is minato SM an ASSpull or not

[holtaa]

Read my post. It's a direct answer to your question.


Edit: @ OP, a poll won't really help. It's not always the most popular opinion that is the most logical. Take One Piece being considered the best series for instance.

Ehh what? i dont understand... You say that 'naruto surpassed minato in sage jutsu'... you can compare the strengths of ninja without both having the same skill...

 

[MorphyRulez]

No. A-pull indicates that it came out of nowhere and wasn't foreshadowed, but it was.

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Here Fukasaku mentioned that Naruto "surpassed all who came before him." Minato and Jiraya were shown together, and the toads shared this view with Tsunade. Now, here's the thing. The only way Naruto surpassed Minato as far as we knew at that point was through ransenshuriken, which is something Minato never achieved. However....

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.......... Fukasaku never saw ransenshuriken, so the only other option is that Fukasaku meant that Naruto surpassed Minato in senjutsu, which meant that Minato would have to have at least some senjutsu.



So no, it's not an a-pull. It was foreshadowed, however, it is indeed a plot hole since he never used it in the Obito fight, but I think that's how Naruto's superior to Minato in senjutsu. Naurto can mix natural energy to large masses of chakra while Mianto cannot.

It was Tsunade's visual. Not frogs. And frogs mentioned about just " him " not " them ".

 

[JasonTheArgonaut]

Naw they gonna need everything they can to fight Lord Madara-Sama

 

[-immortal-]

Worst asspul in Anime History . How is this an explination ^ Kishi had nothing Forshadowed. Just that naruto had surpassed his Dad. That naruto surpassed his Dad. didn't Minato had also * SM lel. nardo surpassed the almighty SM minato

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with raw powerzz.

 

[Shura]

It's an asspull. A terrible one.

 

[Aquarius]

Its when a character gets a super strong technique out of nowhere, like it wasn't foreshadowed or "never been seen before" kind of power.....

Ok i get it, thanks for the info

OT : I think it is for now but in further chaps. it'll be more clear that it was foreshadowed or not

 

[JasonTheArgonaut]

Worst asspul in Anime History . How is this an explination ^ Kishi had nothing Forshadowed. Just that naruto had surpassed his Dad. That naruto surpassed his Dad. didn't Minato had also * SM lel. nardo surpassed the almighty SM minato

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with raw powerzz.

It seemed to me it was pretty obvious seeing he had a contract with the toads

 

[Smd]

Its NB . People complain about lots of things without thinking a bit.
And More importntly they are saying coz Minato never used SM before. And also kishi never mentioned that He can use SM

no matter how much you fanboys try and legitimize this.

you cant because its an ass pull just like KCM+BM

no power like those should be gained off panel and not shown,

stop being stupid

IF someone can fill me in why he didn't use it vs Obito ~ And got Naruto to give him Sage rasengan.

WHY?

Then I will believe it wasn't an asspull, I can see the evidence for foreshadowing BUT if he had it he woulda used it against Obito. ;-;

this is another reason why its an ass pull

the timing he used it

 

[holtaa]

Read my post. It's a direct answer to your question.


Edit: @ OP, a poll won't really help. It's not always the most popular opinion that is the most logical. Take One Piece being considered the best series for instance.

And i think that picture merely shows two ninjas known for great strength as thresholds that naruto has both passed. Two main things naruto has trained intensely for, the rasengan (4th hokage) and sage jutsu (jiraiya) and also a third that came later on... the mastery of the tailed beast as well as a connection with all of them (rikodu senin) Its simple, all just individual thresholds to prove naruto's growth in strength

 

[Smd]

It seemed to me it was pretty obvious seeing he had a contract with the toads

smfh.

by this logic than

Orochimaru
Sasuke

both have DSM


seem how stupid you sound trying to vaildaite this?

 

[Seventh Sama]

smfh.

by this logic than

Orochimaru
Sasuke

both have DSM


seem how stupid you sound trying to vaildaite this?

I bet you wished sasuke had dsm... haha im jk..

 

[Meee]

Yes

and not only was it an asspull but It was completely pointless.

 

[Narutoga]

Ok i get it, thanks for the info

OT : I think it is for now but in further chaps. it'll be more clear that it was foreshadowed or not

nah, fukasaku already said naruto surpassed minato and jiraiya in SM, even gamabunta said "doesn't he look like those two" ( referring to minato and jiraiya)

 

[startup97]

IMO no, not really. Wasn't it foreshadowed by Fukasaku??? If I am wrong and it is, please get over it. Besides, he got stomped the moment he showed it so it doesn't really matter.
P.S Hiruzen solos

 

[JasonTheArgonaut]

smfh.

by this logic than

Orochimaru
Sasuke

both have DSM


seem how stupid you sound trying to vaildaite this?

No because it was explained how Orochimaru couldnt find the dragons place by Kabuto
Minato would know where the toads were because j-man told everyone he told Pain for ****ssake
But i dont wanna argue with an idiot

 

[Smd]

I bet you wished sasuke had dsm... haha im jk..

that kid is claiming that if you went to the 3 different caves and signed a summoning contract

that you have SM


i rather see sasuke in rinnegan then DSM

 

[Narutoga]

Yes

and not only was it an asspull but It was completely pointless.

because he got one shotted in one panel by the strongest in the manga

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It was Tsunade's visual. Not frogs. And frogs mentioned about just " him " not " them ".

Wrong. Gamakichi: Did you see those old familiar forms?

 

[Smd]

No because it was explained how Orochimaru couldnt find the dragons place by Kabuto

kid just stop posting now or quoting me.

i wont let you post lies. and your looking so clueless

youve been proven wrong 3 times in the past 10 mins.

pathetic

ot- orochimaru found the cave first, you dont read any manga do you

 

[Narutoga]

I bet you wished sasuke had dsm... haha im jk..

the logic of just having a contract with the summoning does not work here, i agree with ya on this