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I've never been with another male, but I can say 'who cares about what society deems as normal'.To me, normal means 'average', and average is just plain boring. Conformity is just plain boring, but of course, because of circumstances we must follow certain rules.
Asexual...uhhh the very idea. I believe everyone can like both to a degree if they open their mind to it. It's only 'thought' combined with feeling, nothing more.Fear and discomfort of either gender parts is what prevents the attraction, i believe, and genetics only effect likelihood. Using every method to separate the people, even through sexuality. It's pathetic.

I take the stance that genetics affects how one develops while environment forms the reference and experiences build the individual before he/she tempers that identity with resolve.

They never will find a 'gay gene.' They never will find a 'gay upbringing.'

They will find interesting factors that play into it. For example, a fetus administered estrogen spikes at various intervals during development (which occurs for little-known reasons during some pregnancies) is very likely, statistically, to become homosexual.

I think the 'reasons' are a bit more shallow than most would like to admit. Humans are attracted to individual features, not necessarily a male or female archetype. An hour-glass figure draws most male eyes (apparently, even some homosexual guys) - further analysis might cause us to 'abort oggling procedures' - but everyone can point to pieces and parts about their partner that they find irresistibly attractive.

That's not to say that they don't find the person attractive - but relationships are largely a functional agreement - even a 'contract' - as much as they are a biochemical and supernatural attraction. Human mating characteristics are very similar to those of birds - generally monogamous with prolific amounts of cuckoldry as males and females leverage for political and genetic hereditary advantages.

This is talked about, extensively, in a book titled: "The Red Queen: *** and the Evolution of Human Nature" - which essentially makes the argument that much of our being has been developed around Red Queen evolutionary dynamics with individual competition for reproduction developing our complex behavioral structures.

I believe we're more than just an animal - but, by that same token, denying the animal that we are more than is giving it more power over our being than it deserves.

I'm really good at keeping discussions on topic. It's time for me to go to bed.
 

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Perfection and Doom are both subjective concepts.

The world is behaving exactly according to the laws of physics. People are behaving exactly as people behave.

It is the devil's logic that leads one to assume he/she is capable of conceiving greater than this existence. We are to perfect within our existence, not endeavor to spite it.

The Taoists were on to something.



If you need life to figure out why life is worth living... then you haven't really dealt with the question of what life is for.

Think about it logically. You are one life among billions. All of which claim the right to sentience. People are born and die every day, and the world goes on. Why have a world at all? By what process did this thing you call "consciousness" and "sentience" arise?

And if it all came about by chance, and everything you are ends with the chemical reactions in your brain... then... what -is- it all for?

What consequence is life or death?

Thinking about and answering these questions are very crucial parts of becoming a true individual. Otherwise - you simply put off solidifying your identity until you're standing at the edge of a bridge or placing a gun barrel to your temple with all the frustration to end it but the inexplicable hesitation.

And eventually, your life will throw you a series of challenges that will drive you to that point of wanting to give up. The experience is subjective. The first time you spill milk - it's a tragedy beyond compare. Then you stub your toe the next day and realize spilled milk isn't a big deal. Realizing others struggle with new experiences does little to curb your own struggle with a newly painful experience.

Negativity is also subjective. While it sounds cliche - the end of one era is always the beginning of a new era.

Whether that is a negative or positive outlook depends upon whether or not you choose to play a role in the ongoing renewal of the world.



To rule out selfish motivations on my own part would be foolish of anyone, including myself, to do. To argue that an individual posting on a forum does so without desiring attention would be entertaining, but foolish.

That said - it is an issue I am genuinely concerned about.

As for my personality (or lack thereof) - it's a combination of things. I equate typing to the written word, which is a far more formal affair for me than it is with many within my own generation (and the younger ones). I also tend to externalize my thought process, treating myself as a character in a book or, in some cases, even a bit of a machine. I tend to keep my writing focused on functionality and reinforcing logic.

I have also suspected myself of something in the vein of Asperger's - an 'Autism Spectrum' 'disorder' that often comes with social awkwardness but a memory that can archive the most mundane of facts and recall them on a whim. Most of what intelligence I have comes from my ability to absorb and recall information to use when thinking about topics that are only related on a tangent. It generally means I can do some wicked theoretical engineering as I can often predict the existence of phenomena or the course of new material development in ways that most people don't see. Such as when I had first seen the reports on strained graphene producing 'the effects of' strong magnetic fields (not quite the same as a strong magnetic field) - then I suggested that it could be used to create a higher temperature Type-III superconductor (which exists in the presence of very strong magnetic fields - theoretically around neutron stars, electrons pair up and become bosons). Something like six years later, I find an obscure mention of a group modeling Type III superconducting behavior of strained graphene.

