[Discussion] Meanwhile, In America...

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I believe the saying is: "This is why we can't have nice things."

[video=youtube;i954EWdn0L0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i954EWdn0L0[/video]

It's an absolutely hilarious watch.

Many of you on here are younger - pay attention to your parents and grandparents. Learn from their mistakes that you are going to have to survive.
 

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It was revised after it was passed and was never passed again so therefore it's actually not a real law.
 

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No one takes fox news seriously anymore my man lol
 

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Yeah MSNBC and CNN are just full of truth. they're just as biased a fox the only difference is the side they're on
 

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the magic of video editing. take out the parts you don't like and suddenly your point makes sense. i don't think they had more then 6 seconds of the same video piece. the one with joe biden was just "no cut that 3 minute explanation, people only want to see him stutter for 2 seconds."
 

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I find it interesting how you often remind people that you are older...and they are younger. Do you believe you claim superiority that way?...just a question.

OT: I say we all stop watching television, period. It's nothing but brainwashing junk and promotion of propaganda. It literally depresses me how almost everything aired on television is not of pure intentions.Anything can be corrupt especially if it's mainstream, in my opinion.
 

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Yeah MSNBC and CNN are just full of truth. they're just as biased a fox the only difference is the side they're on

The truth is that they are both on the same side.

Fox simply plays lip-service to conservatives. It makes them feel as though there is a true conservative presence in the nation.

There isn't.

It's all made possible by the lie that we were told as wee little school children: "Compromise, that is where the solution lies."

Nothing could be further from the truth. You do not compromise with constitutional restrictions on government. Ever. There is a process for changing it, but it is not a living document that gets to be interpreted.

"Aim, that's just because you're extreme."

It's a pure logical fact.

The Constitution is designed to limit the authorities of government.

Progressives have always argued for more expansions of government authority and control. "Create a central bank, it will secure the markets" (it made it worse, by the way). "Tax the young and working to pay the older people. Call it social security. Convince people there is an account with their money in it that they are entitled to."

Conservatives have argued against this expansion. But if "compromise" is "the solution" - then what ends up happening is very simple. Spending goes up on defense and only half of the proposed expansions of government power occur.

Both sides 'got some of what they wanted.'

However, it fundamentally changed the authority of government outside the processes outlined in the Constitution.

Decades later, the government can spy on you. Your parents can admit you to the hospital and the hospital can legally take you away for any reason. Don't believe me?

They can force you to buy health insurance, close down your from-home business, freeze your bank account on a whim, imprison you without cause and violate habeas corpus.

This is because we 'compromised' our liberties for the promise of security.

"You need to be protected as a consumer."

"You need to be protected as a home owner."

"You need to be protected as a child."

"You need me."

It has predictable consequences.
 

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the magic of video editing. take out the parts you don't like and suddenly your point makes sense. i don't think they had more then 6 seconds of the same video piece. the one with joe biden was just "no cut that 3 minute explanation, people only want to see him stutter for 2 seconds."

It's a 6,000 page law.

The law empowers the Department of Health and Human Services to 'make it up as it goes.'

Not a damned one of them can know what is going on.

In Obama's case - no editing is necessary. The guy simply can't speak without a teleprompter. The only reason to pay the guy any attention is that he knows how to deliver a speech. Give anything he says more than a passing thought, and any awe rapidly fades.
 

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I find it interesting how you often remind people that you are older...and they are younger. Do you believe you claim superiority that way?...just a question.

It is an admission of a difference in perspective.

I do not need to claim superiority. I was sharper when I was younger, but more stupid for it.

OT: I say we all stop watching television, period. It's nothing but brainwashing junk and promotion of propaganda. It literally depresses me how almost everything aired on television is not of pure intentions.Anything can be corrupt especially if it's mainstream, in my opinion.

Evil rarely tells a falsehood. It is a perspective that uses facts to paint a deceitful picture of the outcomes.

You watch one news side - and you believe that "If we all work together" and "we all believe hard enough, we can truly change the world under Obama."

