The Mystery Man is not Kabuto

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  • I agree somewhat, but I agree that Kabuto is not the mysterious person.

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  • I disagree, but I do agree that Kabuto is not the mysterious person

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Mille Ignis

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Wiki is made by fans. Its not some site which only contains facts, so I dont find it strong in terms of proof.
It used to say on that site that Itachi was evil, until it was revealed that he wasnt.
Basically it has lot of good info, but it is still made by fans, who have acces to the manga,
just as you and I and who can know basically just as much.
Well I guess to conclude this argument, I guess I ought to say this.

The fact the Wiki is not a credible source for research doesn't mean that it's wrong to use as basic reference material. Yes, the Wiki is written by fans, but it is also edited by the fans. If a fan sees that something is wrong they can change it. So the Wiki may not be credible but it is mostly reliable.

Have a good night. We will see in two to three days.
 

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Shisui is dead. Danzo had his right shoulder/arm as the vessel for his senju DNA and sharingan holders. Shisui is dead get over it. Itachi last saw him w no eyes and both arms. Shisui probably wandered off and was eventually found by Danzo and his men. It is kabuto get the hell over it.
Exactly this. Who the heck is talking about Shisui? Shisui is dead and long gone, and there hasn't been ANY place where he could have been revived. The only people capable of bringing Shisui back are:

1) Nagato (and he was sealed by Itachi before he gained self-control from Kabuto)
2) Madara (and he didn't know about Shisui because Shisui was born AFTER Madara died. Also, Madara wouldn't care about him anyway)
3) Orochimaru (And he was sealed until just recently, only gained his arms after that ritual, and has no obvious reason (or opportunity away from Sasuke) to do it)
4) Kabuto (but why would Kabuto try to steal that eye from Naruto, if he had an Edo-Shisui around instead?)

IT IS NOT SHISUI. Not only is there no evidence to support it, but there's evidence directly AGAINST it.
 

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1.why would it be shisui for the last time he has no eyes and last time i check he had ninja shoes on am i correct
2.A uchiha ancestor so your saying older than madara i doubt it kishi is not going to right a new character
3.Unknown uchiha i highly doubt it obito,itachi,sasuke, and madara were the last uchiha
4. ITS KABUTO!!!!!:dafq:
^^^ This (period) ^^^

For those using the "bad chakra feeling" reason that Karin said, to escape from Izanami is to accept the self and accept reality, not turn over a new leaf and be good. So Kabuto's true self could be an evil person as long as he is true to himself and accept reality as it is. Also its been a while since Karin been around Kabuto so she may be unfamiliar with the chakra sense. Orochimaru cant sense who the man is so it cant even be said that Orochimaru dont recognize the person cuz he will have to actually see the person to know wether or not he knows them.

Kabuto is also one of the finest Medical Ninja so could definitely help Sasuke.. how will anyone else do the job?
 

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Dont forget that everyone thought it was too obvious for Tobi to be Obito so they cam up with all these other theories as to who is behind the mask. This is the same situation. Its Kabuto, get over it.
 

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^^^ This (period) ^^^

For those using the "bad chakra feeling" reason that Karin said, to escape from Izanami is to accept the self and accept reality, not turn over a new leaf and be good. So Kabuto's true self could be an evil person as long as he is true to himself and accept reality as it is. Also its been a while since Karin been around Kabuto so she may be unfamiliar with the chakra sense. Orochimaru cant sense who the man is so it cant even be said that Orochimaru dont recognize the person cuz he will have to actually see the person to know wether or not he knows them.

Kabuto is also one of the finest Medical Ninja so could definitely help Sasuke.. how will anyone else do the job?
If Kabuto's true self is evil then why would he help Sasuke? The only point of that panel is to foreshadow that something dangerous is approaching Sasuke. If anything Kabuto shouldn't be that thing. Kabuto was spared by Itachi and by Itachi he was able to find peace with himself, so he should feel grateful toward not only Itachi but his brother as well, thus karin should not have a bad feeling about him.

Dont forget that everyone thought it was too obvious for Tobi to be Obito so they cam up with all these other theories as to who is behind the mask. This is the same situation. Its Kabuto, get over it.
This is not the same situation. While Tobi was behind the mask, we got plenty of foreshadowing in the form of flashbacks to know it was going to be Obito. However, there were many threads (very creative and well thought out threads and others not so much) as to who it could be, but ultimately Obito was the obvious choice. However, we really don't have much information to on here. The only things we know for certain is that Karin has a bad feeling and the guy is barefoot.
 