Which will ultimately lead to a superconducting 'switch.' Piezoelectric phenomena will be used to strain graphene layers (likely a boron nitride base) - which leads to a single dimension becoming superconductive. The inverse can be used to create a sort of 'switch' - or even a sort of 'transistor.' A superconducting coil could be discharged across a resistive load provided by the "switch" - which would produce a voltage (ohms law and all). Which means you can use a superconducting inductor like a high power capacitor. Though the costs of cooling it would relegate it to only the most extreme of applications (VASIMIR drives, perhaps).

It could also be that I lost my mother when I was 18, my father when I was 20, and was more serious about a girl than she was about me about the time my father passed. The combined experiences forced me to answer the questions I posed, earlier. Not just answer them - but resolve them.

Probably a combination of all the above.

In person, I perform far more goofy antics and pander to bone-dry humor than can be communicated on the internet. Such as how I have been taken off of my contacts (pending LASIK - can't be scrounging for contacts/glasses during the apocalypse, now can I?) and have been using an old pair of glasses - government issue - some of those thick-rimmed variety that function as Birth Control. In good spirit, I went ahead and put a piece of tape on the center just to see who noticed.

I'll put the trash bag over my head for a few moments just in case someone walks by, walk around with some random sticker on my head, and I always act confused when conversations turn to 'mature' discussions (further aided by the fact that I could pass for a freshman in high school when I shave).

I also am sure to have arguments with the equipment I am working on, or full-out discussions with the walls. It's rare for someone to walk by me and not bust out laughing over something I've got going on (admittedly, half the time I am not trying to be funny).



I believe that would make the feeling mutual.

Though I don't know if we're necessarily polar opposites.

Even if we are - I had a very interesting conversation with one of our cleaning people the other day, and he told me of how he ended up becoming the best of friends on an education trip with a Klan member in spite of his heritage.

Okay, negativity is subjective. Economic collapse sure isn't positive. haha.

I guess it all depends on your own mentality.Glad you resolve your issues instead of bringing them up just to have an upper hand in the convo. You're more spiritually advanced than I thought. From the things I've seen you post in the past, one would think you weren't spiritual at all, but just an extreme enforcer who readily debunks any ideology that contraries his own. But that's not the case at all, i hope. I use to obsess over this thing with 'logic'...but then i said to myself,sure, we can all go by 'what makes the most sense', but is that always fair?Isn't their another way? Is the meaning of life just to conform, and not questioning the old rules? Things become corrupt over time...break it down, and build a new. We're always told 'there's no other way' or 'it's impossible'. Hell, I haven't come up with any effective ideas, so I'm just like 'forget it'.



I do believe we are two different sides of a spectrum...in terms of our outlook on the government. Most thing mainstream depress me. With with exception of a few musical artists.


Edit: And I do believe there're poisonous toxins in the environment that cause estrogen to spike. As for the spiking, I believe it effects the physical traits of the person which causes them to attract more males than females, or even identify with the female ego more.
 
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I find it interesting how you often remind people that you are older...and they are younger. Do you believe you claim superiority that way?...just a question.

That and he's in the service, I think?

OT: I say we all stop watching television, period. It's nothing but brainwashing junk and promotion of propaganda. It literally depresses me how almost everything aired on television is not of pure intentions.Anything can be corrupt especially if it's mainstream, in my opinion.

Agreed. I stopped watching TV years ago and I don't regret it one bit. Personally, I don't see why America gets scandalized whenever the idea of free healthcare is put forward. America already spends millions more on healthcare than countries who provide free healthcare and still don't do it. ACA's still a lot better than what America had before, but Faux News is right that it's still far from perfect as well, I'll give it that much. Only they're putting it out to discredit Obama more than saying anything out of concern for the people. If a Republican president invented the ACA, they would be praising it to the heavens and beyond.
 

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Where I work is already feeling the crunch. I work in Dialysis - normally, people with kidney failure die. Where I work makes life for these people possible because we have equipment and machines capable of cleaning the blood. Many of our patients have no choice but medicare (or some charity organization). When your kidneys stop working - it's kind of hard to maintain a job when you have to go sit in a chair for 3-4 hours and have your blood run through a machine (A home form of Dialysis called "PD" can be done overnight while one sleeps - but Americans have never been too privy to the idea - though it is all some other countries can afford).

But Medicare is expanding its demands upon the medical field without increasing monetary compensation. Medications used to be considered separate and paid for separately by patients. Now, anything related to Dialysis treatment, we have to pay for (but our payment per treatment is not increasing from medicare).

We have no choice but to start going through our patients with a fine-toothed comb and find out whether or not the medications they have been prescribed have to do with Dialysis, and it is going to become a bit of a fight for those patients to have those medications prescribed to them (by us).

Simply put - we just got told we had to spend more money to take care of patients but told we weren't getting any more money.

This, while they talk of raising our nation's minimum wage. Frankly, we'd have to eliminate positions. Which means lower technician-to-patient ratios. It also means increased costs at all ends for us.