You watch the other news side - and you believe that "If we elect Republicans, we can fix this mess."

The truth is that this country is beyond saving. The dollar will collapse. It is a mathematical certainty, and there is no legislative action, no prayer, no presidential action that is going to prevent it from happening. It is only a question of when.

The worst mistake you could make, right now, is to not pay attention to what is going on in the world around you. True - the major media outlets are not going to touch on any truly deep or important news, but they still cover things, and they occasionally have a good point.

Silence is complacence, and complacence is permission for things to continue as they are.

I would rather not be the one to welcome you to the Gulag with an: "I told you so."
 

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It is an admission of a difference in perspective.

I do not need to claim superiority. I was sharper when I was younger, but more stupid for it.



Evil rarely tells a falsehood. It is a perspective that uses facts to paint a deceitful picture of the outcomes.

You watch one news side - and you believe that "If we all work together" and "we all believe hard enough, we can truly change the world under Obama."

You watch the other news side - and you believe that "If we elect Republicans, we can fix this mess."

The truth is that this country is beyond saving. The dollar will collapse. It is a mathematical certainty, and there is no legislative action, no prayer, no presidential action that is going to prevent it from happening. It is only a question of when.

The worst mistake you could make, right now, is to not pay attention to what is going on in the world around you. True - the major media outlets are not going to touch on any truly deep or important news, but they still cover things, and they occasionally have a good point.

Silence is complacence, and complacence is permission for things to continue as they are.

I would rather not be the one to welcome you to the Gulag with an: "I told you so."

I only said that because you often give hints about how much more older you are than the rest of us.Just the things you post sometimes.

Assume that I'm quiet and complacent, but I can't sit here and stress over the likelihood of an economic callapse, 24/7. I consider these things, though. I wont sit here and pretend like everything is perferct, nor will i act as though everything is doomed.

If I sit here and constantly gravitate to the negative I'd probably come to the conclusion that life isn't 'worth living'. Spending my life worrying about these things and I wont have any intentions of enjoying life. But, luckily, that isn't the case.

I'm hoping you are genuinely concerned about the youth here, and not using this forum as an outlet for power(not saying you are). You kinda remind me of a pre-programmed robot built only to focus on certain topics. Like you're hard wired to enforce and follow rules given to you by your manufacturer/creator and anything outside of your programming causes you to explode. Its like there's no humanity in anything I read from you...that's just based off of what I've read from you, of course.

It's interesting, though. Other than the fact that we both can agree that the news is not reliable, we're pretty much polar opposites.

You intrigue me.
 
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I find it interesting how you often remind people that you are older...and they are younger. Do you believe you claim superiority that way?...just a question.

OT: I say we all stop watching television, period. It's nothing but brainwashing junk and promotion of propaganda. It literally depresses me how almost everything aired on television is not of pure intentions.Anything can be corrupt especially if it's mainstream, in my opinion.

I'll piggy back off what you said. You are completely correct; I have also stopped watching T.V. It's just become sexual-filth, it's making us gays look bad, it's making race look bad, it's making everything terrible.

I can't turn my T.V without being shown, ***, profanity, drugs, etc. It's terrible, especially with the new generation.
 

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Could you explain ?
The video is not working with me .But i am interested . :(

It is, essentially, a local news host who (presumably with his crew) put together some interesting sound bites about how Obamacare (or the Affordable Healthcare Act) doesn't make sense and is confusing people... to include the President and our Congress.

To start with - Obama originally began his ascent through democratic primaries by saying he did not support a mandate on health insurance (saying it would be 'like trying to end homelessness by mandating everyone buy a house"). Romney, on the other hand, started by saying he did support a mandate on health insurance (such as in his home state). Then the two swapped places during the campaign - Obama ran his entire campaign on mandatory health insurance coverage while Romney ran against it.

