Madara kind of has a point

[vasu 32]

You are definitely not seeing the psychological state of MADARA but this latest chapter where he talks with obito,finally started to reveal his state of mind. I'll wait for manga to reveal more to his psychological mind state.

OT- Sage's ideals and ways didn't failed as it was never followed. Thus Madara says, "The Sage Failed". Madara is,however,right when he said,"Humans will never achieve peace in reality",similarly correct were Obito,"There is no such thing as true peace. There is no hope for this world. To hope is equivalent to giving up and is the biggest deception of all" and Nagato,"Humans are but simple creatures who will never achieve true peace and will never understand each other". So what to do?just give up and run away from hard course? of-course not,you believe that you can do it,and never give up. Goals just doesn't justify means at all.

 

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madara is delusional idiot,his moon eye plan if worked(or even possible since it's impossible to achieve everyone's wishes at the same time) won't last beyond his lifespan,after his death he'll leave a world in ruins,and the juubi in loose and people with no goal or lead in life.i find it ironic that the guy with the ultimate eyes can barely see beyond the dirt under his feet.
a dream world may save the world for a while,but we're sure what happened to those who were only saved.they'll be lost afterwards with no one to show them the way.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

and i ask u how is narutos way any different

It's no different. It can be subverted as well and he needs to realize that.



For the person stating that Madara is correct from a Buddhist perspective he couldn't be more wrong. Putting folks into a dream state is an anethema to what enlightenment represents.

 

[Fair Warning]

a world without chakra is the only answer to peace, but humans would still find ways to kill each other

thats why infinite tsuki no me is a great idea for peace, but Madara should not be allowed to control everyone

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

madara is delusional idiot,his moon eye plan if worked(or even possible since it's impossible to achieve everyone's wishes at the same time) won't last beyond his lifespan,after his death he'll leave a world in ruins,and the juubi in loose and people with no goal or lead in life.i find it ironic that the guy with the ultimate eyes can barely see beyond the dirt under his feet.
a dream world may save the world for a while,but we're sure what happened to those who were only saved.they'll be lost afterwards with no one to show them the way.

and thats your assumption u dotn what would happen if he died he probably has a plan he could always do the edo tensei scenario all over again

 

[edgarmagician]

and i ask u how is narutos way any different

Naruto's way involves getting the people to change and accept that the only way people can achieve peace is by understanding each other and working together towards peace. Somewhat like what you saw in the Akatsuki (Yahiko, Nagato, Konan) fillers. Madara's way is just a dream. Forcing people into a peace world where he is in control. Ever time you force someone to do something, all you get is chaos. If you get people to buy in an ideal, you can achieve anything. That's how Naruto's way is different than Madara's.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Of course he does, the whole IT plan is a far better one than the tried and tired method they've been using for "peace".

Tobirama even admitted it.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Naruto's way involves getting the people to change and accept that the only way people can achieve peace is by understanding each other and working together towards peace. Somewhat like what you saw in the Akatsuki (Yahiko, Nagato, Konan) fillers. Madara's way is just a dream. Forcing people into a peace world where he is in control. Ever time you force someone to do something, all you get is chaos. If you get people to buy in an ideal, you can achieve anything. That's how Naruto's way is different than Madara's.

and naruto tnj is not forceful he forces his pov on others kishi just has is where they decide to say oh he is right

u think his tnj would have worked on nagato right after yahiko death no sasuke clan died no obito and rin fiasco no madara reading the tablet with ems no

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Naruto's way involves getting the people to change and accept that the only way people can achieve peace is by understanding each other and working together towards peace. Somewhat like what you saw in the Akatsuki (Yahiko, Nagato, Konan) fillers. Madara's way is just a dream. Forcing people into a peace world where he is in control. Ever time you force someone to do something, all you get is chaos. If you get people to buy in an ideal, you can achieve anything. That's how Naruto's way is different than Madara's.

That's kind of an overly optimistic view isn't it? It relies on good intentions of the individual. In a quest for personal greed and trying to gain more power wouldn't the complete understanding of someone else result in attempts to manipulate things to their advantage, and wouldn't others understanding of those individuals result in some kind of conflict?

 

[AGoodBoy]

Yhhh but its wrong to control people agaisnt their will..

Go tell that to your government. We're all secretly being controlled. If you drink as a minor, avoid taxes, steal, kill, rape, streak, etc. and get caught, you're in trouble. If you abort your child, you're in trouble. Depending on your government, you're not allowed to do certain things without getting in trouble.
You're being controlled, you just don't notice it Lol.

OT: Humans need boundaries and rules. Too much freedom isn't good. I agree with madara's way U_U

Anyway most people don't even understand what madara's doing. The guy never ever said he's controlling anyone. What he said was he's

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. Being under genjutsu =/= being controlled; those are very separate.
Even if everyone's under a genjutsu, that doesn't mean anything because they'd still have their free thought[

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][

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]. However, with this genjutsu, they're no longer isolated to just the caster and themselves, they're still connected to every other being. meaning, it will be just like if there was no genjutsu whatsoever(

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). except, now, no one will be able to mold chakra. That is because, they will be unable to use their spiritual energy for their own selfish gain, but instead they'll be 'forced' to stay connected to everyone else and understand their feelings, emotions, whatever.

tl;dr; Essentially the only thing madara is forcing is

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. People connecting their chakra instead of

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in themselves for power. With him as the 'control hub' no one will be able to break their connection to others because no one would be powerful enough.

*IMO madara's way is the greatest way to achieve true peace. well, as long as the host -- madara -- doesn't go insane and abuse his power... In an imperfect world, it's unlikely he'd be able to keep from abusing his power. The Idea is sound, the execution just might not be.