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If Kabuto's true self is evil then why would he help Sasuke? The only point of that panel is to foreshadow that something dangerous is approaching Sasuke. If anything Kabuto shouldn't be that thing. Kabuto was spared by Itachi and by Itachi he was able to find peace with himself, so he should feel grateful toward not only Itachi but his brother as well, thus karin should not have a bad feeling about him.
"Evil" isn't a synonym for "dangerous", the writer made Karin say those specific words instead of using words like "dangerou"s for that reason, to avoid that confusion. As you may forget Karin cares for Sasuke, and is on her way to his aid when an unidentify person is standing over him as he is dying rapidly. She is a sensor type, she can identify any one on the battlefield, like good medics or comrades if they were to come to the rescue but this specific person she can't. SO OF COURSE by human nature she is worried which is why she "has a bad feeling".

EVEN IF we used your logic "it must be someone evil, since when shisui is an option? He is not even evil. He's a GOOD GUY. Introducing someone new as a new evil uchiha makes no sense and doesn't fit in way despite having no evidence supporting this.

This is not the same situation. While Tobi was behind the mask, we got plenty of foreshadowing in the form of flashbacks to know it was going to be Obito. However, there were many threads (very creative and well thought out threads and others not so much) as to who it could be, but ultimately Obito was the obvious choice. However, we really don't have much information to on here. The only things we know for certain is that Karin has a bad feeling and the guy is barefoot.
This is my point, when you have a character that can be either backed up by evidence either to prove the identify is or isn't that person, THERE IS EVIDENCE GIVEN. There is absolutely NO evidence backing up ANY other characters returning other than Kabuto regardless if you feel that there is evidence disproving it. Infact there is evidence DISPROVING the returning of other characters like shisui and zesty. Your post uses this logic:

Character A: Has evidence disproving it more that proving it debunked
Character B: Has evidence Proving it more than disproving, but since the all the supporting evidence can't be answer at this time debunked
Character C: Has little to no evidence to be proven but slightly more evidence to disprove it By canceling the first two it MUST be C

Conclusion: It is Kabuto. He is less far fetched, more recent, and doesn't add complexity and ambiguity as any other characters choices, and WAY More evidence proving it than disproving it. You asked "why would Kabuto turn good evil?" That is the point of a story in case you've forgot, if EVERYTHING was answered or can be easily guessed before the truth was reviled, the hype would be so exciting now wouldn't it?

OT: People asked "why would obito turn evil so it can't be tobi, because obito was good" but as the story progressed it answered it. Sounds funny right? You are doing the same to Kabuto. People sometimes tend to stray away from the obvious choice and created other "what ifs" in there own made up plot twists hoping it mirrors the imagination of the writers.
 
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Wtf man, enough of this stupid theory, Shuishi is dead, he's been irrelavant since never, and I highly doubt Kishi will introduce new Uchiha anchestor at this point.


The only logical explanation is Kabuto!
 
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Shisui is blind... "Might be Dead, but no body doesn't mean he's dead or alive".... Lets say he's alive... if you're blind.... Sage Mode and Barefoot are the ways to learn to replace your eyes.... With Sage Mode you can sense nature, and everything else.... and with his feet touching the grow he can sense where he's stepping. Shisui... is like "a Blind Prophet Per say" he has the same ideals as Naruto... and one of the most logical choice of saving Sasuke then Kabuto being on the good side.
 

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"Evil" isn't a synonym for "dangerous", the writer made Karin say those specific words instead of using words like "dangerou"s for that reason, to avoid that confusion. As you may forget Karin cares for Sasuke, and is on her way to his aid when an unidentify person is standing over him as he is dying rapidly. She is a sensor type, she can identify any one on the battlefield, like good medics or comrades if they were to come to the rescue but this specific person she can't. SO OF COURSE by human nature she is worried which is why she "has a bad feeling".

EVEN IF we used your logic "it must be someone evil, since when shisui is an option? He is not even evil. He's a GOOD GUY. Introducing someone new as a new evil uchiha makes no sense and doesn't fit in way despite having no evidence supporting this.
1. Look up the definition of foreshadowing. Also why would Kishi add suspense for no apparent reason?
2. Reread my thread. I have said that Shisui is a good guy, however, Uchiha might generally have a dark aura around them due to the nature of their power. See chapter 619 page 14.

This is my point, when you have a character that can be either backed up by evidence either to prove the identify is or isn't that person, THERE IS EVIDENCE GIVEN. There is absolutely NO evidence backing up ANY other characters returning other than Kabuto regardless if you feel that there is evidence disproving it. Infact there is evidence DISPROVING the returning of other characters like shisui and zesty. Your post uses this logic:

Character A: Has evidence disproving it more that proving it debunked
Character B: Has evidence Proving it more than disproving, but since the all the supporting evidence can't be answer at this time debunked
Character C: Has little to no evidence to be proven but slightly more evidence to disprove it By canceling the first two it MUST be C

Conclusion: It is Kabuto. He is less far fetched, more recent, and doesn't add complexity and ambiguity as any other characters choices, and WAY More evidence proving it than disproving it. You asked "why would Kabuto turn good evil?" That is the point of a story in case you've forgot, if EVERYTHING was answered or can be easily guessed before the truth was reviled, the hype would be so exciting now wouldn't it?