We already have difficulty with staff retention because other Dialysis centers (that throw people out for missing payments) will pay higher wages. We will have no choice but to strip our staff to its bones and the care becomes disorganized... or ignore maintenance on our buildings. Either way - if that were to progress, the State would eventually come in and shut us down for not meeting regulations.

They enacted laws without regard for the consequences that would logically follow. It is why our nation is in the mess it is.

My aunt works as a Dialysis Nurse in UC Davis and their unit was almost dissolved due to budget cuts caused by Obamacare, luckily for her and her co-workers they weren't laid-off.
 

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What the hell is happening to this country?
Since when is safety more important than freedoms and the right to make decisions in your own life?
How can they tell us that we have the right to buy and run our own restaurant but we don't get to decide if someone can smoke in it?
How can they tell us that we have the right to vote at 18 but we can't drink until 21?
How can they tell us that we have to purchase health care?
How can they prosecute people for treason if they spy on the government then spy on their own people?
How can they tell us we have the right to bear arms in order to form a militia but restrict what we have the right to own while they build bigger and better weapons every day?
I've recently been read onto some things that really piss me off.
I'm on my last straw. First drone I see in American airspace I'm out.
 

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edit: the system bugged on me, didn't mean to double post. please delete.
 

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It's a 6,000 page law.

The law empowers the Department of Health and Human Services to 'make it up as it goes.'

Not a damned one of them can know what is going on.

In Obama's case - no editing is necessary. The guy simply can't speak without a teleprompter. The only reason to pay the guy any attention is that he knows how to deliver a speech. Give anything he says more than a passing thought, and any awe rapidly fades.

i'm sure the fox news reporter that delivered this piece used a teleprompter. but i agree that they handled that law very badly, like every politican they rushed to make the law without thinking about how it's going to happen. but i think that law should be, every congress member gets an extremly good governmant health care plan with subsidy from tax money. they get the best healthcare and barely pay anything for it. i'm sure if they had to pay the full price like US citizens do today this law wouldn't be getting so much hate.
 

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That was hilarious...until I remembered that this is actually happening in reality
 

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Okay, negativity is subjective. Economic collapse sure isn't positive. haha.

It is another beginning.

Bitcoin will replace the Dollar as the international standard 'reserve currency.' It will take the place of treasury bonds, the naturally deflationary aspect of bitcoin making it ideal for secure investment. Once established, it will be like gold in that its purchasing power remains fairly solid.

Gold and silver certificates or coinage will replace most currencies under decentralized banking. A few regional banks will emerge, and may eventually seek to centralize - but those markets will eventually hyper-inflate and collapse, as all central banks eventually do (because people are always foolish enough to believe they can control a fiat currency). No centralized bank will be able to usurp Bitcoin, though.

The only way they managed to usurp gold was through the convenience of 'bank wires.' Which Bitcoin shoots in the foot.

Change does not come easy. It takes work, and uncertainty must be braved - but it will be a world where you can strike out with your trades and the people who try to tell you that you can or can not perform your trade without paying a fee will be seen for the thugs they are (we currently call them 'consumer protection agencies').

Society will default to its natural state once the powers of government are no longer able to suspend the reality of nature.

I guess it all depends on your own mentality.Glad you resolve your issues instead of bringing them up just to have an upper hand in the convo. You're more spiritually advanced than I thought. From the things I've seen you post in the past, one would think you weren't spiritual at all, but just an extreme enforcer who readily debunks any ideology that contraries his own. But that's not the case at all, i hope. I use to obsess over this thing with 'logic'...but then i said to myself,sure, we can all go by 'what makes the most sense', but is that always fair?Isn't their another way? Is the meaning of life just to conform, and not questioning the old rules? Things become corrupt over time...break it down, and build a new. We're always told 'there's no other way' or 'it's impossible'. Hell, I haven't come up with any effective ideas, so I'm just like 'forget it'.

There are always options. The question is simply what actions will plausibly net the desired outcome.... and how wide your analysis is.

As Obama implied - Mandating that everyone buy a house would 'plausibly' end homelessness. It doesn't work out realistically when you broaden your thinking even the most minute amount. Similarly - I can print money and give it to people under the argument that it will bring about prosperity. It makes sense when you think within narrow terms.

Just like it does when we say: "we need the FDA" and "we need child protective services." Or: "Let's make something illegal."

If making things illegal worked - there would be no debate about gun control because murders would not happen. Murder is illegal. People often fail to realize that laws are a means of recourse for a population affected by a crime/criminal as opposed to a means to prevent an undesirable behavior.

But - you are right in that I do enjoy being the 'voice of dissent.' I've always seen praise as being relatively minimally productive in a social/discussion context. If people don't have much new or different to say or add - then they are a bit useless within the conversation.