Then we have our population, which doesn't quite understand the difference between Obamacare and the "Affordable Health Care Act." ... That is to say... they don't understand that they are the same thing. When asked: "Would you rather have Obamacare or the Affordable Health Care Act" - people say they want the ACA 'because it will be more affordable.'

Which means they have no idea what is in the law.

And neither do our elected representatives.

The bill was passed using a process known as 'reconciliation' - where the House and Senate vote separately on two separate pieces of legislation. Then the two are, effectively, stapled together and sent to the President - who would be stupid to sign it, because it is 6,000 pages long.

Yet our President signed it.

So it became law despite the fact that there probably does not exist a single individual on the face of this planet who has read and properly understood everything that is in it.

Not that it matters. The law empowers the Department of Health and Human Services to make up many of the points of regulation and procedures - which means much of the law's effects are decided by officials who are not in an elected office.

Regardless - the law does stipulate that people must have health insurance (if they meet certain income criteria) at a certain date - or incur a fine. The fine for the first year is around $70 - so it is negligible. Then it jumps up to hundreds of dollars per year. The IRS has been empowered to collect this fine.

Which means that if you don't pay your fine for not having insurance, and the federal government thinks you make enough that you should have insurance - your wages will be garnished, bank accounts frozen, etc. I suspect it will end up being nearly impossible to enforce, practically (so in two years, people will probably turn around and say I was full of it) - but, legally, that is what can happen. More than likely, they will just deduct it from your income tax return.

Because the entire process for Obamacare doesn't work - as in - no one has actually been able to -pay- insurance companies for the insurance that they allegedly enrolled in (they have no way of confirming their enrollment) - Obama has decided to delay what is known as the "Individual Mandate" - the date by which you must prove you have health insurance or incur a fine.

That would be like your state legislature passing a funding bill for schools, and the governor saying: "Yeah... I'm the governor... and I'm going to do that because the sales tax would go up right around Christmas... so I'm delaying the sales tax until March of next year." Which is not what the law says.

Similarly - Obama has authorized exemptions for numerous companies and government contractors from the Employer Mandate (that employers must offer health insurance to employees working over a certain amount of time).

Honestly, it is absolutely hilarious - because this is -exactly- what 'we' (conservatives and libertarians) were saying would happen with this law when it was proposed 6 years ago. And we were slandered like hell for it. The Obama administration even went so far as to compile a record of e-mail addresses from people who were spreading 'false' information about 'Obamacare.' Basically - if you had a friend who was "misinformed" - you could register his/her e-mail address to receive e-mail from the White House.

It's delightfully Orwellian.

Where I work is already feeling the crunch. I work in Dialysis - normally, people with kidney failure die. Where I work makes life for these people possible because we have equipment and machines capable of cleaning the blood. Many of our patients have no choice but medicare (or some charity organization). When your kidneys stop working - it's kind of hard to maintain a job when you have to go sit in a chair for 3-4 hours and have your blood run through a machine (A home form of Dialysis called "PD" can be done overnight while one sleeps - but Americans have never been too privy to the idea - though it is all some other countries can afford).

But Medicare is expanding its demands upon the medical field without increasing monetary compensation. Medications used to be considered separate and paid for separately by patients. Now, anything related to Dialysis treatment, we have to pay for (but our payment per treatment is not increasing from medicare).

We have no choice but to start going through our patients with a fine-toothed comb and find out whether or not the medications they have been prescribed have to do with Dialysis, and it is going to become a bit of a fight for those patients to have those medications prescribed to them (by us).

Simply put - we just got told we had to spend more money to take care of patients but told we weren't getting any more money.

This, while they talk of raising our nation's minimum wage. Frankly, we'd have to eliminate positions. Which means lower technician-to-patient ratios. It also means increased costs at all ends for us.

We already have difficulty with staff retention because other Dialysis centers (that throw people out for missing payments) will pay higher wages. We will have no choice but to strip our staff to its bones and the care becomes disorganized... or ignore maintenance on our buildings. Either way - if that were to progress, the State would eventually come in and shut us down for not meeting regulations.

