[Theory] Rikūdo Sennin's Master Plan

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

SDP, you always have a unique way of blowing people's minds.

I think you've correctly identified Kishimoto's inspiration, here - but it is hit or miss as to whether or not he is going to follow through with inspirational lore in a sensible way.

Many of us believed Gaara would not be heading to the Fourth (because there was every bit of evidence that suggested sealing a beast back into Naruto wouldn't save him, the distances now involved, etc). It seemed a very solid bet (kind of like how we thought Naruto might not be able to shadow-clone spam in beast cloaked mode).

Then ... well ...

So, at this point, while I think you've identified the inspiration brilliantly - I am getting the feeling that the plot will develop outside of logic from here on.

Perhaps this is my insistence upon involving Hinata in everything... but it makes me wonder if Hinata might end up being the reincarnation of Kaguya as Naruto is the reincarnation of the Sage. Some kind of a tangent off of Taoism, perhaps.

Perhaps it will be as literal as Naruto and Sasuke die only to be reborn by the flower as one being.

Thus completing the 'fusion dance' ...... at which point, I will have to scour the U.S. to find one of my old room mates and tell him he was right.

Thank you sir, I have spoken with a friend who is a Buddhist expert who also happens to read Naruto and this is what he said:

He and his mom are actually the perfect example of karma... as long as the power is not given back... the suffering will go on. Someone else will only abuse it. So Naruto either way has to make friends with the Juubi, or it will repeat itself. This curse of hatred was inherited as well from the Juubi. Man should just give the fruit back and find peace by itself. Maybe Naruto will offer it. To me it's only logical... what else? after Naruto, history would repeat itself otherwise...

By Fruit, I think he meant Chakra in general, Naruto offering Jūbi to give all of humanity's Chakra back to the God Tree, because Naruto and the Shinobi World are substantially no different from Madara, they are all following the Outer Path by using powers that don't belong to them, the only difference with Madara is the degree in which he uses that power to the extreme to achieve "peace" Kaguya was the first to follow the Outer Path by taking the fruits power to win her war, ultimately she was cursed, his Son tried to establish peace by teaching Ninshū to humanity but ultimately it lead to bloodier wars (as Madara stated) and I think what Madars said was true "Ever since man consumed that fruit, man was destined to fight and hate each other even more" it is the Karma of using stolen powers (Outer Path) If Naruto is able to come with an agreement with the Jūbi to spare humanity in exchange for returning all chakra back to it, then the karmic cycle of suffering will finally end, Naruto will also have to say farewell to the Bijūs for they will also return from their source, man is now free from the curse, and can try to find and sow peace relying on their own powers, the Inner Path to enlightenment.

As for Hinata, it is my firm belief that Naruto and Hinata are Anima and Animus (Jungian Archetypes)

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Hinata's Animus perfectly compliments Naruto's Anima as shown many times in the Manga (protecting Naruto from Pain, helping Naruto overcome his doubt when Neji died) in the new world that is about to be ushered after this war, Hinata will be the pillar of strength of Naruto, that I believe.

 

[Aim64C]

Thank you sir, I have spoken with a friend who is a Buddhist expert who also happens to read Naruto and this is what he said:



By Fruit, I think he meant Chakra in general, Naruto offering Jūbi to give all of humanity's Chakra back to the God Tree, because Naruto and the Shinobi World are substantially no different from Madara, they are all following the Outer Path by using powers that don't belong to them, the only difference with Madara is the degree in which he uses that power to the extreme to achieve "peace" Kaguya was the first to follow the Outer Path by taking the fruits power to win her war, ultimately she was cursed, his Son tried to establish peace by teaching Ninshū to humanity but ultimately it lead to bloodier wars (as Madara stated) and I think what Madars said was true "Ever since man consumed that fruit, man was destined to fight and hate each other even more" it is the Karma of using stolen powers (Outer Path) If Naruto is able to come with an agreement with the Jūbi to spare humanity in exchange for returning all chakra back to it, then the karmic cycle of suffering will finally end, Naruto will also have to say farewell to the Bijūs for they will also return from their source, man is now free from the curse, and can try to find and sow peace relying on their own powers, the Inner Path to enlightenment.

As for Hinata, it is my firm belief that Naruto and Hinata are Anima and Animus (Jungian Archetypes)

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Hinata's Animus perfectly compliments Naruto's Anima as shown many times in the Manga (protecting Naruto from Pain, helping Naruto overcome his doubt when Neji died) in the new world that is about to be ushered after this war, Hinata will be the pillar of strength of Naruto, that I believe.

That sounds reasonable, as the world Naruto seeks is a world where Shinobi are unnecessary.

Which would transition well toward the Taoist theme of the Hyuuga. Taoism is to do what must be done harmoniously with the universe as opposed to overtly and disruptively accomplishing tasks.

Perhaps that is why Hyuuga are not depicted using standard ninjutsu...

 

[Aim64C]

To follow up on my last statement...