Perhaps that is the 'machine' of my learning. Even if I disagree with someone - I'll still try to strip all the knowledge and experience from them that I can. I can be utilitarian in that regard - people are data-caches to be mined in support of my own intellect.

There are those who I truly open up to and treat as people... and I often overwhelm them.

I do believe we are two different sides of a spectrum...in terms of our outlook on the government. Most thing mainstream depress me. With with exception of a few musical artists.

I don't think we are as far apart on the spectrum as you would think. Our concerns are largely the same. You want good education for people, affordable healthcare, affordable housing, ample opportunity to expand within a career and grow as an individual, etc.

The difference is a very minute one - and once your perspective shifts in one area, it will rapidly shift in all of them.

It's security versus freedom. Do you want the security of those things? Or do you want the freedom of those things?

The easiest place to see this is in a discussion of careers/jobs.

Do you want a living wage? Or do you want there to be ample opportunity for you to grow an take on more responsibility that pays more?

People who argue the 'living wage' often lack the drive and ambition to take on more job responsibility. They argue: "I work hard, so I should be compensated with things I want." Under this perspective - a Janitor of 20 years deserves essentially equal job compensation as a person who has been a Dishwasher of 4 years, Shelf-stocker of 2 years, machinist of 4 years, department manager of 5 years, shift manager of 3 years and plant manager of 2 years.

On the other hand - a person who desires freedom does not focus on whether or not the current job they hold is going to contribute much to their retirement plan. They see opportunities to develop personal skills and testaments to their value that will enable them to move within the employment and entrepreneurial world very fluidly.

There are a lot of people who want the security of being able to have the life they desire regardless of the job they hold. This has been largely brought about by the inflation of the college degree. Many college students spent years of their lives and went considerably into debt in order to 'get a good job.'

Those jobs have not kept pace with inflation (and cannot keep pace with inflation), have been outsourced, etc. There is a whole generation that was convinced it was entitled to a more prosperous way of life but has been left to dry as America's industrial sector has evaporated.

I can understand why they would opt for security. They were made promises that have not been kept. Government administrations have done a good job of deflecting responsibility toward 'big corporations' and 'rich people' - fueling sentiments of class warfare (to further entrench voting populations - conservatives feel as if they are wrongfully under attack from liberals and vice-versa - so they rally behind the established parties very staunchly).

Given time, you'll understand that security is never a guarantee... and come to realize that all you want to do is to be left alone to make your own choices.

Edit: And I do believe there're poisonous toxins in the environment that cause estrogen to spike. As for the spiking, I believe it effects the physical traits of the person which causes them to attract more males than females, or even identify with the female ego more.

I don't think it is any one thing that 'causes' it. Numerous studies into the neurology of the brain have shown how the 'homeostatic' brain chemistry actually changes in response to behavioral therapy, meditation, etc. Chemical balances that were once thought to be almost exclusively genetic have been shown to be 'configurable' by the brain.

It's the 'butterfly effect' - small changes/additions to how a system starts can have very radical long-term implications for the system. It is how people are both 'born' and 'develop into' homosexuals. Different genetic 'starting points' and early chemical triggers can subtly shift development down an entirely different track, or change how a person reacts to common stimuli.

For example - if you were to 'switch' the sense of taste so that bitter was pleasurable while sweet was detestable - a person would develop eating habits that are radically different from the rest of us unless he were to 'learn to like' things he was disposed to disliking. Which can be done - the brain is a very pliable thing - but it's far from the path of least resistance.

My aunt works as a Dialysis Nurse in UC Davis and their unit was almost dissolved due to budget cuts caused by Obamacare, luckily for her and her co-workers they weren't laid-off.

It's slaughtering the industry.





What the hell is happening to this country?
Since when is safety more important than freedoms and the right to make decisions in your own life?
How can they tell us that we have the right to buy and run our own restaurant but we don't get to decide if someone can smoke in it?
How can they tell us that we have the right to vote at 18 but we can't drink until 21?
How can they tell us that we have to purchase health care?
How can they prosecute people for treason if they spy on the government then spy on their own people?
How can they tell us we have the right to bear arms in order to form a militia but restrict what we have the right to own while they build bigger and better weapons every day?
I've recently been read onto some things that really piss me off.
I'm on my last straw. First drone I see in American airspace I'm out.

Welcome to the club!

The main problem is this:

We are a nation that elects politicians to make decisions rather than a nation that makes the decision to elect representatives.

The more I look through history, the more I am convinced a model of government where we flip a coin each year and ritualistically sacrifice all elected officials if it lands on heads (and all appointed officials if it lands on tails) would have the most lasting integrity.

We could model it after The Hunger Games, or something. Let the lone winner be the president for a year, or something.

