster to perform. The fact that the body part is sent to the other dimension in the exact same manner as if he were to teleport his entire body there proves this point. In order for his "intangibility" to be a different technique, this would have to not be the case. Kamui teleports an object to the other dimension. When Obito teleports his entire self, it goes to the other dimension. When he teleports apart of his body, it goes to that same dimension. Kakakshi even stated "his kamui and my kamui are connected" in regards to Obito's "intangibility" move, not him sending his entire body. "His kamui and my kamui are connect". That means it is done by using the same technique: KAMUI.

Basically, becoming intangible is not a technique in itself, kamui is still the technique used just on a portion of the body rather than the whole thing. That is the ability of the right eye. Both eyes share the kamui technique. But the right eye allows the user to kamui portions of the body, while the left eye allows you to kamui object in the real world to the other dimension from a distance/without a connection (ie touching them). It's the exact same thing as Sasuke's MS. The technique they both control is amaterasu. But one eye shoots the flames, while the other controls it. Regardless of which eye we are speaking of however, amaterasu is still the technique used for both special abilities

Agreed, even kakashi said it was all 1 technique but this guy seems to be confused so theres no point trying to tell him.

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And that is how you provide a fact

 

[Troyg39]

Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye

Agreed, even kakashi said it was all 1 technique but this guy seems to be confused so theres no point trying to tell him.

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And that is how you provide a fact

Ironically enough, that chapter was called "One Jutsu". It doesn't get more obvious than that

 

[Lightslayer]

Sadly he will probly still say we have no proof. :/

Hard headedness.