They enacted laws without regard for the consequences that would logically follow. It is why our nation is in the mess it is.
 

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I'll piggy back off what you said. You are completely correct; I have also stopped watching T.V. It's just become sexual-filth, it's making us gays look bad, it's making race look bad, it's making everything terrible.

I can't turn my T.V without being shown, ***, profanity, drugs, etc. It's terrible, especially with the new generation.

The whole''gay'' thing is basically used for propaganda. Idk why people still believe who you love is who you are. What also confuses me is how people don't realize that these limiting labels segregate us even further.The media refer to 'gays' as if they are a different species of humans. People are just people. I get insulted when someone refers to me as a 'black person' as if my skin color is who i am. We shouldn't let these limiting illusionary, ego indentifying, preprogramming labels define us. But I do understand that because certain things are still an 'issue', it needs a name. We'll get their in due time.
 

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The whole''gay'' thing is basically used for propaganda. Idk why people still believe who you love is who you are. What also confuses me is how people don't realize that these limiting labels segregate us even further.The media refer to 'gays' as if they are a different species of humans. People are just people. I get insulted when someone refers to me as a 'black person' as if my skin color is who i am. We shouldn't let these limiting illusionary, ego indentifying, preprogramming labels define us. But I do understand that because certain things are still an 'issue', it needs a name. We'll get their in due time.

What makes me giggle the mosts, is the fact they're making the characters asexual and bi. So not only are you making gays look bad, your just trying to make everyone look like a giant *****.

I don't know about other gay men, but I have been in a relationship for two years with the same guy and we live and act normal lives.
 

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What makes me giggle the mosts, is the fact they're making the characters asexual and bi. So not only are you making gays look bad, your just trying to make everyone look like a giant *****.

I don't know about other gay men, but I have been in a relationship for two years with the same guy and we live and act normal lives.

I've never been with another male, but I can say 'who cares about what society deems as normal'.To me, normal means 'average', and average is just plain boring. Conformity is just plain boring, but of course, because of circumstances we must follow certain rules.
Asexual...uhhh the very idea. I believe everyone can like both to a degree if they open their mind to it. It's only 'thought' combined with feeling, nothing more.Fear and discomfort of either gender parts is what prevents the attraction, i believe, and genetics only effect likelihood. Using every method to separate the people, even through sexuality. It's pathetic.
 

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Assume that I'm quiet and complacent, but I can't sit here and stress over the likelihood of an economic callapse, 24/7. I consider these things, though. I wont sit here and pretend like everything is perferct, nor will i act as though everything is doomed.

Perfection and Doom are both subjective concepts.

The world is behaving exactly according to the laws of physics. People are behaving exactly as people behave.

It is the devil's logic that leads one to assume he/she is capable of conceiving greater than this existence. We are to perfect within our existence, not endeavor to spite it.

The Taoists were on to something.

If I sit here and constantly gravitate to the negative I'd probably come to the conclusion that life isn't 'worth living'. Spending my life worrying about these things and I wont have any intentions of enjoying life. But, luckily, that isn't the case.

If you need life to figure out why life is worth living... then you haven't really dealt with the question of what life is for.

Think about it logically. You are one life among billions. All of which claim the right to sentience. People are born and die every day, and the world goes on. Why have a world at all? By what process did this thing you call "consciousness" and "sentience" arise?

And if it all came about by chance, and everything you are ends with the chemical reactions in your brain... then... what -is- it all for?

What consequence is life or death?

Thinking about and answering these questions are very crucial parts of becoming a true individual. Otherwise - you simply put off solidifying your identity until you're standing at the edge of a bridge or placing a gun barrel to your temple with all the frustration to end it but the inexplicable hesitation.

And eventually, your life will throw you a series of challenges that will drive you to that point of wanting to give up. The experience is subjective. The first time you spill milk - it's a tragedy beyond compare. Then you stub your toe the next day and realize spilled milk isn't a big deal. Realizing others struggle with new experiences does little to curb your own struggle with a newly painful experience.