The Hyuuga may fit into the picture by virtue of their seeming rejection of ninjutsu and abnormal use (or lack thereof) of chakra (it still isn't entirely sure whether or not they use chakra in the same way that ninja do). The Taoist would recognize chakra as a very volatile power and ability. The Gentle Fist is the art of Wei Wu Wei - and the Byakugan represents the awareness a Taoist Master is said to have of the world around him.

Perhaps the clan's teachings include the origin of chakra and the inherent sin/evil that comes from relying upon it, and perhaps (similar to how the Juubi is theorized to have altered the Sage), the chakra they inherited manifested as the Byakugan - or perhaps they are descendants of the Elder Son who rejected the seeking of power, and the quest for power (Uchiha) and harmony (Hyuuga) affected the hereditary development of their ocular powers, respectively.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That sounds reasonable, as the world Naruto seeks is a world where Shinobi are unnecessary.

Which would transition well toward the Taoist theme of the Hyuuga. Taoism is to do what must be done harmoniously with the universe as opposed to overtly and disruptively accomplishing tasks.

Perhaps that is why Hyuuga are not depicted using standard ninjutsu...

Yes, Yin and Yang in the truest sense of Taoism, are not really opposing forces, but complimentary ones to achieve balance.

I remember Sir your thread saying the Rinnegan is a mistake, because it is, The Sage tried his best to use that Outer Path power to establish peace by teaching Ninshu, but I think he ultimately realized that it is in vain, for man used Ninshu not for peace, but to further fuel the flames of war, man cannot escape the curse of hatred unless their stolen powers are returned to its rightful owner.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

very nice + rep

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

very nice + rep

Thank you.

 

[adeshina365]

Interesting theory.

 

[Jobrjo]

Alright, I've had enough of it. When are you gonna take Kishimoto's place already?!?

 

[grenwood]

A Clear sign of his Asian heritage, Sir Derp doesnt say much, unless its worth saying.

how do you know hes asian or that he actaully has asian heritage. he lives the united states so even if he is asian the only way you can know for sure that he has asian heritage is if he in his own lifetime or his parents lifetime at the earliest moved from an asian country to the U.S. and ive met plenty of extremely talkative asians here in the U.S. even if he is asian if it was his grandparents generation or earlier that his family moved to the U.S. then its likely that hes far more american than he is asian as far as culture and heritage goes.


OT: i like your theory derp but i dont think freeing his mother has anything to do with his intentions. i think she will be freed when the juubi gets befriended, but the sage wasnt selfish. he wouldnt even consider putting the world at risk just to free his mother and the freedom of his mother wouldnt even cross his mind when thinking about the possible desctruction or redemtion of the world. 100 percent of his mind would be thinking about world peace and the freedom of his mom would just be a plus. if he was even remotely thinking about his mother when doing something as risky as planning the revival and foregiveness of the juubi then i think thatd mean that everything we thought we new about him was wrong. and no planning the revival of the juubi alone doesnt necesarily mean what we knew about him was wrong.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

how do you know hes asian or that he actaully has asian heritage. he lives the united states so even if he is asian the only way you can know for sure that he has asian heritage is if he in his own lifetime or his parents lifetime at the earliest moved from an asian country to the U.S. and ive met plenty of extremely talkative asians here in the U.S. even if he is asian if it was his grandparents generation or earlier that his family moved to the U.S. then its likely that hes far more american than he is asian as far as culture and heritage goes.


OT: i like your theory derp but i dont think freeing his mother has anything to do with his intentions. i think she will be freed when the juubi gets befriended, but the sage wasnt selfish. he wouldnt even consider putting the world at risk just to free his mother and the freedom of his mother wouldnt even cross his mind when thinking about the possible desctruction or redemtion of the world. 100 percent of his mind would be thinking about world peace and the freedom of his mom would just be a plus. if he was even remotely thinking about his mother when doing something as risky as planning the revival and foregiveness of the juubi then i think thatd mean that everything we thought we new about him was wrong. and no planning the revival of the juubi alone doesnt necesarily mean what we knew about him was wrong.

Kaguya and Hagoromo are perfect examples of Karma, no matter how good their intentions were, the fact that they stole powers that do not rightfully belong to them have lead to there plans to have gone awry, Kaguya stole the fruit, tried to bring peace, but the Shinju came to life as the Juubi and wrecked havoc in the world, Hagoromo sealed the Juubi and became its Jinchuuriki, tried to establish peace by teaching humanity the ways of Ninshu, but nothing changed, subsequent wars became bloodier (as Madara said) it is the curse of the Outer Path, the Shinobi World are substantially no different than Madara, they're all using stolen powers, the only difference is the degree in which Madara is using that Outer Path power by basically becoming a god to bring illusory peace to the world.

You could say that Kaguya is Eve and the original sin of stolen power were inherited by Shinobis, both are inexorably tied to one another with the Karma that came with it, if the Shinobi World is to be redeemed then Kaguya will also be redeemed, so we cannot say that the Sage is doing this primarily for his mother while saving humanity only comes second ,or, the other way around that saving the world is the primary intention while Kaguya only comes second, there is no precedence of one over the other, because they are mutually intertwined.