Perhaps I just have too much fascination with the idea of destroying things at this point in my life.

i'm sure the fox news reporter that delivered this piece used a teleprompter. but i agree that they handled that law very badly, like every politican they rushed to make the law without thinking about how it's going to happen. but i think that law should be, every congress member gets an extremly good governmant health care plan with subsidy from tax money. they get the best healthcare and barely pay anything for it. i'm sure if they had to pay the full price like US citizens do today this law wouldn't be getting so much hate.

That and he's in the service, I think?



Agreed. I stopped watching TV years ago and I don't regret it one bit. Personally, I don't see why America gets scandalized whenever the idea of free healthcare is put forward. America already spends millions more on healthcare than countries who provide free healthcare and still don't do it. ACA's still a lot better than what America had before, but Faux News is right that it's still far from perfect as well, I'll give it that much. Only they're putting it out to discredit Obama more than saying anything out of concern for the people. If a Republican president invented the ACA, they would be praising it to the heavens and beyond.

These two paragraphs are just flat-out incorrect.

The "Affordable Care Act" is fundamentally flawed in that it relies upon subsidies backed by bond offers to pay for the costs.

A full break-down of our country's economics is beyond the scope of this discussion - but what the ACA does, essentially, is this:

The Treasury issues bonds (promises to repay) with interest (meaning pay back more than what some investment firm handed them). These bonds cover the increased costs of health treatment. These are your "subsidies" that people get in the form of "Tax credits" to "offset the cost of insurance."

Then the government turns around and has to try and reclaim that investment in the form of taxes.

There is another system that does this, and is currently failing. Social Security.

I will not get it. You will not get it. We will pay into it, and there is the delusion that the money we are giving up in Social Security is being taken and wisely invested by our government to be returned to us. The reality is that our parents are getting their Social Security pay checks directly from the taxes collected today. When social security payments exceed social security revenues - our nation will effectively be going into debt and printing money to cover the costs.

This exact formula will play out under Obamacare - and already is, to a worse degree.

Medicare enrollments have far out-paced actual insurance policy applications. This is raw added expense to the government. The other unfortunate reality is that the people who are applying for private side insurance are those with pre-existing conditions (who are now being declined, by the way) and the chronically ill.

Not single insurance company on the healthcare exchanges -can- turn a profit. Most will run extraordinary deficits.

Which will require another 'government bail-out.' While the President says there will be no bail-out, there are specific provisions within the law that allow health insurance companies to be reimbursed by the government. So his statements are false, or he plans to try and over-ride the law by executive fiat.

The argument that it is 'better' than 'what we had' is absolutely false.



While there are a few states that do see reductions in premiums - the reality is that those come at the expense of government-subsidies (taxes and/or inflation) and also come at the reduction of network doctors/facilities - and almost all come with a higher deductible.

It is the lie that more regulation will improve the market.

If you want healthcare to become affordable in this country, you will get rid of the FDA. Preferably execute everyone affiliated with it - it is a criminal organization, plain and simple:

There is no such thing as good regulation. As we are ensuring our facility is in compliance with State and Federal regulations - the fact of the matter is that "It depends upon which surveyor you get."

That individual surveyor has the power to shut down an entire medical institution and also has the responsibility to ensure patient safety. We can feed half of them bullshit the entire time and they'll rubber-stamp the thing. Another quarter of them are mini-dictators. The remaining quarter (or less) actually tries to do their job honestly.

It is just bad.

We should get rid of controlled/regulated substances. Enforce fraud penalties/punishments (IE - if someone is selling 'watered down' or incorrectly labeled medications - hit them with fraud charges, that is what courts are for). Otherwise - let people buy and sell whatever substances they want. There will be third-party certifications and surveyors who will give their stamps of approval to quality distributors who know what they are doing.

That would mean fewer people going to the doctor to get a prescription. It would also open up the social issues of drug addictions rather than forcing them underground. Prescription medication addictions/abuse could be treated like alcohol abuse (and would be as obvious) rather than implied by the disappearance of prescription medications from people's medicine cabinets.

That would radically reduce the costs of treatment:





Health Insurance is guilty of the same logical fallacy - by trading liberty for security you end up with neither.

Why?

I'll quote:

"The Integris bill for the same nasal procedure went to Blue Cross of Oklahoma, so the patient had no compelling reason to question its outrageous markups. They included a $360 charge for a steroid called dexamethasone, which can be purchased wholesale for just 75 cents. Or the three charges totaling $630 for a painkiller called fentanyl citrate, which all together cost the hospital about $1.50."

From:

Insurance companies end up eating the costs of completely unreasonable charges (not helped by the fact that our culture views doctors as mechanics that can 'operate' like a mechanic restores a car) and have to pass them on to the consumers. This raises costs unnecessarily.

There are also numerous parts of our healthcare culture that are expensive. In Dialysis, for example, there exists a form of dialysis known as PD - it is a much more simple and cost-effective form of Dialysis that can be done while you sleep (and at home). But that is just not what Americans want to put up with. It's an unpopular form of Dialysis (oddly enough), and it does require a bit more lifestyle management.

