DSM Kabuto vs. EMS Madara
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I firmly believe this statement is wrong.
I think he regained his full size while he was inside Naruto.
Why ? [
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] I find ithard to believe that Kurama is 7 times bigger than the rest of the Biju's, which would mean
he is almost Juubi size. the only thing he currently miss is a part of his chakura.
Brother Numpsay
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Its always with the same argument with scaling. Kyuubi chakra Cloak in Naruto's BM is BIGGER then that 50 Kurama, fact!
If you look at 50 Kurama against trees, before sealed in Naruto, 50 Kurama Palms can't even dwarf small trees!
Naruto BM chakra Cloak CAN!
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If you look at 50 Kurama against trees, before sealed in Naruto, 50 Kurama Palms can't even dwarf small trees!
Naruto BM chakra Cloak CAN!
(Still writing my other post)
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Sorry, even as the biggest Kabuto fan on the base- Kabuto is not winning this in the long-run, his abilities without ET are too small-scale for someone of Madara's calibur. Kabuto has Manda II which seems to be his trump card but in the long-run Kabuto hasn't got enough to put Madara down, just to delay, stun and maybe temporarily paralyse him.
Kabuto could survive this matchup but you've made it to the death so that's irrelevant.
Kabuto could survive this matchup but you've made it to the death so that's irrelevant.
Incorrect, as multiple panels forecast the size difference between Naruto's Bijuu mode and 100% Kurama. Prime example would be, Madara, 184cm being a dot compared to its head, while Naruto, 166cm is close to 50% Kurama's head size [
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100% Kurama was Two times bigger than new kurama.
whoever said he was 7 times bigger is kuku catchu
whoever said he was 7 times bigger is kuku catchu
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I agree with -Sasuke, could it be just a hyperbole? Look how big Juubi is compared to half of Kurama. Timing it by seven would be a least Juubi size.
PS would be near Juubi size then, :|
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Don't take kishi's drawings too serious. you showed me this scan [
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]Here Naruto obviously is alot smaller inside of Kurama.
Then here we have madara who is not that far away from the Hashirama and Kyuubi [
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] The wood statue is as big as the 100% kyuubi and then we have this scan [
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] which is basically the same size as the pick you showed me with Naruto being inside Kurama.
I have some more pics if its really needed but Kishimoto doesn't care about the drawing size.
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@KG65 we can have a whole argument around whos fast, whos faster, and etc. But instead of having pages of pages of our interpretation, these characters are fast, period. In your case of how you view Kabuto as "meh" speed, does that conclude that my premise of predicting and dodging PS swing invalid? And that only Madara and Hashirama are only capable of doing?
@Shelke who said anything about simultaneously? Learning both of these jutsu requires different hand signs. Once once hand seal is done and the jutsu is release, he has to make another hand sign and touch the ground. Naruto characters have shown to do this since part 1 lol, there is no speculation. P.S. back up your words too as some claims aren't even making sense. All it takes is to hyper link your words to know what you are talking about. Then I can properly counter your claims.
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As we should already know, Manda II had only one panel, meaning he rarely has feats to put up with Manda I. But as Kabuto stated:
We HAVE to make that rational thought to what Kishimoto had displayed to Manda II, by Kabuto's statement. Meaning if you look at Manda I feats Speed[
But my main focus here is Manda II ability to Shed:
Kabuto already developed his own Shedding Technique[
Since Manda II was created during the time of behind of the scenes of War Arc, we CANNOT go back and give him the inferior version of Shedding in Part 1[
It is a FACT that Kabuto shared this trait with his Summonings[
So even if you make a case of Manda II effortlessly getting cut and destroyed, it doesn't matter! Like all of Kabuto summon, revert to body fluids Kabuto created(no not water) and back to good as new[
Cutting him up is all useless! If you still think he is weak? Manda II also has limbs that Kabuto can Buff up like all his other Snakes in his command[
Wrong! This technique Kabuto was using was called Hidden Snakes[
I bold that important part for you. We have seen many times, especially from Sasuke who had exposes where the snakes are coming from when summoned[
Edit: Even Orochimaru's mouth![
You still think that's not enough? Ok that's fine as Kabuto also has Orochimaru in him.
