SM Minato vs DSM Kabuto

Who wins?


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Location: Pain vs Jiraiya
Distance: 15 meters
Restrictions: Edo Tensei and Kurama
Conditions: Minato starts out with ma and pa
Intent: to kill
Intel/Knowledge: Kabuto knows of FTG/Markings and Minato has full knowledge
 
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I don't see DSM Kabuto losing.
 

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If Minato starts with Ma and Pa then I can see Minato winning this otherwise he loses badly.
 

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If Minato starts with Ma and Pa then I can see Minato winning this otherwise he loses badly.

Alright I'll start him out with Ma and Pa to make it more of a match.. should I restrict Manda 2 as well?
 

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SM Minato is faster than DSM Kabuto. Base Minato has one of the fastest shunshin and his reaction speed is above A in V2. Base Kabuto's physical stats are nowhere near Minato's level in terms of shunshin speed and reaction. Infact he already admitted himself in part1 to be weak in taijutsu. The natural energy only increases your base stats, so a perfect SM user like Minato would always be above DSM Kabuto simply because in their base stats, he is already above him. Now add his physical strength and durability that Kabuto lacks even in DSM, and he is comfortably above DSM Kabuto just by their physical capabilities

Kabuto implied the white rage jutsu doesn't work on Sage mode users


White rage uses sound vibration to paralyse the opponent, so it works basically similarly to the sage frog song used by Pa and Ma, and notice SM Naruto was capable to go through it without struggling unlike the summons and thus confirming Kabuto's words:

Depending on the location he may not be capable to use this move as well:

But we've already seen toad SM guaranteed Naruto to tank a similar attack:

Minato is a perfect SM user as well, so he should have no problems to tank it even if he didn't rely on dodging

To kill Kabuto? I'm pretty sure a rasengan of this size would kill him:

Before you even say Minato lacks such a feat, let me tell you that the Chou Odama rasengan is simply a rasengan in which you infused sage chakra to increase the size

Minato's base rasengan has already been shown to be bigger than normal. Since he mastered Sage Mode, it means he had high enough chakra to learn it. Adding Sage chakra into it, and there is no reason for him not being capable to use it
 

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SM Minato is faster than DSM Kabuto. Base Minato has one of the fastest shunshin and his reaction speed is above A in V2. Base Kabuto's physical stats are nowhere near Minato's level in terms of shunshin speed and reaction. Infact he already admitted himself in part1 to be weak in taijutsu. The natural energy only increases your base stats, so a perfect SM user like Minato would always be above DSM Kabuto simply because in their base stats, he is already above him. Now add his physical strength and durability that Kabuto lacks even in DSM, and he is comfortably above DSM Kabuto just by their physical capabilities

Kabuto implied the white rage jutsu doesn't work on Sage mode users


White rage uses sound vibration to paralyse the opponent, so it works basically similarly to the sage frog song used by Pa and Ma, and notice SM Naruto was capable to go through it without struggling unlike the summons and thus confirming Kabuto's words:

Depending on the location he may not be capable to use this move as well:

But we've already seen toad SM guaranteed Naruto to tank a similar attack:

Minato is a perfect SM user as well, so he should have no problems to tank it even if he didn't rely on dodging

To kill Kabuto? I'm pretty sure a rasengan of this size would kill him:

Before you even say Minato lacks such a feat, let me tell you that the Chou Odama rasengan is simply a rasengan in which you infused sage chakra to increase the size

Minato's base rasengan has already been shown to be bigger than normal. Since he mastered Sage Mode, it means he had high enough chakra to learn it. Adding Sage chakra into it, and there is no reason for him not being capable to use it

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Was not unexpected.
 

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Yes, Minato's Rasengan can definitely kill Kabuto when Jiraiya's superior Rasengan couldn't even kill a retired chunnin.
 

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Yes, Minato's Rasengan can definitely kill Kabuto when Jiraiya's superior Rasengan couldn't even kill a retired chunnin.
That rasengan dwarfs his entire body by far. Pretty sure it would crush him if it hits
 

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Well,Before i would've said kabuto mid diff but after reading T Bogard's post. im gonna have to go with sm minato on this one...
 