Americans tend to prefer the clinical environment.

One nurse told a story of a man who came into the hospital with poor circulation in his legs - to the point they would end up needing to be amputated. He was told that he needed to stop smoking (which was thought to be the primary contributing factor) and straighten up or he would end up needing his legs amputated.

He requested that they simply go ahead and amputate his legs.

Of course - the doctors and hospital wouldn't do it... but it reflects America's attitude toward healthcare. We view the healthcare process as similar to our bodies being a car. We replace parts on it and have it 'tuned up.' We buy performance fluids (medications) to extend our operating life or meet some end goal. We don't view healthcare as a process and dynamic interaction where surgery and medications are the extremes of the solutions available.

Which is why our country has some of the best surgeons and operating technologies/procedures on the planet. Bar none. We also have some of the greatest availability of these assets. Brain surgery is not uncommon. Knee surgeries are routine. Back/spine surgeries are frequent.

Our health care industry reflects our culture. Unfortunately - the "general practitioner" has been hit the hardest by combinations of regulations and our perspective shift away from the family physician.

Which is where most of our basic care comes from.

More regulations and more government don't fix that. Getting rid of regulations and allowing people to start up the business of taking care of the medical needs of others fixes that.

You have to understand our country's health care system before you can fix it.

Unfortunately - most people just read a few statistics quoted by media buzz and decide they have been informed.
 

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Entirely hypothetically speaking (do not want to end up on a watch list) have you ever thought about how easy a military coup would be?
Remember what a few good old boys from Tennessee were able to accomplish in a certain other country.
 

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Entirely hypothetically speaking (do not want to end up on a watch list) have you ever thought about how easy a military coup would be?
Remember what a few good old boys from Tennessee were able to accomplish in a certain other country.

Give someone like us a small company, and we could pretty easily decapitate the whole federal government. The Presidential line of succession cleaned four to five tiers, and only a few members of congress would evade the remote detachments that would take them out in their home states.

The Secret Service has declined, horribly, in their quality of training over the years. They run scripted routines where the good guys always win and things always go according to plan. The moral fabric of the organization is deteriorating, and we have the contacts to get the information necessary to know where to hit. The general grounds securing the Federal Building are camera watchers, not real security forces. The recent incident involving the lady who rammed the gate illustrates how completely pathetic their security has become.

An outright military coupe where a much larger force openly operated?

It would be much messier. A lot of collateral damage, loyalist military forces would rally and oppose. There would be a lot of fratricide.

In both cases, the destruction of the current system is the easy part. That's always the case in coupes and revolutions.

The real challenge is -after- the status quo has been destroyed. There will be those who reject the ideology of those who overthrew the government - and if we're already shooting to solve the problem, the sentiment will be returned. Even those of the 'conservative' ideology do not completely agree, and a military coupe would trigger extreme paranoia regarding a police state, likely prompting a series incidents that serve as self-fulfilling prophecies (you know how protesters will push the envelope, some idiot riot guy shoots someone in the head with a tear gas canister, and all hell breaks loose and each side uses it to reinforce the stereotype).

That will be the real mess. Getting everyone to settle down long enough to draft up a Constitution and even determine who wants to be a part of what nation will be the difficult part.

Which is why we haven't had an armed insurrection, yet. Most of us who see the problems on the horizon also see the flaw in our impulse reaction to start shooting. It's hard to stop once you start. That, and I know very well that I am resolved enough to kill members of my own family if it comes to it. I don't hate them - but I will not have my children growing up in a world where someone else is always commanding them under threat of financial or physical harm.

It may be a tad hypocritical, but I know that there are people out there who just will not stop trying to force us into compliance with their way of life... and will refuse to let us have separate domains. It's an impasse where one side must submit to the other, and I have no desire to take slaves.
 

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A full break-down of our country's economics is beyond the scope of this discussion - but what the ACA does, essentially, is this:

The Treasury issues bonds (promises to repay) with interest (meaning pay back more than what some investment firm handed them). These bonds cover the increased costs of health treatment. These are your "subsidies" that people get in the form of "Tax credits" to "offset the cost of insurance."

Then the government turns around and has to try and reclaim that investment in the form of taxes.

There is another system that does this, and is currently failing. Social Security.

More than being a fault of the system, it's a fault of the people who organize and run it. Plenty of other nations provide free healthcare, with funds coming from tax revenue, and pay far less toward healthcare than the US does. The US has every means to provide free healthcare. The problem isn't free healthcare itself but people who keep blocking any opportunities for the proper provision of such things for the sake of money and paying off lobbyists. That's the real problem that needs to be addressed. It's easy for you to point fingers when you're in the service and getting free healthcare anyways, but it's different for people who can't even get up to go to work due to disability.
 

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More than being a fault of the system, it's a fault of the people who organize and run it. Plenty of other nations provide free healthcare, with funds coming from tax revenue, and pay far less toward healthcare than the US does.