OT: People asked "why would obito turn evil so it can't be tobi, because obito was good" but as the story progressed it answered it. Sounds funny right? You are doing the same to Kabuto. People sometimes tend to stray away from the obvious choice and created other "what ifs" in there own made up plot twists hoping it mirrors the imagination of the writers.
Character A: Obviously if something has more evidence disproving it then it is most likely wrong. I cannot prove that the mysterious man is Kabuto, but I can suggest through extrapolation that it is not.

Character B:If something has no supporting evidence then there is nothing holding it up, therefore caution must be used. It does not mean that it is wrong, but rather unlikely because it has no support.

Character C:This is the exact same as Character A just worded differently. However, since you suggest that there is slightly more evidence to disprove it then proving it, it is a more logical choice than Character A. However since Character B has no supporting evidence to suggest it validity then it is nothing but a gut feeling.

For example: I have a gut feeling that I will win this hand in black jack. There may be no supporting evidence that I will win (assuming that I am not counting cards), but there is a possibility that I will win (evidence because you cannot deny the fact that there is a possibility to win). I cannot say for certain that I will win based off of a possibility alone without knowing the parameters and dimensions involved, therefore I cannot use a gut feeling as a basics for an argument. Thus it is weaker then A because A at least has supporting evidence, so then since C > A, therefore C > A > B.

"if EVERYTHING was answered or can be easily guessed before the truth was reviled, the hype would be so exciting now wouldn't it? "
My thoughts exactly. If can be so easily guessed that Kabuto is the mysterious man, then why go through all the trouble to add suspense and foreshadowing. Wouldn't be very exciting now would it?

You still haven't answered my question of why Kabuto would turn evil instead you pushed under the pretext of plot. Furthermore, the reason as to why Obito turned evil could be derived before he was revealed to be the masked man using the variables: x (kakashi regularly visited a grave) and y (Obito told Kakashi not to let Rin die).

"Evil" isn't a synonym for "dangerous"

You are right, evil is not a synonym for dangerous, but if something is evil you can imply that it is dangerous.
For example: I sense and evil aura coming from the stone. One can imply that the stone is dangerous since it is giving off an evil aura.
 
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1. Look up the definition of foreshadowing. Also why would Kishi add suspense for no apparent reason?
2. Reread my thread. I have said that Shisui is a good guy, however, Uchiha might generally have a dark aura around them due to the nature of their power. See chapter 619 page 14.



Character A: Obviously if something has more evidence disproving it then it is most likely wrong. I cannot prove that the mysterious man is Kabuto, but I can suggest through extrapolation that it is not.

Character B:If something has no supporting evidence then there is nothing holding it up, therefore caution must be used. It does not mean that it is wrong, but rather unlikely because it has no support.

Character C:This is the exact same as Character A just worded differently. However, since you suggest that there is slightly more evidence to disprove it then proving it, it is a more logical choice than Character A. However since Character B has no supporting evidence to suggest it validity then it is nothing but a gut feeling.

For example: I have a gut feeling that I will win this hand in black jack. There may be no supporting evidence that I will win (assuming that I am not counting cards), but there is a possibility that I will win (evidence because you cannot deny the fact that there is a possibility to win). I cannot say for certain that I will win based off of a possibility alone without knowing the parameters and dimensions involved, therefore I cannot use a gut feeling as a basics for an argument. Thus it is weaker then A because A at least has supporting evidence, so then since C > A, therefore C > A > B.

"if EVERYTHING was answered or can be easily guessed before the truth was reviled, the hype would be so exciting now wouldn't it? "
My thoughts exactly. If can be so easily guessed that Kabuto is the mysterious man, then why go through all the trouble to add suspense and foreshadowing. Wouldn't be very exciting now would it?

You still haven't answered my question of why Kabuto would turn evil instead you pushed under the pretext of plot. Furthermore, the reason as to why Obito turned evil could be derived before he was revealed to be the masked man using the variables: x (kakashi regularly visited a grave) and y (Obito told Kakashi not to let Rin die).

"Evil" isn't a synonym for "dangerous"

You are right, evil is not a synonym for dangerous, but if something is evil you can imply that it is dangerous.
For example: I sense and evil aura coming from the stone. One can imply that the stone is dangerous since it is giving off an evil aura.
Isn't the same thing to Tobi reveal why there are so much mystery and too much foreshadowing building up suspense, when people speculated the most unpredictable choice to be Izuna or Shisue yet the most predictable choice turn out to be Obito...

It's obviously Kabuto Deal with It!!
 
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