Naruto did surpass Minato and Jiraiya...

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People are trying to say Minato having Sage mode without "transforming" like Jiraiya did, means that Naruto didn't surpass Minato and is on par with Naruto's.

WRONG​

Naruto due to having huge chakra reserves is able to refresh his sage mode via clones, which was an original idea by Naruto.

Thus, naruto's is superior
 

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Sadly, the reference of surpassing was related to power and who is stronger.. not the idea of the shadow clones.
 

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we already know this

You may. The 200+ people who made threads claiming that Minato having Sage mode made a plothole in what Fukusaku said prior. Which it is not, so someone needs to explain the obvious to the moronic.
 

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1- We know since the beggining of the war that Naruto surpassed Minato.
2- Where are the clones? Why not show them? Because I remember Kishi showed them puffing when Naruto vs Pain. So Dont even guy.
 

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You may. The 200+ people who made threads claiming that Minato having Sage mode made a plothole in what Fukusaku said prior. Which it is not, so someone needs to explain the obvious to the moronic.

because ppl are stupid that manga fact wins the manga said that he surpass them I mean seriously minato went in SM and got solo in two panels and I thought sage mode users have amazing reflects
 

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BSM Naruto stated to be faster than his dad. and therefor he surpassed Minato&jiraiya
 

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I still don't think Minato "has sage mode."

I could be wrong about this for sure, but I think it's more along the lines that after sharing chakra with naruto and confronting the ten tails and it's jins (massive nature energy radiation here) he managed--as a genius--to absorb a small amount of nature energy and release it in his rasengan.

I'll change my theory when I see him with frog eyes.


***Thanks to Perimutter for pointing out the panel showing his eyes. Going to have to re-evaluate this position for sure***
 
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Lol aT this crap.

Ot- only thing naruto has over minato is charka lol
 

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He's surpassed Jiraya.... But Minato ?? XD XD Relax
 

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Naruto's SM is much stronger than Minato's, until proven otherwise.
 

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He's surpassed Jiraya.... But Minato ?? XD XD Relax

Look, I understand you are a fan of Minato, thats cool, hes was a great ninja in his prime (basically everything we've seen of him is his prime since he died young) but Naruto has surpassed him with Kyuubi mode, the third Raikage even said so himself when he fought Naruto when he was trying top stop him from entering the fight against Obito.

Please don't refute manga facts, it is silly.
 

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Naruto only made clones because he couldn't fuse with ma and pa. Outside of that, shadow clones to refresh sm is useless You can already get a permanent sm( as long as your chakra lasts) by fusing with ma and pa because you constantly take in energy. Naruto couldn't do that which warranted the clones.

Furthermore, naruto needs to take out a scroll and reverse summon the clone then dispel it. It'd be easier to just meditate instead of doing all that shit.

What you're saying is wrong.

Only thing minato has over naruto is ftg and sealing techs naruto has surpassed minato.
And speed, and sensing, and taijutsu and kenjutsu and shuriken skills and... everything. Only think naruto has over him is a rasenshuriken and a chakra pool.
 
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