So what? Have you forgotten Orochimaru also has a contract with the Snakes?
With Orochimaru present on his body, means Kabuto can use Twice the amount of Summoning roaming in the area!
Kabuto uses up his blood contract and he makes Orochimaru use up his blood contract, simple[
Kabuto can have two fodder Snakes attack[
Madara wouldn't even know when to begin slashing as some Snakes can crawl up underground(Manda II) and up[
That's not all! Kabuto can make Orochimaru go 8 Branch while he is at it[
PS effortlessly slash through 8 branch too? Thats fine! as it has its regeneration powers as his 1st White Snake form[
Not only that, but Orochimaru's true form also carries poison that vaporizes in the air, which is undetectable on air[
Now some maybe wonder if Kabuti can even attempt with without some type of toll, for consequence.
Nope! He has nature, an outside source, that he can constantly gather while moving! And guess what:
Kabuto is simply a living Edo, lmao.
@Shelke who said anything about simultaneously? Learning both of these jutsu requires different hand signs. Once once hand seal is done and the jutsu is release, he has to make another hand sign and touch the ground. Naruto characters have shown to do this since part 1 lol, there is no speculation. P.S. back up your words too as some claims aren't even making sense. All it takes is to hyper link your words to know what you are talking about. Then I can properly counter your claims.
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Why Manda II Is Broken
As we should already know, Manda II had only one panel, meaning he rarely has feats to put up with Manda I. But as Kabuto stated:
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We HAVE to make that rational thought to what Kishimoto had displayed to Manda II, by Kabuto's statement. Meaning if you look at Manda I feats Speed[
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], Sense[
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], and Shedding[
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]. Manda II is simply greater.But my main focus here is Manda II ability to Shed:
Kabuto already developed his own Shedding Technique[
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]! Since Manda II was created during the time of behind of the scenes of War Arc, we CANNOT go back and give him the inferior version of Shedding in Part 1[
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]!It is a FACT that Kabuto shared this trait with his Summonings[
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]. Not only that but they have the recovery power integrated on them TOO[
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]<-Last panel!So even if you make a case of Manda II effortlessly getting cut and destroyed, it doesn't matter! Like all of Kabuto summon, revert to body fluids Kabuto created(no not water) and back to good as new[
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]!Cutting him up is all useless! If you still think he is weak? Manda II also has limbs that Kabuto can Buff up like all his other Snakes in his command[
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]!NO, Kabuto Snakes That Have This Ability, is "Kabuto splitting his body in portions", Not His Summons
Wrong! This technique Kabuto was using was called Hidden Snakes[
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](Kishimoto's statement):^^^^
I bold that important part for you. We have seen many times, especially from Sasuke who had exposes where the snakes are coming from when summoned[
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]. It coming out of his body so its it part of Sasuke? Not at all as stated by Kishimoto!Snake Summonings are the only Summons shown to be able to use the blood from your body and come out from your flesh. And NO do not make a case that it only comes from your hands as Orochimaru and Kabuto already shown it can come out in any open space [
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] Which Databook described:Kabuto's Personal Summoning can do it, period!
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You still think that's not enough? Ok that's fine as Kabuto also has Orochimaru in him.
So what? Have you forgotten Orochimaru also has a contract with the Snakes?
With Orochimaru present on his body, means Kabuto can use Twice the amount of Summoning roaming in the area!
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Kabuto uses up his blood contract and he makes Orochimaru use up his blood contract, simple[
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]!Kabuto can have two fodder Snakes attack[
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] while Manda II can attack[3]. All that to distract and warn out even PS, who attempt to slash all the way "through victory".Madara wouldn't even know when to begin slashing as some Snakes can crawl up underground(Manda II) and up[
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] (Same exact tactic as Manda I). some will directly attack, fodder snakes, and all while he can't see where Kabuto will be hiding since snakes will be everywhere for him to see and detect[
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](Focus on First two Panels).That's not all! Kabuto can make Orochimaru go 8 Branch while he is at it[
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]!PS effortlessly slash through 8 branch too? Thats fine! as it has its regeneration powers as his 1st White Snake form[
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].Not only that, but Orochimaru's true form also carries poison that vaporizes in the air, which is undetectable on air[
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]! It will bypass Sussanoo! To bad Madara doesn't have something to seal off 8 branch before it takes effects, or Yata.Now some maybe wonder if Kabuti can even attempt with without some type of toll, for consequence.