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SM Minato is faster than DSM Kabuto. Base Minato has one of the fastest shunshin and his reaction speed is above A in V2. Base Kabuto's physical stats are nowhere near Minato's level in terms of shunshin speed and reaction.

True. Strength is still questionable for both of them, but by default they should have Naruto's SM strength. Naruto had 3.5 strength during the time while Kabuto had 3. So Kabuto will only be .5 weaker with SM strength. Reasonably Minato should be a little stronger then Kabuto in SM, not that all this matter.

Infact he already admitted himself in part1 to be weak in taijutsu.

How is this relevant to now? Considering he had clash multiple times with a skilled Taijutsu users such as Itachi. Who also land hits on him, while NEVER using his Snake Navel for support[ ].

Not only that but Fukasaku already commented how SM can increase Hand to Hand Combat[ ] (mention this way before training Naruto and their personal fighting style). Kabuto already commented that learning Sage Mode from the 3 legendary places are even (so there is no specific stat boost in SM.[ ])

The natural energy only increases your base stats, so a perfect SM user like Minato would always be above DSM Kabuto simply because in their base stats, he is already above him.


Ill give you that with speed but strength wouldn't make a difference on how he will win with it.

Now add his physical strength and durability that Kabuto lacks even in DSM, and he is comfortably above DSM Kabuto just by their physical capabilities

No he doesn't. What makes his durability less then SM Naruto? Cause he got his horns cut off? And a Sussanoo can stab him? Can SM Naruto do that? Durability isn't a factor in this match between these two anyway, as Kabuto also had alternative defenses.

Concerning strength: We can conclude that Kabuto indeed has physical strength, considering the swing he made that cut Itachi. Now I know people will use Edo Body as an excuse but check this out.

1. We know Gated Lee has eminence strength. He was able to have Kyuubi cloak support his attack on hitting Madara in half[ ]. But look at the result of Madara[ ].

2. Check out Kabuto swing[ ]. The velocity of that swing had Itachi flying[ ]. Not only was he flying, once Itachi tried to break, his hands started sliding to stop himself from going any further[ ]. There is differently power behind his swing.

Kabuto implied the white rage jutsu doesn't work on Sage mode users

Taken out of context. You should post viz scan. He was clearly talking about himself. He is the only one that can cover his eyelid and liquify his body to counter his jutsu.

White rage uses sound vibration to paralyse the opponent, so it works basically similarly to the sage frog song used by Pa and Ma, and notice SM Naruto was capable to go through it without struggling unlike the summons and thus confirming Kabuto's words:

Read above no one can liquify their body to ease the vibrations.

Depending on the location he may not be capable to use this move as well:

Thats ok, People like to think Muki Tensei is only useful for offensive for some reason. There is so much you can do other then caving in your opponent.

Example, having the ground retrieve all of Minato's Kunai's

But we've already seen toad SM guaranteed Naruto to tank a similar attack:

No, these spikes are not augmented with senjutsu.

Minato is a perfect SM user as well, so he should have no problems to tank it even if he didn't rely on dodging

Not a chance as they are not augmented with chakra. SM has shown countless of time being able to be penetrated though chakra attacks

To kill Kabuto? I'm pretty sure a rasengan of this size would kill him:

Kabuto is not stupid, he is fighting the legendary yellow flash. He will have his body fluids ready to tank. Plus the ability to block all chakra with Kidomaru

Before you even say Minato lacks such a feat, let me tell you that the Chou Odama rasengan is simply a rasengan in which you infused sage chakra to increase the size

Not much matters

Minato's base rasengan has already been shown to be bigger than normal. Since he mastered Sage Mode, it means he had high enough chakra to learn it. Adding Sage chakra into it, and there is no reason for him not being capable to use it

Its perfectly reasonable. But it won't help much.

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Hm seems interesting. I'll reply to you tomorrow :)
 

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Kabuto most likely, pretty sure DSM Kabuto described himself to the Sage of 6 Paths.

Plus not enough feats from Minato, especially sage feats
 

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Bogard ,noooooooo. Kabuto said that his sage mode allowed him to move around. His sage mode had specific counters to each of the effects of that. Eyes and junk.
 

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Minato takes this after reading Bogard's post.
 
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