Propaganda.







You must understand the difference between our healthcare systems, as I explained.

The U.S. has exceptional care and standards. We are, bar none, the best country to seek medical treatment in the world.

The problem is that our system has unnecessarily inflated costs due to bureaucratic obfuscation of costs to the consumer (costs are shell-gamed from doctors through hospitals to insurance companies before finally being reflected in premiums - the cost break-down of which is beyond the scope of what many can appreciate).

Regulatory requirements have -killed- the 'family doctor.' By artificially restricting the number of licensed doctors, the number of doctors in the field have remained relatively unchanged while the number of specialties have increased and the population growing geometrically.

Doctors that used to be general practitioners end up becoming specialists because the pay is better, the work-load lighter, and the liability more manageable.

This means most Americans do not have regular contact with medical professionals familiar with the history of the individuals and the family. The doctor that made house calls has all but evaporated under our regulatory healthcare environment largely subsidized by medicare.

The US has every means to provide free healthcare.

And you have every means to pay for my lunch.

Let me put my uniform on, sling my rifle, and participate in a healthy discussion about the prosperity that will be had if I have a free lunch.

The problem isn't free healthcare itself but people who keep blocking any opportunities for the proper provision of such things for the sake of money and paying off lobbyists.

The problem is that people think there is such a thing as free healthcare.

It is not free.

Even if we were to -not- tax the population, the issuing of bonds to cover the debt expand the currency supply - which ultimately leads to inflation.

Inflation is a hidden tax that benefits those who can spend the printed currency prior to its inflationary effects being felt.

In other words - if you had an economy where there was a total of $100 in circulation, and you wanted to inflate the supply by 3% - you could print $3. Whoever is given the printed money then gets $3 worth of goods/services. But now there is 103 dollars for the same amount of economic activity. Which means all of those previous $100 bills lose purchasing power - each one only being able to buy what 0.97 dollars would have, before.

Eventually, the $3 is paid back with $1 interest on the bond - which leads to a net deflation of the currency supply.

"So... we get our taxes back!"

Not really. In fiat currency systems (such as ours), spending will always out-pace revenues. This is because of the very structure, which authorizes currency production using interest-paying bonds. Basically - it says: "If you give us the ability to make $100, we will pay you back $105". That extra $5 has to be incorporated into a new bond at a later date (with $1 of interest paid on it, or whatever).

"Uh... Aim, we can just tax people."

That invariably leads to a biased system where the young and working are taxed to support the old and retired.

"but-"

And I really don't like the idea of holding a gun to the head of my children and telling them to give up their pay in order for me to not have to worry about surviving, and I reject the authority of those who insist that is the way I and they will live.

My children will not be taxed to support me, and you will not tax them to support you - just as I do not expect or want your children to be shouldered in whole or in part with my burdens. They are my responsibility and my afflictions. They are not the domain of government, and they are not the domain of society.

If you want others to pay for you - then you can go to one of the dozens of failing socialist states that does and wait in line like everyone else.

That's the real problem that needs to be addressed. It's easy for you to point fingers when you're in the service and getting free healthcare anyways, but it's different for people who can't even get up to go to work due to disability.

Stay your tongue before you make further assumptions.

You want my story?

June 24, 1988; St. John's Mercy Hospital - roughly 11:00 AM. My mother is in labor - I'm dead. My father is all but certain he is going to have to see his first child stillborn. A bacterial infection that my mother's Gynecologist missed degraded the placenta and I was being 'born' two months early. This was 1988 - five years prior, I'd have hardly stood a chance. My heart stopped multiple times during 'birth,' and when that was said and done, I could fit into the palm of my father's hand.

Odds of me growing up with severe physical and learning disabilities were high. I was supposed to have a weak immune system and be a sickly child.

While I have no doubt a number of people would consider me crazy - I'm the one they ask to explain how things work and fix things. They just don't like being told that their assumptions about the way things work in the world are delusional and they will be in for a rude awakening.

Everything is always just fine with 'no indication' of impending catastrophe... until it's not.

But that's a tangent discussion.

Doing stupid things that kids normally do - I probably should have died only a thousand times. And I'm considered a relatively reserved and cautious person.

In 2003, my mother is diagnosed with an inflammatory breast cancer. I enlist as a contract reservist in 2006 out of high school with ambitions of doing some work as an Avionics technician while completing college so I can go into an officer program and become a pilot. I chose the reserve track because I wanted to be able to help out my family where I could. In hind-sight, it may have been a better option to go off and completely do my own thing - but it's difficult to evaluate the consequences of the path not taken.

June 20th, 2007 - the day I graduate from my "Intermediate Level AT" school and am slated to return home. My mother had been diagnosed terminal two weeks prior. We had discussed it - and we decided that I should finish up my school rather than taking emergency leave when she could go on for weeks, months, years - no one knew... and then have to re-take the last four weeks of class. She passed away that morning.