Nope! He has nature, an outside source, that he can constantly gather while moving! And guess what:
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Kabuto is simply a living Edo, lmao.
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I don't see how EMS Madara gets past Tayuya's genjutsu, honestly.
Otherwise, he would win mid-high difficulty.
Otherwise, he would win mid-high difficulty.
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That is a speed feat. I'm not inclined to debate with you over manga panels. If you believe he left off panel, prove it.
lol, and this is the guy talking about fanfiction huh?
1. Hachibi being big as a Mountain is obviously false. All the nonsense you posted completely ignores the factual measurements I gave. PS dwarfs gates that are around Hachibi in size yet you are sitting here telling me that PS is the same size as Hachibi? Rofl...its not like I expected anything good from someone who is arguing DSM Kabuto beating EMS Madara.
2. Hachibi being as big as Mountain is supported by anything in your scans. Why don't you explain to me how
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relates to him being as big as a Mountain when there is no Mountain in the picture to compare him with.3. Not all Mountains are even the same size.
All in all, your measurements fail, very very hard.
Saying PS is a lot bigger than Manda is supported by manga canon.
Then when it comes back up it dies to the attack. I have no reason to believe Manda II is going to be able to get its whole body into the ground before the slash hits it anyway.
lol? What in the world are you even talking about? PS has legs so sand is obviously not going to get inside, and fly up from the ground? Lol, dafuq? He is at the top of PS in the diamond.
Chakra is what makes the Sand more durable than normal, when you can provide proof that life energy will yield the same results you'll have a point, until then. You're wrong just like everything in your post.
Are we reading the same manga? Not even a full Ribcage was needed to tank this weak ass attack. [
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-Kabuto never avoided an Amaterasu aimed at him like Ay did, it was to cancel Muki Tensei and block Kabuto off, so I hope you aren't trying to equate them when it comes to speed, especially since Itachi effortlessly kept up with him.
-Wasn't able to avoid Tsunade? Lmao, please give me scans of this, cause as far as I know, no such thing exists. Are we really taking the Kabuto wank this far? Smh... Not to mention Madara's physical abilities increased after being revived, hence him smashing the Gates despite being unable to do so as an Edo.
Itachi easily kept up with him, yet he's faster than someone who can blitz SM Naruto...
Lol
lol, if you're going to make stuff up, at least make sure there isn't something in the manga that clearly disproves it. You can see Itachi looking at Kabuto. [
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Not to mention Hakugeki is timed as the manga shows.
There is no struggle. Manda charges at Susanoo to try and take it down, then PS obliterates it. Manda is never going to touch Susanoo, period.
Everything that counters this is above.
-Senju DNA never made an attack's scale increase.
-Rinnegan never did such a thing either.
-Edo Tensei doesn't increase chakra pools.
All you did was reply with the same stuff from your previous post. Bring some proof this time.
You pretty much have zero proof that he's capable of it, so there is nothing more to discuss on the topic unless you bring some definitive evidence.
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lol @ your post EjBlack....just lol.
-You can see Kabuto's voice coming out of his snakes multiple times during that chapter.
-He states that the Suigetsu ability is where HE sloughs off his skin using his body fluid. His snakes were never mentioned here.
-After a snake heals with Karin's ability, he says that HE has impressive recovery abilities.
Yet you believe all his snakes have them and you even believe the snakes (That Kabuto was talking from) that are stated to be his body fluids once the shedding tech is used, aren't Kabuto? lmao.
Anyone not reading the manga with bias toward Kabuto can easily tell that those snakes were him and he was those snakes. Same entity, hence it using an ability Kabuto stated was his, hence his voice coming out of them multiple times.