 

[AlphaSeed]

hope .....nice thread ....i missed you derpobito lol

"He and his mom are actually the perfect example of karma... as long as the power is not given back... the suffering will go on. Someone else will only abuse it. So Naruto either way has to make friends with the Juubi, or it will repeat itself. This curse of hatred was inherited as well from the Juubi. Man should just give the fruit back and find peace by itself. Maybe Naruto will offer it. To me it's only logical... what else? after Naruto, history would repeat itself otherwise..."

this is beautiful! this is naruto!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

hope .....nice thread ....i missed you derpobito lol

"He and his mom are actually the perfect example of karma... as long as the power is not given back... the suffering will go on. Someone else will only abuse it. So Naruto either way has to make friends with the Juubi, or it will repeat itself. This curse of hatred was inherited as well from the Juubi. Man should just give the fruit back and find peace by itself. Maybe Naruto will offer it. To me it's only logical... what else? after Naruto, history would repeat itself otherwise..."

this is beautiful! this is naruto!

Yes, and thinking about it, that would make a good reason to make Sasuke Hokage, in the dawn of the new world, Naruto must travel preaching the new gospel of the Inner Path to peace, leaving Konoha in Sasuke's care. *_*

 

[Element Master]

Great Theory as always

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

how do you know hes asian or that he actaully has asian heritage. he lives the united states so even if he is asian the only way you can know for sure that he has asian heritage is if he in his own lifetime or his parents lifetime at the earliest moved from an asian country to the U.S. and ive met plenty of extremely talkative asians here in the U.S. even if he is asian if it was his grandparents generation or earlier that his family moved to the U.S. then its likely that hes far more american than he is asian as far as culture and heritage goes.
OT: i like your theory derp but i dont think freeing his mother has anything to do with his intentions. i think she will be freed when the juubi gets befriended, but the sage wasnt selfish. he wouldnt even consider putting the world at risk just to free his mother and the freedom of his mother wouldnt even cross his mind when thinking about the possible desctruction or redemtion of the world. 100 percent of his mind would be thinking about world peace and the freedom of his mom would just be a plus. if he was even remotely thinking about his mother when doing something as risky as planning the revival and foregiveness of the juubi then i think thatd mean that everything we thought we new about him was wrong. and no planning the revival of the juubi alone doesnt necesarily mean what we knew about him was wrong.

Because friends tend to know oneanother.

There is no such thing as American, its the universal land of all nations, hes nation being phillippines.

he lived and graduated college in the Philippines

 

[Kαmi]

Great read, I loved it, it comes together beautifully and really justifies why the Sage would leave what seems to be such a dangerous tablet with the Elder son. My only question is, just how will Naruto and the gang go about befriending the Juubi? How will the Juubi forgive mankind for the sins it has taken against God? Of course with Naruto along, it's bound to happen but I'm very curious as to how it will happen.

Great theory Derp, worth the read for sure.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

There is no other way, man must return Chakra to the Shinjū

 

[ANONNEWBIE]

So it is possible at the end of story there wont be any chakra left in NV!!

 

[nite]

or even the god tree was once a heavenly being but got cast down as a tree and was trying to go back home to spirit realm and needed the fruit. like u said back story of tree itself. this would be a cool turn of events sorta would remind me of chrono cross for PS .

nice theory

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

So it is possible at the end of story there wont be any chakra left in NV!!

The root of all the problems in the Shinobi World is Chakra It is a stolen power, an Outer Path power which is the antithesis of the Inner Path to enlightenment, as long as humanity is tainted with Kaguya's original sin of stealing Chakra, they will never be free from the Wheel of Karma.

The irony in Madara's resolve is that while he opts to create an Illusory World without the "abominable chakra" he will still be using that stolen power of Chakra to fuel is Dream World, and that is why he will fail.

Speaking with a Buddhist friend, he told me this:

The first karmic action is the altered birth of the sage. He willingly did an even worse karmic action... he sealed the karmic action resulting from his mom's theft and sin.

He even went to extends of leaving it to others...

Not too good for karma...and that's why it all continued...

It will never end until Chakra is returned to its owner: The Shinju​

 

[Mr Hiru]

Yes, Yin and Yang in the truest sense of Taoism, are not really opposing forces, but complimentary ones to achieve balance.

I remember Sir your thread saying the Rinnegan is a mistake, because it is, The Sage tried his best to use that Outer Path power to establish peace by teaching Ninshu, but I think he ultimately realized that it is in vain, for man used Ninshu not for peace, but to further fuel the flames of war, man cannot escape the curse of hatred unless their stolen powers are returned to its rightful owner.

Also, it is impossible to separate Yin from Yang. The Yin and Yang is a dual concept.

Talking about Yin and Yang as separated things is like trying to solve a paradox... impossible.

I have the feeling that Kishimoto tried to bring that scheme into Naruto as we percieve it right now.