Negativity is also subjective. While it sounds cliche - the end of one era is always the beginning of a new era.

Whether that is a negative or positive outlook depends upon whether or not you choose to play a role in the ongoing renewal of the world.

I'm hoping you are genuinely concerned about the youth here, and not using this forum as an outlet for power(not saying you are). You kinda remind me of a pre-programmed robot built only to focus on certain topics. Like you're hard wired to enforce and follow rules given to you by your manufacturer/creator and anything outside of your programming causes you to explode. Its like there's no humanity in anything I read from you...that's just based off of what I've read from you, of course.

To rule out selfish motivations on my own part would be foolish of anyone, including myself, to do. To argue that an individual posting on a forum does so without desiring attention would be entertaining, but foolish.

That said - it is an issue I am genuinely concerned about.

As for my personality (or lack thereof) - it's a combination of things. I equate typing to the written word, which is a far more formal affair for me than it is with many within my own generation (and the younger ones). I also tend to externalize my thought process, treating myself as a character in a book or, in some cases, even a bit of a machine. I tend to keep my writing focused on functionality and reinforcing logic.

I have also suspected myself of something in the vein of Asperger's - an 'Autism Spectrum' 'disorder' that often comes with social awkwardness but a memory that can archive the most mundane of facts and recall them on a whim. Most of what intelligence I have comes from my ability to absorb and recall information to use when thinking about topics that are only related on a tangent. It generally means I can do some wicked theoretical engineering as I can often predict the existence of phenomena or the course of new material development in ways that most people don't see. Such as when I had first seen the reports on strained graphene producing 'the effects of' strong magnetic fields (not quite the same as a strong magnetic field) - then I suggested that it could be used to create a higher temperature Type-III superconductor (which exists in the presence of very strong magnetic fields - theoretically around neutron stars, electrons pair up and become bosons). Something like six years later, I find an obscure mention of a group modeling Type III superconducting behavior of strained graphene.

Which will ultimately lead to a superconducting 'switch.' Piezoelectric phenomena will be used to strain graphene layers (likely a boron nitride base) - which leads to a single dimension becoming superconductive. The inverse can be used to create a sort of 'switch' - or even a sort of 'transistor.' A superconducting coil could be discharged across a resistive load provided by the "switch" - which would produce a voltage (ohms law and all). Which means you can use a superconducting inductor like a high power capacitor. Though the costs of cooling it would relegate it to only the most extreme of applications (VASIMIR drives, perhaps).

It could also be that I lost my mother when I was 18, my father when I was 20, and was more serious about a girl than she was about me about the time my father passed. The combined experiences forced me to answer the questions I posed, earlier. Not just answer them - but resolve them.

Probably a combination of all the above.

In person, I perform far more goofy antics and pander to bone-dry humor than can be communicated on the internet. Such as how I have been taken off of my contacts (pending LASIK - can't be scrounging for contacts/glasses during the apocalypse, now can I?) and have been using an old pair of glasses - government issue - some of those thick-rimmed variety that function as Birth Control. In good spirit, I went ahead and put a piece of tape on the center just to see who noticed.

I'll put the trash bag over my head for a few moments just in case someone walks by, walk around with some random sticker on my head, and I always act confused when conversations turn to 'mature' discussions (further aided by the fact that I could pass for a freshman in high school when I shave).

I also am sure to have arguments with the equipment I am working on, or full-out discussions with the walls. It's rare for someone to walk by me and not bust out laughing over something I've got going on (admittedly, half the time I am not trying to be funny).

It's interesting, though. Other than the fact that we both can agree that the news is not reliable, we're pretty much polar opposites.

You intrigue me.

I believe that would make the feeling mutual.

Though I don't know if we're necessarily polar opposites.

Even if we are - I had a very interesting conversation with one of our cleaning people the other day, and he told me of how he ended up becoming the best of friends on an education trip with a Klan member in spite of his heritage.
 
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