Not surprised, but you have no conclusive evidence that shows that Manda II can use Kabuto's technique, not one shred of evidence. Nor do you have evidence that he was using the Shadow Snakes Technique or whatever its called.
You say two fodder snakes are going to attack PS and wear it out (Lol, not even sure if serious) even though they will all die with one strike, especially since your evidence for them being able to shed like Kabuto can is flawed as hell.
Madara's AoE is so with PS's slash that he doesn't need to aim specifically at any snake, so this nonsense:
Oh yeah, I'm also not interested in anything you have to say on the matter of Eight Branches having regenerative abilities, cause Itachi easily cut off all its heads (Madara will fodderize it) and not once were there any signs of regeneration. The DB doesn't even state it can regenerate either.
Kabuto gets fodderized by Madara. All you and UchihaNagashi have shown is that you can't support Kabuto here without:
-Making things up.
-Misinterpreting Manga Panels.
-Overrating his abilities.
and etc.
-You can see Kabuto's voice coming out of his snakes multiple times during that chapter.
-He states that the Suigetsu ability is where HE sloughs off his skin using his body fluid. His snakes were never mentioned here.
-After a snake heals with Karin's ability, he says that HE has impressive recovery abilities.
Yet you believe all his snakes have them and you even believe the snakes (That Kabuto was talking from) that are stated to be his body fluids once the shedding tech is used, aren't Kabuto? lmao.
Anyone not reading the manga with bias toward Kabuto can easily tell that those snakes were him and he was those snakes. Same entity, hence it using an ability Kabuto stated was his, hence his voice coming out of them multiple times.
Not surprised, but you have no conclusive evidence that shows that Manda II can use Kabuto's technique, not one shred of evidence. Nor do you have evidence that he was using the Shadow Snakes Technique or whatever its called.
You say two fodder snakes are going to attack PS and wear it out (Lol, not even sure if serious) even though they will all die with one strike, especially since your evidence for them being able to shed like Kabuto can is flawed as hell.
Madara's AoE is so with PS's slash that he doesn't need to aim specifically at any snake, so this nonsense:
lol, not happening. He swings his blade and every snake on the field dies. Simple as that.
Oh yeah, I'm also not interested in anything you have to say on the matter of Eight Branches having regenerative abilities, cause Itachi easily cut off all its heads (Madara will fodderize it) and not once were there any signs of regeneration. The DB doesn't even state it can regenerate either.
Kabuto gets fodderized by Madara. All you and UchihaNagashi have shown is that you can't support Kabuto here without:
-Making things up.
-Misinterpreting Manga Panels.
-Overrating his abilities.
and etc.
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But I never said simultaneously did I?
Claims like "If Sasuke was able to pin him with a Katana then Madara is no different."
-Lmao, means nothing, as Snake Summoning specialty in the manga is to concealed things in their stomach, fact!
-Which means nothing once again, as the scan shows the snakes being an example of what he is talking about lmao.
-Once again mean nothing as the scans shows the snakes being the example!
-Yup as the manga supports it, which I backed up. Read every point before you even try to mix claims up!
-Once again your claim means nothing as Kabuto talking out of a snake (which infact was INSIDE the snake lmao), then later puked out[
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-No I didn't don't switch my words around, I stated 2 fodder snakes and Manda II . And once again do not take my words out of context as those 2 fodders are not Kabuto's personal summons, which I stated the ability of shedding and regenerating are only for Kabuto personal snakes.
-That is completely a wanked statement as PS slash isn't 360 effect and my stated the Snakes being in the same direction.
-Wank wank wank. No where had PS have the ability to destroy everything around him, as the AoE focues on a single point from its slash. If your claim was true then this swing would do MORE then jutsu cut everything the shockwave can cover[
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-Aren't reading correctly.
-Ignoring whats backed up
-Wanking PS slash
-etc.
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Then here we have madara who is not that far away from the Hashirama and Kyuubi [x] The wood statue is as big as the 100% kyuubi
watch your fukking language