This research was presented to my mother's doctor after she was diagnosed terminal. The drug has a history of use in humans. It's affordable. Could he oversee a 'hail Mary?'

No. The FDA had not approved the drug for cancer treatment. Even though safe dosage levels had been established through previous trials, he would lose his license if it could be shown he was even so much as seeing her with the knowledge she was consuming that substance.

Doctors are not allowed to be doctors in our nation. I can open a book of regulations and do the job of a doctor. In fact, I do. A doctor signs off on papers I write. Complex diagnosis and innovative treatment are a forbidden realm under the FDA. "House" is wishful thinking. In the real world - he'd lose his license.

Reservists don't get free healthcare. We get marginal healthcare deducted from our pay if we so choose.

My experiences with the military's health care system have also taught me many lessons about free healthcare. Water and Ibuprofen. That is the general prescription for all ailments. Serious treatment is heavily evaluated and subject to review boards. Even so, the 'low cost' of this system is due to the fact that a hospital corpsman is paid the same as every one else in the military, will come to work each day, and is locked into his/her job responsibilities.

In other words - the military is a voluntary communist system enforced through draconian law. That is why it "works." "You are a corpsman, you give people shots."

"Yes sir!"

"You are a Culinary Specialist, you will cook food."

"Yes sir."

"You smart ****ers - I don't care if you play D&D in the galley after hours, but keep the damned reactor running or we all die!"

"Yes sir!"

There is also the fact that the military is primarily comprised of males aged 18-25 who have lower healthcare costs on the whole. Most of our injuries -can- be treated with antiseptic, bandages, and food. While injuries do happen - they are statistically lower within our global population than amongst civilians.

You don't want that system in the civilian world. Healthcare rationing will have to be implemented. You will have to sit before a panel of bureaucrats and explain why you deserve the kidney transplant more than the person who was in your chair five minutes ago and the person who will be there five minutes after you leave.

If you're young, have a family and/or solid career - your chances are good. If you are old and don't have a family - your chances are not so good. Want to use the money in your retirement plan to save/extend your life? No-can-do on the legal market. You will work with what is offered to you and have to take your interests to another country if you want to let someone make a profit off of extending your life before you die.

And only the most passionate of people will even bother to enter healthcare. They will be over worked, under paid, and under increasing amounts of attention from government regulators who will be laying out an increasing list of guidelines for what they are supposed to (or allowed to) do. Opportunities to grow within the medical field decline - nurses become so important that they cannot be allowed to become doctors or surgeons.

"But we live in a free country!"

With free money coming from the government. If you want to work in healthcare and be paid a living wage, you'll comply with the standards set forth. Socialism is subjecting the individual to the will of a system. It is not freedom in the slightest.

May 2nd, 2010, my father does not wake up.

At this point, I hadn't truly recovered from losing my mother. While I'd taken college courses through high school (my senior year, I never set foot in the high school building) - I had completely dropped out of college at this point. Employment had been shoddy at best, and I was only beginning to make progress after meeting a girl who I truly felt I would end up marrying. In the following weeks she'd cheat on me and I'd lose all sense of self and ambition. I would shift between times where I stayed up for 48+ hours straight, and sleep for 48+ hours. I had a bridge picked out (refused to add myself to a gun control advocate's statistics), as well a few spiteful places to leave my body.

Eventually, while trying to stay at the house alone, I couldn't escape the sound of a blood-curdling, yet silent scream through the house. Coats were people in my peripheral vision, and I realized it was time to leave. A few old friends from high school and a restaurant I'd worked at took me in as a room mate, and I slowly started to put some kind of function back together.

Things turned around when I got accepted for a deployment with a security unit. Went overseas, did things, was being paid, and came back almost a new person. I eventually networked within that unit and got a job working in Dialysis as a machine/biomed tech. Which, come to find out, is code-word for "building maintenance manager and general problem solver."

I've got my own apartment, have income that is enough to meet my needs, some excesses, and still allow me to save. Most importantly - I have the knowledge and confidence that I will survive.

I know what our employees do, and what our company does in order to keep our patients alive.

"Can't get up to go to work due to a disability?"

We take care of people who will -die- if they do not sit in a chair for a minimum of four hours a day, three times a week while blood is pumped out of their body, through a machine, and returned to them.

Our employer universally pays lower than the industry standard. It is a non-profit company that accepts patients who have been spotty on their payment history and health insurance/coverage eligibility. Many of them have been booted out of other dialysis clinics because of their inability to meet payments.

So, please, tell me all about people with disabilities. Tell me how I don't understand, and how I'm just a cruel and heartless person.

It couldn't be that there is more to the system that you have yet to learn. You've been blessed with the wisdom of society and the logic of progressivism, bringing light into the darkened corners of society.
 
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